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Reply #30 - Nov 16^th, 2016 at 10:23pm

Karnal wrote on Nov 16^th, 2016 at 8:40pm:

Gordon wrote on Nov 16^th, 2016 at 8:14pm:

Wow did anyone's watch 730rpt?

I did. The thesis was that the imams are going for the governor because he's an anti-corruption crusader. They paid the protesters 50,000 rupiah to go to FD's demo.

Islam or corruption? Corruption or Islam?

Questions questions.

"Protester" who was paid ~US $20 to attend November 4 rally admits he will vote for Ahok.

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Reply #31 - Nov 16^th, 2016 at 10:37pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 16^th, 2016 at 10:23pm:

Karnal wrote on Nov 16^th, 2016 at 8:40pm:

Gordon wrote on Nov 16^th, 2016 at 8:14pm:

Wow did anyone's watch 730rpt?

I did. The thesis was that the imams are going for the governor because he's an anti-corruption crusader. They paid the protesters 50,000 rupiah to go to FD's demo.

Islam or corruption? Corruption or Islam?

Questions questions.

"Protester" who was paid ~US $20 to attend November 4 rally admits he will vote for Ahok.

Oooh and how many of the 200,000 would we say are paid? Where are the pro ahok rallies, from the Muslim majority?

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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 95304 Gender:	Re: Jakarta Governor questioned by police Reply #32 - Nov 16^th, 2016 at 10:43pm What's the matter, Alevine? Cat got your tongue?
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Reply #33 - Nov 16^th, 2016 at 10:49pm

Karnal wrote on Nov 16^th, 2016 at 10:43pm:

What's the matter, Alevine? Cat got your tongue?

About what? The fact that polls went from 60% for ahok to 25%? Or the fact that blasphemy is an actual law in Indonesia? Or the fact that Indonesian Muslim majority actually cares about blasphemy and demands punishment for it? Or the fact as usual the Islamic brainwashing is so big that people don't even know what blasphemy actually is, and constitute it to be anything that refers to the mere mention of the Koran?

Islam is so wonderful. Just ask anyone in the blessed secular state of Indonesia.

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Reply #35 - Nov 17^th, 2016 at 6:38am

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Nov 16^th, 2016 at 10:49pm:

About what? The fact that polls went from 60% for ahok to 25%? Or the fact that blasphemy is an actual law in Indonesia? Or the fact that Indonesian Muslim majority actually cares about blasphemy and demands punishment for it? Or the fact as usual the Islamic brainwashing is so big that people don't even know what blasphemy actually is, and constitute it to be anything that refers to the mere mention of the Koran?

Yes K, you listen to alevine spin that BS about how blasphemy caused his drop in the polls - but just ignore the part about his poll numbers being almost the same as they are now before any blasphemy came up.

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A survey last month by pollster Lingkaran Survei Indonesia (LSI), taken before the protest, showed his support at 31 per cent.

http://www.straitstimes.com/asia/se-asia/fall-in-support-for-jakarta-governor

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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 95304 Gender:	Re: Jakarta Governor questioned by police Reply #36 - Nov 17^th, 2016 at 9:43am sir prince duke alevine wrote on Nov 16^th, 2016 at 10:49pm: Karnal wrote on Nov 16^th, 2016 at 10:43pm: What's the matter, Alevine? Cat got your tongue? About what? About whether you blame Islam or you want to see an Islamic reformation? I'm curious.
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Reply #37 - Nov 17^th, 2016 at 10:37am

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 16^th, 2016 at 10:23pm:

Karnal wrote on Nov 16^th, 2016 at 8:40pm:

Gordon wrote on Nov 16^th, 2016 at 8:14pm:

Wow did anyone's watch 730rpt?

I did. The thesis was that the imams are going for the governor because he's an anti-corruption crusader. They paid the protesters 50,000 rupiah to go to FD's demo.

Islam or corruption? Corruption or Islam?

Questions questions.

"Protester" who was paid ~US $20 to attend November 4 rally admits he will vote for Ahok.

Who to believe, who to believe.....

Abu Jibril, the leader of Majelis Mujahidin, a radical Islamic group which played a key role in the protest, said Ahok should be sued over his comments that protesters were paid.

"God said that infidels are liars, infidels are hypocrites and liars. If Ahok really said that he can be sued," Mr Jibril said.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-11-16/jakarta-governor-suspect-in-blasphemy-case...

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Reply #38 - Nov 17^th, 2016 at 12:38pm

Gordon wrote on Nov 17^th, 2016 at 10:37am:

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 16^th, 2016 at 10:23pm:

Karnal wrote on Nov 16^th, 2016 at 8:40pm:

Gordon wrote on Nov 16^th, 2016 at 8:14pm:

Wow did anyone's watch 730rpt?

I did. The thesis was that the imams are going for the governor because he's an anti-corruption crusader. They paid the protesters 50,000 rupiah to go to FD's demo.

Islam or corruption? Corruption or Islam?

Questions questions.

"Protester" who was paid ~US $20 to attend November 4 rally admits he will vote for Ahok.

Who to believe, who to believe.....

Abu Jibril, the leader of Majelis Mujahidin, a radical Islamic group which played a key role in the protest, said Ahok should be sued over his comments that protesters were paid.

"God said that infidels are liars, infidels are hypocrites and liars. If Ahok really said that he can be sued," Mr Jibril said.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-11-16/jakarta-governor-suspect-in-blasphemy-case...

Sounds like the brainwashing John was trying to blame this all on, in yet another of his ridiculous attempts to divert the blame away from Islam.

John Smith wrote on Nov 16^th, 2016 at 8:33pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Nov 16^th, 2016 at 8:27pm:

Ok and where has their dickheadeness come from?

it comes from their stupidity and brainwashing .. it's easy to try and blame the koran, but that's a cop out.
I'm not sure if you noticed it or not but there are millions upon millions of muslims that read the same Koran, that don't resort to violence ...

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People who can't distinguish between etymology and entomology bug me in ways I cannot put into words.

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Reply #39 - Nov 17^th, 2016 at 3:25pm

Gordon wrote on Nov 17^th, 2016 at 10:37am:

Who to believe, who to believe.....

Abu Jibril, the leader of Majelis Mujahidin, a radical Islamic group which played a key role in the protest, said Ahok should be sued over his comments that protesters were paid.

"God said that infidels are liars, infidels are hypocrites and liars. If Ahok really said that he can be sued," Mr Jibril said.

And as Yadda never tires of reminding us - muslims have a religious duty to lie and deceive the infidel. He'll even cite you the ahadith and verses that command this.

who to believe indeed eh.

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Re: Jakarta Governor questioned by police
Reply #40 - Nov 17^th, 2016 at 3:30pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 17^th, 2016 at 3:25pm:

Gordon wrote on Nov 17^th, 2016 at 10:37am:

Who to believe, who to believe.....

Abu Jibril, the leader of Majelis Mujahidin, a radical Islamic group which played a key role in the protest, said Ahok should be sued over his comments that protesters were paid.

"God said that infidels are liars, infidels are hypocrites and liars. If Ahok really said that he can be sued," Mr Jibril said.

And as Yadda never tires of reminding us - muslims have a religious duty to lie and deceive the infidel. He'll even cite you the ahadith and verses that command this.

who to believe indeed eh.

I think we all get there is a political component at work here, but this strategy would be a non starter if it were not for the depth of religious nutjobs prepared to run with it. It was the Imams who started the ball rolling.

Maybe if he wasn't a Christian they could have just accused him of buggery, Anwar style?

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Reply #41 - Nov 17^th, 2016 at 3:47pm

Gordon, if Ahok gets elected in February in an overwhelmingly muslim city - as he is widely tipped to be - would you be so bold to acknowledge it as mainstream, tolerant and secular Indonesian Islam triumphing over a small, but noisy fringe element - and refusing to cower to its bullying?

I know its too much to ask of FD.

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Reply #42 - Nov 17^th, 2016 at 3:50pm

freediver wrote on Nov 17^th, 2016 at 12:38pm:

in yet another of his ridiculous attempts to divert the blame away from Islam.

I haven't tried to divert anything. I'm just not simple enough to think 'it's the book' is the answer to every wrong.

You keep up the good work though, you're doing a great job of getting it wrong

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Our esteemed leader:
I hope that bitch who was running their brothels for them gets raped with a cactus.

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Reply #43 - Nov 17^th, 2016 at 4:11pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 17^th, 2016 at 3:47pm:

Gordon, if Ahok gets elected in February in an overwhelmingly muslim city - as he is widely tipped to be - would you be so bold to acknowledge it as mainstream, tolerant and secular Indonesian Islam triumphing over a small, but noisy fringe element - and refusing to cower to its bullying?

I know its too much to ask of FD.

To an extent as It's a Jakarta election right.
No doubt Jakarta is way more moderate than other areas.

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Reply #44 - Nov 17^th, 2016 at 5:13pm

Gordon wrote on Nov 17^th, 2016 at 4:11pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 17^th, 2016 at 3:47pm:

Gordon, if Ahok gets elected in February in an overwhelmingly muslim city - as he is widely tipped to be - would you be so bold to acknowledge it as mainstream, tolerant and secular Indonesian Islam triumphing over a small, but noisy fringe element - and refusing to cower to its bullying?

I know its too much to ask of FD.

To an extent as It's a Jakarta election right.
No doubt Jakarta is way more moderate than other areas.

Baby steps Gordon, baby steps. Once we're satisfied with Jakarta we can then move on to wider Indonesia and look at how nationally, Islamists are overwhelmingly rejected at the ballot box.

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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