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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 96446	Re: If freedom of speech means anything, it means... Reply #60 - Dec 12^th, 2016 at 10:02pm Now he's apologising for them. Must be a plausible theory.
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Reply #61 - Dec 13^th, 2016 at 8:40am

freediver wrote on Dec 12^th, 2016 at 6:51pm:

Can you quote him referring to a sub-species Gandalf?

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The result to day is that if there's 1.5 billion muslims, half are men 750 million inbred low intellect muslim men all squatting down to urinate, murdering people to emulate muhammad.

100% of muslims are of low intellect - as a result of inbreeding. This is what we call a genetic "sub species". Aren't you the one who's constantly appealing to common sense?

But here moses is engaging in the old style racism - literal "races" - in terms of genetics and breeding. Modern day racism is usually more subtle, and instead take a given attribute for a given "other" - say Islam - and racialise it. And by "racialise" I don't mean that they convince themselves they are literally a "race" as in old-school genetics and breeding. But rather take the physical and behavioural attributes of the other (some may include genetic attributes like skin colour, but others don't such as the hijab) , and develop their irrational prejudice against the group in the same way as old-school racists did in terms of the "othering" process.

So take me for example. I'm not from the middle east, and none of my ancestors are inbred. Yet moses insists I am - simply because he sees a stereotype called "muslim", not an individual. And thats what racists do FD - they see the people they are racist against as a monolith, not as individual human beings - whats known in this field as "outgroup homogeneity" - an "other" that is absolute and which they can use to project their hate and prejudices.

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Reply #62 - Dec 13^th, 2016 at 8:55am

polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 13^th, 2016 at 8:40am:

freediver wrote on Dec 12^th, 2016 at 6:51pm:

Can you quote him referring to a sub-species Gandalf?

sure...

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The result to day is that if there's 1.5 billion muslims, half are men 750 million inbred low intellect muslim men all squatting down to urinate, murdering people to emulate muhammad.

100% of muslims are of low intellect - as a result of inbreeding. This is what we call a genetic "sub species". Aren't you the one who's constantly appealing to common sense?

But here moses is engaging in the old style racism - literal "races" - in terms of genetics and breeding. Modern day racism is usually more subtle, and instead take a given attribute for a given "other" - say Islam - and racialise it. And by "racialise" I don't mean that they convince themselves they are literally a "race" as in old-school genetics and breeding. But rather take the physical and behavioural attributes of the other (some may include genetic attributes like skin colour, but others don't such as the hijab) , and develop their irrational prejudice against the group in the same way as old-school racists did in terms of the "othering" process.

So take me for example. I'm not from the middle east, and none of my ancestors are inbred. Yet moses insists I am - simply because he sees a stereotype called "muslim", not an individual. And thats what racists do FD - they see the people they are racist against as a monolith, not as individual human beings - whats known in this field as "outgroup homogeneity" - an "other" that is absolute and which they can use to project their hate and prejudices.

Maybe if we didn't have Muslim radicals mucking up in Australia people would have more of a fondness for Islam. Comments like that are emotive. Not factual. He's pissed off and as a result it's a broad statement.

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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: If freedom of speech means anything, it means... Reply #63 - Dec 13^th, 2016 at 9:30am correct hammer - it was a broad, emotive non-factual comment from a "pissed off" person about a particular ethno-religious group - also known as racism. And excusing racism because muslim terrorists and extremists exist is not the solution. Thats what we call spineless apologism.
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Reply #64 - Dec 13^th, 2016 at 12:29pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 13^th, 2016 at 9:30am:

correct hammer - it was a broad, emotive non-factual comment from a "pissed off" person about a particular ethno-religious group - also known as racism.

And excusing racism because muslim terrorists and extremists exist is not the solution. Thats what we call spineless apologism.

No, G, we call this Freeeeedom. It's spineless apologism when you mention other extremists when there are Muslim terrorists/extremists/child brides out there.

It's only racism when the Muselman tries to take away the Freeeeedom of decent white people. You can say what you like about the tinted races because they're not a race. It has to be something mean, of course. Say something nice, and you're a bigot - the soft bigotry of low expectations.

This makes you a race traitor, and far worse than the tinted races. Race traitors will eventually be lined up and shot, or rounded up and gassed - in the fullness of time.

If you're under any doubt, remember: if the tinted races say it, it's wacism. If decent white people say it, it's Freeeeedom.

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Reply #65 - Dec 13^th, 2016 at 7:40pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 13^th, 2016 at 8:40am:

freediver wrote on Dec 12^th, 2016 at 6:51pm:

Can you quote him referring to a sub-species Gandalf?

sure...

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The result to day is that if there's 1.5 billion muslims, half are men 750 million inbred low intellect muslim men all squatting down to urinate, murdering people to emulate muhammad.

100% of muslims are of low intellect - as a result of inbreeding. This is what we call a genetic "sub species".

No it isn't Gandalf. You were deliberately misquoting him in order to paint him as a racist. You base your entire argument on sweeping generalisations. You are adopting one of the diagnostic criteria that your yourself put forward for identifying racists.

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Aren't you the one who's constantly appealing to common sense?

Sure. Common sense dictates that specifically referencing 100% of Muslims excludes a racial angle.

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But here moses is engaging in the old style racism - literal "races" - in terms of genetics and breeding.

Again, now he is not. If he did so elsewhere, quote him. Inbred is not a race. Stupid is not a race. Islam is not a race. Men are not a race. The only thing that could be interpreted as a race is what you falsely attributed to him - a sub species.

This is the inevitable result of your muddle-headed "all Islamophobia is based on racism BS". Is that that sort of BS that gave us 18c and put people in jail for having the wrong opinion. You constantly attempt to racialise criticism of Islam in order to deflect from the real and verifiable criticism of Islam. There is a terrible problem with inbreeding where Islam has been around for the longest, yet all you can do is cry wacist!

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Modern day racism is usually more subtle

To the point that it does not exist? I would say the opposite - people go out of their way to give a scientific basis to racism.

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and instead take a given attribute for a given "other" - say Islam - and racialise it.

You racialise it in order to prop up the Islamic victimhood industry and avoid genuinely addressing the issues facing Islam.

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And by "racialise" I don't mean that they convince themselves they are literally a "race" as in old-school genetics and breeding. But rather take the physical and behavioural attributes of the other (some may include genetic attributes like skin colour, but others don't such as the hijab) , and develop their irrational prejudice against the group in the same way as old-school racists did in terms of the "othering" process.

Cousin rooting terrorists? Oh no, that's wacist!

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So take me for example. I'm not from the middle east, and none of my ancestors are inbred.

BS.

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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 96446	Re: If freedom of speech means anything, it means... Reply #66 - Dec 13^th, 2016 at 8:39pm You don't think a Negroid sub-species is racist? We understand, FD. You're now so full-blown you've forgotten what racism is. Sorry, wacism. The real victim here is the 2007-FD. We all feel for him, you know.
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Reply #67 - Dec 14^th, 2016 at 7:11am

freediver wrote on Dec 13^th, 2016 at 7:40pm:

You base your entire argument on sweeping generalisations.

Correct - moses' sweeping generalisations to be precise.

freediver wrote on Dec 13^th, 2016 at 7:40pm:

Inbred is not a race. Stupid is not a race.

Saying all [insert ethnic or religious group] are inbred and therefore stupid is racist. It really does take some spectacular mental gymnastics to say otherwise FD - and I admire your heroic attempts to apologise for racists.

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Reply #68 - Dec 14^th, 2016 at 7:16am

Karnal wrote on Dec 13^th, 2016 at 12:29pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 13^th, 2016 at 9:30am:

correct hammer - it was a broad, emotive non-factual comment from a "pissed off" person about a particular ethno-religious group - also known as racism.

And excusing racism because muslim terrorists and extremists exist is not the solution. Thats what we call spineless apologism.

No, G, we call this Freeeeedom. It's spineless apologism when you mention other extremists when there are Muslim terrorists/extremists/child brides out there.

It's only racism when the Muselman tries to take away the Freeeeedom of decent white people. You can say what you like about the tinted races because they're not a race. It has to be something mean, of course. Say something nice, and you're a bigot - the soft bigotry of low expectations.

This makes you a race traitor, and far worse than the tinted races. Race traitors will eventually be lined up and shot, or rounded up and gassed - in the fullness of time.

If you're under any doubt, remember: if the tinted races say it, it's wacism. If decent white people say it, it's Freeeeedom.

Exhibit A: denigrating an entire religious group as inbred, stupid and filthy is nothing but a bit of sexism - but dare to say "arabia for arabs" - then look out, FD will hound you down for the most outrageous "blatant racism".

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Reply #69 - Dec 14^th, 2016 at 9:58am

polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 14^th, 2016 at 7:16am:

Karnal wrote on Dec 13^th, 2016 at 12:29pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 13^th, 2016 at 9:30am:

correct hammer - it was a broad, emotive non-factual comment from a "pissed off" person about a particular ethno-religious group - also known as racism.

And excusing racism because muslim terrorists and extremists exist is not the solution. Thats what we call spineless apologism.

No, G, we call this Freeeeedom. It's spineless apologism when you mention other extremists when there are Muslim terrorists/extremists/child brides out there.

It's only racism when the Muselman tries to take away the Freeeeedom of decent white people. You can say what you like about the tinted races because they're not a race. It has to be something mean, of course. Say something nice, and you're a bigot - the soft bigotry of low expectations.

This makes you a race traitor, and far worse than the tinted races. Race traitors will eventually be lined up and shot, or rounded up and gassed - in the fullness of time.

If you're under any doubt, remember: if the tinted races say it, it's wacism. If decent white people say it, it's Freeeeedom.

Exhibit A: denigrating an entire religious group as inbred, stupid and filthy is nothing but a bit of sexism - but dare to say "arabia for arabs" - then look out, FD will hound you down for the most outrageous "blatant racism".

But of course. That's racist to decent white people everywhere.

Of course Arabia is not just for Arabs. What about BP? Total? Exxon?

Freeeedom, innit.

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Reply #70 - Dec 14^th, 2016 at 7:27pm

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Saying all [insert ethnic or religious group] are inbred and therefore stupid is racist.

Try again Gandalf. Remember, Islam is not a race. It is a religion. They are not the same thing. Niether Islam, stupid, or inbred are a race, and you cannot make them one by waving your arms in the air as you mix the words around.

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Exhibit A: denigrating an entire religious group as inbred, stupid and filthy is nothing but a bit of sexism - but dare to say "arabia for arabs" - then look out, FD will hound you down for the most outrageous "blatant racism".

Do you agree that "Arabia is for Arabs" is racist Gandalf?

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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: If freedom of speech means anything, it means... Reply #71 - Dec 14^th, 2016 at 7:40pm freediver wrote on Dec 14^th, 2016 at 7:27pm: Remember, Islam is not a race. Head, let me introduce to you this brick wall... freediver wrote on Dec 14^th, 2016 at 7:27pm: Do you agree that "Arabia is for Arabs" is racist Gandalf? no. If anything its a tautology.
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Reply #72 - Dec 14^th, 2016 at 8:00pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 14^th, 2016 at 7:40pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 14^th, 2016 at 7:27pm:

Remember, Islam is not a race.

Head, let me introduce to you this brick wall...

freediver wrote on Dec 14^th, 2016 at 7:27pm:

Do you agree that "Arabia is for Arabs" is racist Gandalf?

no. If anything its a tautology.

Actually, it was a joke.

The post-2007 FD is still learning about them.

Sprint and Yadda used to ask for a smiley to let on.

Would you like a visual cue, FD? After all, we wouldn't want to discriminate against those with disabilities, now would we?

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Reply #73 - Dec 14^th, 2016 at 8:09pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 14^th, 2016 at 7:40pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 14^th, 2016 at 7:27pm:

Remember, Islam is not a race.

Head, let me introduce to you this brick wall...

freediver wrote on Dec 14^th, 2016 at 7:27pm:

Do you agree that "Arabia is for Arabs" is racist Gandalf?

no. If anything its a tautology.

So you will fabricate scientific racial references and attribute them to Moses in order to make the case that he is racist, but when Aussie makes a clear reference to racial groupings as well as his desire for genocide, you suddenly can't see it? And the main difference happens to be that one is indirectly supporting Muslims and one is criticising them?

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Reply #74 - Dec 14^th, 2016 at 9:13pm

freediver wrote on Dec 14^th, 2016 at 8:09pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 14^th, 2016 at 7:40pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 14^th, 2016 at 7:27pm:

Remember, Islam is not a race.

Head, let me introduce to you this brick wall...

freediver wrote on Dec 14^th, 2016 at 7:27pm:

Do you agree that "Arabia is for Arabs" is racist Gandalf?

no. If anything its a tautology.

So you will fabricate scientific racial references and attribute them to Moses in order to make the case that he is racist, but when Aussie makes a clear reference to racial groupings as well as his desire for genocide, you suddenly can't see it? And the main difference happens to be that one is indirectly supporting Muslims and one is criticising them?

Sorry, FD, are you saying Moses is not racist?

You'll need to explain that one, I'm afraid.

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