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Reply #45 - Nov 16th, 2016 at 10:44pm
 
Polls plunge for ahok from 60% to 25% because of blasphemy. Gee, everyone must've received 20 bucks.
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Disclaimer for Mothra per POST so it is forever acknowledged: Saying 'Islam' or 'Muslims' doesn't mean ALL muslims. This does not target individual muslims who's opinion I am not aware of.
 
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Reply #46 - Nov 17th, 2016 at 6:20am
 
sir prince duke alevine wrote on Nov 16th, 2016 at 10:38pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 16th, 2016 at 10:00pm:
Are we allowed to blame money and corruption?

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Ahok accused his critics of corruption and said the mass protest of hardline Muslims on November 4 was politically motivated, with protestors receiving 500,000 Rupiah to attend.


No? Ok then, must be Islam then...

All 200,000?  Was there an advert for signing up? I must've missed it. 


wow, the attendance suddenly just doubled.
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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.
 
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Reply #47 - Nov 17th, 2016 at 6:33am
 
sir prince duke alevine wrote on Nov 16th, 2016 at 10:44pm:
Polls plunge for ahok from 60% to 25% because of blasphemy. Gee, everyone must've received 20 bucks.


Never mind alevine, we won't let small things like facts get in the way of this meme eh?

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A survey last month by pollster Lingkaran Survei Indonesia (LSI), taken before the protest, showed his support at 31 per cent.


http://www.straitstimes.com/asia/se-asia/fall-in-support-for-jakarta-governor

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.
 
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Reply #48 - Nov 17th, 2016 at 7:23am
 
sir prince duke alevine wrote on Nov 16th, 2016 at 10:38pm:
All 200,000?  Was there an advert for signing up? I must've missed it. 


you've missed lots of things.

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Reply #49 - Nov 17th, 2016 at 8:39am
 


Indonesia

http://www.jihadwatch.org/category/indonesia





QUESTION;

Is it safe to be a non-moslem in a country where it isn't safe to make a public comment about what moslems believe ?

And if not, why not ?



QUESTION;
Why do moslems living in Australia, choose to follow ISLAM [i.e. why do moslems see no fault in ISLAM],      .....when ISLAM is a 'faith' which demands that all of its followers must practice violent religious bigotry, as an act of faith ?




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"O ye who believe! take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends and protectors: They are but friends and protectors to each other. And he amongst you that turns to them (for friendship) is of them.
Verily Allah guideth not a people unjust. "
Koran 5.51


"There is for you an excellent example (to follow) in Abraham and those with him, when they said to their people: "We are clear of you and of whatever ye worship besides Allah: we have rejected you, and there has arisen, between us and you, enmity and hatred for ever,- unless ye believe in Allah and Him alone"....."
Koran 60:4




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Jihad


IMAGE....
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'Aussie' EX-moslem, Mohamed Elomar, doing 'good works' in Syria/Iraq.



Quote:

'Whosoever dies without participating in an expedition (jihad) nor having the intention to do so, dies on a branch of hypocrisy,'


- 'Aussie' EX-moslem, Mohamed Elomar, quoting ISLAMIC scripture.



Google;
"Allah's Messenger said" "Whosoever dies without participating"



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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31
 
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Re: Religiously tolerant Indonesia
Reply #50 - Nov 17th, 2016 at 12:33pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 16th, 2016 at 10:00pm:
Are we allowed to blame money and corruption?

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Ahok accused his critics of corruption and said the mass protest of hardline Muslims on November 4 was politically motivated, with protestors receiving 500,000 Rupiah to attend.


No? Ok then, must be Islam then...


False dichotomy. Let's see, how about the Halal certification rorts? The Islamic schools rorts? All that money being siphoned off to IS? It goes all the way back to Muhammed with the Jizya, Muhammed's highway robbery, the ongoing rape and pillage festivals. When has Islam ever not been about the money? Only when it was about collecting women.
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Re: Religiously tolerant Indonesia
Reply #51 - Nov 17th, 2016 at 3:19pm
 
freediver wrote on Nov 17th, 2016 at 12:33pm:
False dichotomy.


Not at all. You previously described the protest as 150 thousand Quranic-inspired fanatics calling for him to be executed. Those other examples you have similarly tried your hardest to frame them as the workings of religious fanatics. Muslims rort people and steal money, not because they are simply greedy human beings - but because they are devout muslims, fanatically following the example of their prophet. You said it yourself - AFIC didn't merely steal government school money - they stole it so they could send it to terrorists. Means to an end stuff. Thats the musselman in FD world - criminals who are not merely criminals who happen to be muslim - but who are criminals because they're muslim.

And yet if the allegations are true in this case, we have 10s of thousands of people turning up because they were paid and got a free meal. There's even one guy who admitted to being an Ahok supporter. Rent-a-crowds are not uncommon in Indonesia - in fact they're famous for them. How are you going to spin this to fit in with your  meme of religious fanatics FD? Let me guess - they took the money so they could donate it to terrorists? But wait - they're receiving the money from the terrorists in the first place, so how does that work?
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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.
 
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Reply #52 - Nov 17th, 2016 at 7:36pm
 
Karnal wrote on Nov 16th, 2016 at 9:35pm:
sir prince duke alevine wrote on Nov 16th, 2016 at 9:15pm:
freediver wrote on Nov 16th, 2016 at 9:04pm:
John Smith wrote on Nov 16th, 2016 at 8:33pm:
sir prince duke alevine wrote on Nov 16th, 2016 at 8:27pm:
Ok and where has their dickheadeness come from?



it comes from their stupidity and brainwashing .. it's easy to try and blame the koran, but that's a cop out.
I'm not sure if you noticed it or not but there are millions upon millions of muslims that read the same Koran, that don't resort to violence  ...


Where does the brainwashing come from John?

Surely not Islam?  Shocked

Wink


Do you blame Islam?


Oh look, you've gone.

Shurely shome mishtake, no?
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Reply #53 - Nov 17th, 2016 at 7:40pm
 
freediver wrote on Nov 17th, 2016 at 12:33pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 16th, 2016 at 10:00pm:
Are we allowed to blame money and corruption?

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Ahok accused his critics of corruption and said the mass protest of hardline Muslims on November 4 was politically motivated, with protestors receiving 500,000 Rupiah to attend.


No? Ok then, must be Islam then...


False dichotomy. Let's see, how about the Halal certification rorts? The Islamic schools rorts? All that money being siphoned off to IS? It goes all the way back to Muhammed with the Jizya, Muhammed's highway robbery, the ongoing rape and pillage festivals. When has Islam ever not been about the money? Only when it was about collecting women.


No no, FD, not only is Islam about corruption, terrorism and sex slavery, it's also about porkies.

Do you concur?
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Reply #54 - Nov 17th, 2016 at 7:45pm
 
freediver wrote on Nov 17th, 2016 at 12:33pm:
False dichotomy..


you excel at them
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Reply #55 - Nov 17th, 2016 at 7:52pm
 
John Smith wrote on Nov 17th, 2016 at 7:45pm:
freediver wrote on Nov 17th, 2016 at 12:33pm:
False dichotomy..


you excel at them


Now now, FD only refuses to rule out the use of porkies in his campaign against the Muselman. I'd ask if he refuses to rule them out in all other topics, but FD never posts on other topics.

He has a lot to say about sustainable fishing and carbon taxes, but for some reason FD prefers to talk about Indonesian blasphemy laws.

Freeeedom, innit.
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Re: Religiously tolerant Indonesia
Reply #56 - Nov 17th, 2016 at 8:19pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 17th, 2016 at 3:19pm:
freediver wrote on Nov 17th, 2016 at 12:33pm:
False dichotomy.


Not at all. You previously described the protest as 150 thousand Quranic-inspired fanatics calling for him to be executed. Those other examples you have similarly tried your hardest to frame them as the workings of religious fanatics. Muslims rort people and steal money, not because they are simply greedy human beings - but because they are devout muslims, fanatically following the example of their prophet. You said it yourself - AFIC didn't merely steal government school money - they stole it so they could send it to terrorists. Means to an end stuff. Thats the musselman in FD world - criminals who are not merely criminals who happen to be muslim - but who are criminals because they're muslim.

And yet if the allegations are true in this case, we have 10s of thousands of people turning up because they were paid and got a free meal. There's even one guy who admitted to being an Ahok supporter. Rent-a-crowds are not uncommon in Indonesia - in fact they're famous for them. How are you going to spin this to fit in with your  meme of religious fanatics FD? Let me guess - they took the money so they could donate it to terrorists? But wait - they're receiving the money from the terrorists in the first place, so how does that work?   


You think tens of thousands of people got paid?
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Reply #57 - Nov 17th, 2016 at 8:19pm
 
freediver wrote on Nov 17th, 2016 at 8:19pm:
You think tens of thousands of people got paid?



how many got paid FD?
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Reply #58 - Nov 17th, 2016 at 8:25pm
 
John Smith wrote on Nov 17th, 2016 at 3:50pm:
freediver wrote on Nov 17th, 2016 at 12:38pm:
in yet another of his ridiculous attempts to divert the blame away from Islam.



I haven't tried to divert anything. I'm just not simple enough to think 'it's the book' is the answer to every wrong.

You keep up the good work though, you're doing a great job of getting it wrong


So tell us about this 'brainwashing' you wish to see blamed instead of Islam John. Would you say it has nothing to do with Islam?
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Reply #59 - Nov 17th, 2016 at 8:26pm
 
freediver wrote on Nov 17th, 2016 at 8:25pm:
Would you say it has nothing to do with Islam?



the only people I've ever seen throw that phrase around is you and alevine FD. If people wish to manipulate Islam to their own ends, it's hardly Islams fault
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