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Karnal wrote on Nov 19 th, 2016 at 6:02pm: Gordon wrote on Nov 19 th, 2016 at 1:33pm: Karnal wrote on Nov 19 th, 2016 at 1:03pm: Gordon wrote on Nov 19 th, 2016 at 12:29pm: Karnal wrote on Nov 19 th, 2016 at 12:18pm: Gordon wrote on Nov 19 th, 2016 at 10:52am: Karnal wrote on Nov 18 th, 2016 at 10:34pm: Gordon wrote on Nov 18 th, 2016 at 10:21pm: Karnal wrote on Nov 18 th, 2016 at 9:06pm: Gordon wrote on Nov 18 th, 2016 at 8:26pm: Pres Joko has warned this issue could tear Indonesia apart. Re ABCTV news I'll let you in on a secret, dear. Indonesia is already torn apart. It's the job of the governors and presidents and military to keep such a vast, multicultural archipelago together. Civilisation is a thin veneer, no? A thin veneer of democracy over an Islamic theocracy? Yuck. Oh, indeed, Islamic, Hindu, Christian, Animist, all. Miam miam, no? Some systems see more happy to defer to secular democracy. All things aren't equal. Which ones, Gordon? We'll compare and contrast, shall we? Fiji Zimbabwe Tibet The Cocos Islands French Guyana Indonesia Which Muslims country has the most robust secular democracy, apart from Indonesia which is about to behead a governor for blasphemy  Is that a multiple choice? Choose what you want, just don't choose Islam because that's the path away from democracy. Anything that's good about Indonesia is because of it's leaning towards western democracy and away from Islamic theocracy. Well, then you need to put your question like this: Apart from Indonesia, which is about to behead someone for blasphemy, which Muslim country has the most robust secular democracy? A. Malaysia B. Turkey C. Pakistan D. Islam Top of the list is Malaysia. Nice. One of their states recently passed a law for the death penalty for apostasy. I stumbled across this interesting fact after watching Gandalf and the apologists offer pages and pages of excuses for why the polls showing the majority of Malaysian muslims supporting this punishment somehow doesn't reflect their true desires. Frank wrote on Nov 19 th, 2016 at 6:22pm: Karnal, John Smith, Gandalf are relexively taking the Muslims' side in this. I bet they do not evn know what the Governor said that sent the Muslims apesh!t because if they did they ouldn't side with the Muslims - unless they are themselves Muslims which is the case with Gandalf. The other two are just useless idiots. Here's what the governor said: What I said to the local people of Thousand Islands is that if you are fooled by racists and cowards using that verse in the Quran not to vote for me, then don't vote for me," he said on Friday as reported by kompas.com. He mentioned the al-Maidah verse because the verse is often used by his political opponents to encourage people not to vote for him. Ahok’s opponents have used this line of attack against him since he started his political career in East Belitung in 2003. "There is nothing wrong with the verses in the Quran. It was not the context [of my speech]," Ahok added. His comments were met with protest by several parties. http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2016/10/07/ahok-denies-he-insulted-the-quran....Non-Muslims guy spoke sensibly about how to read the Koran - must be apesh!t time, Muslims!!!!!!!! The interesting thing is that his PC spin on Islam is pretty much identical to Gandalfs. Muslims respond with enourmous violent protests and calls for his head. Gandalf's response is to pretend it is not happening and that the full frontal assault on freedom of speech won't actually affect freedom of speech in Indonesia. I wonder when Gandalf would choose to acknowledge the obvious? Even is his own head was on the chopping block for promoting the wrong version of Islam he would still be apologising for them.
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