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Reply #90 - Dec 16th, 2016 at 9:00pm
 
freediver wrote on Dec 16th, 2016 at 7:20pm:
Gandalf are you saying that what Moses actually said is irrelevant to whether what he said is racist?



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Reply #91 - Dec 16th, 2016 at 9:43pm
 
freediver wrote on Dec 16th, 2016 at 7:20pm:
Gandalf are you saying that what Moses actually said is irrelevant to whether what he said is racist?


Here's the first, G. We'll call this Question number 1.
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Reply #92 - Dec 17th, 2016 at 12:41pm
 
freediver wrote on Dec 16th, 2016 at 7:20pm:
Gandalf are you saying that what Moses actually said is irrelevant to whether what he said is racist?


no.
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Reply #93 - Dec 17th, 2016 at 1:21pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 17th, 2016 at 12:41pm:
freediver wrote on Dec 16th, 2016 at 7:20pm:
Gandalf are you saying that what Moses actually said is irrelevant to whether what he said is racist?


no.


Fair enough. So it is relevant. Did he actually describe Muslims as a sub species, or did you make that up when you realised I was correct that none of his actual words were racist?

No tapdancing please.
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Reply #94 - Dec 17th, 2016 at 1:41pm
 
freediver wrote on Dec 17th, 2016 at 1:21pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 17th, 2016 at 12:41pm:
freediver wrote on Dec 16th, 2016 at 7:20pm:
Gandalf are you saying that what Moses actually said is irrelevant to whether what he said is racist?


no.


Fair enough. So it is relevant. Did he actually describe Muslims as a sub species, or did you make that up when you realised I was correct that none of his actual words were racist?

No tapdancing please.


Here's the second. Question number 2.
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Reply #95 - Dec 17th, 2016 at 2:46pm
 
This is quest number 1. Gandalf skipped ahead a question.
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Reply #96 - Dec 17th, 2016 at 3:42pm
 
freediver wrote on Dec 17th, 2016 at 1:21pm:
Did he actually describe Muslims as a sub species, or did you make that up when you realised I was correct that none of his actual words were racist?


FD I've already explained - I interpret categorising the entire muslim population as mentally retarded, psychopathic inbreds as describing muslims as a separate human sub-species. It also "racialises" muslims. Clearly you think that is wrong. How about we agree to disagree and move on hmmm?

Do you think calling moses' statement "racist" instead of "bigoted hate-speech towards an entire ethno-religious group" is unfair?

Not going to answer? Well can you at least answer me this - is moses' hate speech (you do recognised it has hate speech surely??) - any less inflamatory or condemnable than whatever you consider to be actual "racism"?
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Reply #97 - Dec 17th, 2016 at 4:11pm
 
freediver wrote on Dec 17th, 2016 at 2:46pm:
This is quest number 1. Gandalf skipped ahead a question.


Yes, but you evaded a question.

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Do you even recognize it as bigotry that should be condemned? I'm frankly having doubts.
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Reply #98 - Dec 17th, 2016 at 10:11pm
 
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FD I've already explained - I interpret categorising the entire muslim population as mentally retarded, psychopathic inbreds as describing muslims as a separate human sub-species.


Is that another way of saying you made it up? Was he really referring to the entire Muslim population?

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Clearly you think that is wrong. How about we agree to disagree and move on hmmm?


If you still don't realise how you are wrong, I would like to dwell on this a bit more. I am particularly interested in your strategy of "re-interpreting" what people said after your first interpretation is shown to be incorrect. I would say that accusing Moses of racism is an interpretation. Accusing him of referring to Muslims as a sub species is just a lie, intended to back your false interpretation.

You also lied about none of your ancestors being inbred.

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Do you think calling moses' statement "racist" instead of "bigoted hate-speech towards an entire ethno-religious group" is unfair?


I think it is a deliberate strategy by you to racialise criticism of Islam and reinforce the Islamic victimhood industry. It is unfair to your fellow Muslims and apologists. It is the soft bigotry of low expectations.
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Reply #99 - Dec 17th, 2016 at 10:35pm
 
freediver wrote on Dec 17th, 2016 at 10:11pm:
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FD I've already explained - I interpret categorising the entire muslim population as mentally retarded, psychopathic inbreds as describing muslims as a separate human sub-species.


Is that another way of saying you made it up? Was he really referring to the entire Muslim population?


Is this question number 3, or are we still on permutations of question 1?

I'm confused.
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Reply #100 - Dec 17th, 2016 at 10:46pm
 
freediver wrote on Dec 17th, 2016 at 10:11pm:
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FD I've already explained - I interpret categorising the entire muslim population as mentally retarded, psychopathic inbreds as describing muslims as a separate human sub-species.


Is that another way of saying you made it up? Was he really referring to the entire Muslim population?

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Clearly you think that is wrong. How about we agree to disagree and move on hmmm?


If you still don't realise how you are wrong, I would like to dwell on this a bit more. I am particularly interested in your strategy of "re-interpreting" what people said after your first interpretation is shown to be incorrect. I would say that accusing Moses of racism is an interpretation. Accusing him of referring to Muslims as a sub species is just a lie, intended to back your false interpretation.

You also lied about none of your ancestors being inbred.

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Do you think calling moses' statement "racist" instead of "bigoted hate-speech towards an entire ethno-religious group" is unfair?


I think it is a deliberate strategy by you to racialise criticism of Islam and reinforce the Islamic victimhood industry. It is unfair to your fellow Muslims and apologists. It is the soft bigotry of low expectations.


Looks like you've got your answer, G. FD was quick this time.

The answer is no. Calling a race inbred, subnormal and genetically inferior is not racist or bigoted, it's perfectly reasonable if they're Muslims. In fact, saying this is racist is unfair to your fellow Muslims and apologists. It's bigotry of the highest order.

Oh, G. How could you?
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Reply #101 - Dec 18th, 2016 at 11:58am
 
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Reply #102 - Dec 19th, 2016 at 4:02pm
 
freediver wrote on Dec 17th, 2016 at 10:11pm:
Was he really referring to the entire Muslim population?


I'm so glad you brought that up FD, as it proves your fanstastically stupid logic can still get stupider.

Moses made a very specific reference to the entire population - 1.5 billion, read it again, I've posted it enough times. He then used that figure to "calculate" the number of men, who he went on to describe as 100% (750 million, read the quote) as intellectually retarded. That includes me, who isn't even of arab origin, who doesn't come from that favourite "genetic/caliphate map" of yours that you post at every opportunity.

So now I guess we can apply ingenious FD logic and point out he was only talking about half the muslim population and say "see! women are not included! - Its just a bit of sexism!" - right? Which would only "very stupid" (as opposed to 'about as stupid as you can get'), if you didn't stop to consider how inbreeding (hell, any breeding) occurs. That, shock horror, it involves men and women - and that if 100% of men were intellectually retarded (lets see you try and spin him not saying that lol), that would be impossible unless 100% of the women were also intellectually retarded.

So yes, Moses was referring to the entire muslim population when he referred to them  being a genetic sub-species as being intellectually retarded due to inbreeding
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Reply #103 - Dec 19th, 2016 at 8:03pm
 
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Moses made a very specific reference to the entire population - 1.5 billion, read it again, I've posted it enough times.


Please post it again. The only one I recall is his reference to Muslim men, which you "intepretted" to mean sub species.

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He then used that figure to "calculate" the number of men, who he went on to describe as 100% (750 million, read the quote) as intellectually retarded.


He described Muslim men as 100% of "the entire muslim population"? Can women be Muslims Gandalf? Please post his calculation.

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That includes me, who isn't even of arab origin


Finally, conclusive proof of racism. Tell us about your non-inbred ancestors again.

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So now I guess we can apply ingenious FD logic and point out he was only talking about half the muslim population


Why is it a special trait of mine to refer to what people actually said rather than making stuff up?

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and say "see! women are not included! - Its just a bit of sexism!" - right? Which would only "very stupid" (as opposed to 'about as stupid as you can get'), if you didn't stop to consider how inbreeding (hell, any breeding) occurs.


Were any of your ancestors inbred Gandalf?

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That, shock horror, it involves men and women - and that if 100% of men were intellectually retarded (lets see you try and spin him not saying that lol), that would be impossible unless 100% of the women were also intellectually retarded.


By Jesus, I think you have got him Gandalf. Let's see what he has to say about this, shall we?

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So yes, Moses was referring to the entire muslim population when he referred to them  being a genetic sub-species as being intellectually retarded due to inbreeding


You agree that the high rate of inbreeding among the worlds Muslism causes intellectual retardation, right? I am pretty sure you have said so, when you weren't going apopleptic and calling it racism.
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Reply #104 - Dec 19th, 2016 at 8:08pm
 
Because you rarely refer to what people said, FD, and you always make stuff up.

Do you deny this?
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