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Re: Gerald Fredrick Töben - jailed for his opinion
Reply #165 - Dec 16^th, 2016 at 6:16pm

freediver wrote on Dec 16^th, 2016 at 6:10pm:

b) If you get jailed for something, then you are not actually free to do it

sure he is ... but there will be consequences.

Is life always a struggle for you?

freediver wrote on Dec 16^th, 2016 at 6:10pm:

I disagree with Toben, but unlike you I don't see that as a justification for putting him in jail.

i wasn't asking about tobin .... for such a proponent of free speech, why is it then that half your forum members are banned from feedback? Or is free speech only something you cheer for when it suits you?

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Re: Gerald Fredrick Töben - jailed for his opinion
Reply #166 - Dec 16^th, 2016 at 7:16pm

freediver wrote on Dec 16^th, 2016 at 12:47pm:

John Smith wrote on Dec 15^th, 2016 at 11:11pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 15^th, 2016 at 10:34pm:

So when you say he is free to ignore the court orders, you lie about him being free, because freedom is an old ideology?

no, i mean there are consequences to his actions. I'm not sure why you struggle with this so much. He can say what he likes, he just has to be willing to suffer the consequences for what he says.

freediver wrote on Dec 15^th, 2016 at 10:34pm:

Sure. I support freedom of speech, and I am not confused by what that means either.

you mean you support it right up until that free speech is about something you disagree with, don't you?

You are the one who is struggling. Which of the following is correct:

a) Toben was free to ignore the court orders
b) If you get jailed for something, then you are not actually free to do it

If you get jailed for something, then you are not actually free to do it

Yes you are not entitled to treat the court with contempt, they lock you up for that.

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Re: Gerald Fredrick Töben - jailed for his opinion
Reply #167 - Dec 16^th, 2016 at 10:03pm

Let's try this again John.

Which of the following is correct?

a) Toben was free to ignore the court orders
b) If you get jailed for something, then you are not actually free to do it

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i wasn't asking about tobin .... for such a proponent of free speech, why is it then that half your forum members are banned from feedback? Or is free speech only something you cheer for when it suits you?

I could ban every single one of you from this entire website, and it would not infringe on your rights or freedoms in any way. Do you think I let you leave your trail of stupid all over this forum because I think you have a right to do so? I am being generous, that is all.

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If you get jailed for something, then you are not actually free to do it
Yes you are not entitled to treat the court with contempt, they lock you up for that.

Is that your answer to the question DNA? Are you saying a) is not correct?

You never did say whether you think it is right to deny unpopular people their freedom. Would you like to have another go?

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Re: Gerald Fredrick Töben - jailed for his opinion
Reply #168 - Dec 16^th, 2016 at 10:27pm

freediver wrote on Dec 16^th, 2016 at 10:03pm:

Let's try this again John.

Which of the following is correct?

a) Toben was free to ignore the court orders
b) If you get jailed for something, then you are not actually free to do it

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i wasn't asking about tobin .... for such a proponent of free speech, why is it then that half your forum members are banned from feedback? Or is free speech only something you cheer for when it suits you?

I could ban every single one of you from this entire website, and it would not infringe on your rights or freedoms in any way. Do you think I let you leave your trail of stupid all over this forum because I think you have a right to do so? I am being generous, that is all.

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If you get jailed for something, then you are not actually free to do it
Yes you are not entitled to treat the court with contempt, they lock you up for that.

Is that your answer to the question DNA? Are you saying a) is not correct?

You never did say whether you think it is right to deny unpopular people their freedom. Would you like to have another go?

FD, you never did say whether you agree with Moses. Would you like to have another go?

Let's clear this up once and for all. You're online now. All you have to do is say whether you agree that Muslims are inbred, sub-human untermenschen who are genetically predisposed to squat to piss (the inferior male species, of course).

If you say nothing, we'll take that as a yes, okay?

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Karnal Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 95135 Gender:	Re: Gerald Fredrick Töben - jailed for his opinion Reply #169 - Dec 16^th, 2016 at 11:14pm You're still here, FD. Don't want to say?
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 48830 At my desk.	Re: Gerald Fredrick Töben - jailed for his opinion Reply #170 - Dec 16^th, 2016 at 11:17pm I am certain that Moses is wrong. Muslims are not a species.
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Karnal Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 95135 Gender:	Re: Gerald Fredrick Töben - jailed for his opinion Reply #171 - Dec 16^th, 2016 at 11:31pm freediver wrote on Dec 16^th, 2016 at 11:17pm: I am certain that Moses is wrong. Muslims are not a species. Thanks, FD. No more questions at this time, effendes. FD is taking rest.
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Setanta Gold Member Offline \/ Peace man! Posts: 16450 Northern NSW Gender:	Re: Gerald Fredrick Töben - jailed for his opinion Reply #172 - Dec 16^th, 2016 at 11:38pm Karnal wrote on Dec 16^th, 2016 at 11:31pm: freediver wrote on Dec 16^th, 2016 at 11:17pm: I am certain that Moses is wrong. Muslims are not a species. Thanks, FD. No more questions at this time, effendes. FD is taking rest. I take it he's not rust.
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Re: Gerald Fredrick Töben - jailed for his opinion
Reply #173 - Dec 16^th, 2016 at 11:53pm

Setanta wrote on Dec 16^th, 2016 at 11:38pm:

Karnal wrote on Dec 16^th, 2016 at 11:31pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 16^th, 2016 at 11:17pm:

I am certain that Moses is wrong. Muslims are not a species.

Thanks, FD. No more questions at this time, effendes.

FD is taking rest.

I take it he's not rust.

Oh no. FD will be back for more evasion in the morning.

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Re: Gerald Fredrick Töben - jailed for his opinion
Reply #174 - Dec 17^th, 2016 at 11:03am

freediver wrote on Dec 16^th, 2016 at 10:03pm:

et's try this again John.

Which of the following is correct?

a) Toben was free to ignore the court orders
b) If you get jailed for something, then you are not actually free to do it

both

freediver wrote on Dec 16^th, 2016 at 10:03pm:

I could ban every single one of you from this entire website, and it would not infringe on your rights or freedoms in any way.

sure it does. You want to control what we do and do not say . That's an infringement on our 'free speech' (not that I am disagreeing with your right to do so). Of course, you can justify it to yourself that it's different all you want, hypocrites always do. Just don't expect anyone to believe it when you do.

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Re: Gerald Fredrick Töben - jailed for his opinion
Reply #175 - Dec 17^th, 2016 at 11:42am

Are you suggesting that free speech implies a right to get your idiotic views published on whatever website you want?

John Smith wrote on Dec 17^th, 2016 at 11:03am:

freediver wrote on Dec 16^th, 2016 at 10:03pm:

Let's try this again John.

Which of the following is correct?

a) Toben was free to ignore the court orders
b) If you get jailed for something, then you are not actually free to do it

both

Can you explain, for the benefit of any of your fellow apologists who somehow think you are not saying something incredibly stupid?

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Dnarever Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 58034 Here Gender:	Re: Gerald Fredrick Töben - jailed for his opinion Reply #176 - Dec 17^th, 2016 at 12:04pm freediver wrote on Dec 16^th, 2016 at 11:17pm: I am certain that Moses is wrong. Muslims are not a species. The Muslim cat muezza could be considered a species ?
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Re: Gerald Fredrick Töben - jailed for his opinion
Reply #177 - Dec 17^th, 2016 at 12:14pm

freediver wrote on Dec 16^th, 2016 at 10:03pm:

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If you get jailed for something, then you are not actually free to do it
Yes you are not entitled to treat the court with contempt, they lock you up for that.

Is that your answer to the question DNA? Are you saying a) is not correct?

You never did say whether you think it is right to deny unpopular people their freedom. Would you like to have another go?

a) is not correct? Yes a) is not correct.

You never did say whether you think it is right to deny unpopular people their freedom.

Being locked up for contempt of court should not have a relationship to popularity though as with most things being popular does seem to allow people to get away with more.

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Re: Gerald Fredrick Töben - jailed for his opinion
Reply #178 - Dec 17^th, 2016 at 1:06pm

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a) is not correct? Yes a) is not correct.

Oh good. Maybe you can explain it to John Smith. He already realises that you are not free to do something if you are jailed for it, but is having trouble joining the dots.

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Being locked up for contempt of court should not have a relationship to popularity though as with most things being popular does seem to allow people to get away with more.

What about one step back in the process, in the establishment of the court order. Should your popularity dictate whether you get a court order that criminalises your opinion?

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Re: Gerald Fredrick Töben - jailed for his opinion
Reply #179 - Dec 17^th, 2016 at 4:21pm

freediver wrote on Dec 15^th, 2016 at 9:23pm:

Raven wrote on Dec 15^th, 2016 at 8:26pm:

He wasn't jailed for his opinion.

I did not say he was. This is what I said. Read it carefully now: Do you support freedom of speech, as well as jailing people for their opinion?

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