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Reply #105 - Dec 27^th, 2016 at 11:37am

Emma wrote on Dec 26^th, 2016 at 10:39pm:

Can you find any earlier references?? because humans have been recording meteorological information for a lot longer than that.

Do you mean something more than "this is a bitch of a winter a can't remember one like it"? Wink

Emma wrote on Dec 26^th, 2016 at 10:39pm:

Personally, I think the only records which are relevant are those pertaining to the years since, say 1920.

Oh, good. We can include the early 20th century warming, before CO2 was postulated to be a problem. Wink

Emma wrote on Dec 26^th, 2016 at 10:39pm:

There is no harm in looking at earlier records for comparisons sake, where available though.
It just behooves the injunction to realise that older data is largely irrelevant to where we are today.

Any proof today is worse than any other time in say the last two thousand years?

The only data we have is CO2 levels today. We only have proxy data to say it was never that high since humans have walked the earth.

CO2 levels lag temperature by about 800 years according to scientists, they don't drive temperature.

Have other warm periods been, supposedly, driven by CO2?

You would ignore what science says about perihelion and aphelion? And other cycles? Roll Eyes

Emma wrote on Dec 26^th, 2016 at 10:39pm:

and the population that will be affected is exponentionally

greater than at any time in the past. UNDENIABLE.

There is a larger population so any effect would be larger.
First you have to show there is anything bad happening, and that it is global.

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Reply #106 - Dec 28^th, 2016 at 5:10am

Emma wrote on Dec 26^th, 2016 at 10:06pm:

Rider wrote on Dec 26^th, 2016 at 3:26pm:

Rider wrote on Dec 26^th, 2016 at 9:32am:

Emma wrote on Dec 25^th, 2016 at 10:53pm:

Rider wrote on Dec 25^th, 2016 at 12:39pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Dec 25^th, 2016 at 7:32am:

Emma wrote on Dec 25^th, 2016 at 4:12am:

Seen the latest temperatures in the Arctic North.?

Lees has asked a couple of times “above or below freezing” which is totally irrelevant, of course, what is relevant is the record high temp. Lees is all about obfuscation, partly through concentrating on minor points.

Not a record. Has happened before will happen again

. Actual answer is 'so what?'

Thought tbis would equate to a weather event, much akin to snow falls in thr Sahara during the week....

Or is it climate change when it suits.....hard to believe so many swamp rats in one place.....drain the swamp!

Oh? When was that exactly.? Please tell us.

You got proof it hasen't?

You can't prove a negative. You must be joking . ? Right.? Because there are limited records available for the region, you seem to consider it is possible?. That's a long way from your previous assertion, isn't it? Grin

Not while humans existed, that is for sure.

But you are simply irrelevant and incapable of substantiating your ridiculous claim.

Have you seen the latest temps in Siberia? More record lows.....

But I'd reckon that would just be local weather wouldnt it? Not the calamitous world exploding (in a billion years time) kind of bleating piffle we see from the swampies.

UMmmmm .... Grin

The reason for that is the very fact that the Polar Vortex is losing cohesion.

What this means is that large masses of hot air are pushing up into the arctic from the two major land masses connected to the arctic, rather like amorphous horns, which push and displace the cold arctic air to the SOUTH, into those same aforementioned landmasses. The Arctic cold is being displaced , resulting in warmer temperatures in the far north and colder temperatures in places just like Siberia, and Northern Europe, as well as continental North America.

Therefore we have large ice melts in the Arctic and snow in the Saharan desert, and Northern California.

Do you understand it now.? Roll Eyes

So the Polar Vortex is "losing cohesion".....interesting....you got any proof of this, oh, and is "losing cohesion" a scientific term or just a meaningless glib term coined to promote more alarmist twaddle?

Weather as you described commonly occurs, no records, nothing unprecedented.....begging the question....so what?

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Reply #107 - Dec 28^th, 2016 at 5:16am

Emma wrote on Dec 26^th, 2016 at 10:39pm:

lee wrote on Dec 26^th, 2016 at 10:13pm:

You do understand it is not a recent phenomenon? First described in 1853.

Indeed, snow last fell on the Sahara about 40 years ago.
It is the scale and severity of the meteorology that is the concern. We don't have any back-up scenarios available to us, and the population that will be affected is exponentionally

greater than at any time in the past. UNDENIABLE.

Can you find any earlier references?? because humans have been recording meteorological information for a lot longer than that.
Personally, I think the only records which are relevant are those pertaining to the years since, say 1920.
There is no harm in looking at earlier records for comparisons sake, where available though.
It just behooves the injunction to realise that older data is largely irrelevant to where we are today.

So you think modern weather measuring technology shouldnt be coupled to historic data like tree rings and ice cores and be directly correllated.....wow...we agree. But it kinda blows apart the complete warmist assertion exposing it to be nothing other than the corrupt UN scandal it truly is.

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Emma Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 9853 OZ Gender:	Re: there is no climate change debate. Reply #108 - Dec 29^th, 2016 at 12:21am Well.. really?... I've been thinking I agree with the title of this topic.
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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 47794 Gender:	Re: there is no climate change debate. Reply #109 - Dec 29^th, 2016 at 7:43am Funny how the BuMet and CSIRO all show warming temperatures as does the UK Met Office as does NASA etc etc. Simplest hypothesis: the globe is warming. The mechanism is there in CO2 and H2O.
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Reply #110 - Dec 29^th, 2016 at 8:25am

Jovial Monk wrote on Dec 29^th, 2016 at 7:43am:

Funny how the BuMet and CSIRO all show warming temperatures as does the UK Met Office as does NASA etc etc.

Simplest hypothesis: the globe is warming. The mechanism is there in CO2 and H2O.

The climate models also told the world that there was a hot spot (the signature foot print of AGW) in the tropopause around the equator and that CO2 was the main cause unfortunately for you lot weather balloons and satellite data fail to detect this hot spot which only existed in computer models.

Lies and deception from the oligarchy who want to tax us all including you on the air we breathe.

Let’s not forget that 95% of the greenhouse effect on Earth is due to water vapour and clouds.

Here is a list of all the failed predictions of the climate models.

The big list of failed climate predictions

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/04/02/the-big-list-of-failed-climate-prediction...

Earth's energy budget from 53minute mark

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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 47794 Gender:	Re: there is no climate change debate. Reply #111 - Dec 29^th, 2016 at 12:26pm wattsupwiththat is a denialist website that is frequently wrong.
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Reply #112 - Dec 29^th, 2016 at 3:45pm

Jovial Monk wrote on Dec 29^th, 2016 at 12:26pm:

wattsupwiththat is a denialist website that is frequently wrong.

It's a site that presents all the facts, whether they are for or against the alarmist argument.

Unlike that fraudulent blog site called skeptical science.

Even it's name is deceiving its not sceptical at all, it pushes the alarmist message loud and clear to its readers.

It has ties to Al Gore, maybe honest John will become a high priest some time soon.

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1. There has never been a more serious assault on our standard of living than Anthropogenic Global Warming..Ajax
2. "One hour of freedom is worth more than 40 years of slavery & prison" Regas Feraeos

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lee Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 17961 Gender:	Re: there is no climate change debate. Reply #113 - Dec 29^th, 2016 at 5:29pm Jovial Monk wrote on Dec 29^th, 2016 at 12:26pm: wattsupwiththat is a denialist website that is frequently wrong. And of course you have multiple examples of these errors? And are willing to impart them?
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Reply #114 - Dec 29^th, 2016 at 10:03pm

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There appears to be change afoot. From The Milwaukee Wisconsin Journal Sentinel reporting on the Wisconsin Department of Natural Resources -

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The state Department of Natural Resources recently scrubbed language from an agency web page on the Great Lakes that said humans and greenhouse gases are the main cause of climate change.

The DNR now says the subject is a matter of scientific debate.

The department made the changes on Dec. 21, striking out whole sentences attributing global warming to human activities and rising levels of carbon dioxide.

It’s the most recent example of the DNR removing information related to climate change. More broadly, the changes reflect how the administration of Republican Gov. Scott Walker has de-emphasized the subject since he took office in 2011.

In the latest changes, the DNR says of climate change, “as it has done throughout the centuries, the earth is going through a change. The reasons for this change at this particular time in the earth’s long history are being debated and researched by academic entities outside the Department of Natural Resources.”

http://www.jsonline.com/story/news/politics/2016/12/28/dnr-purges-climate-change...

http://dnr.wi.gov/topic/greatlakes/climatechange.html

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Reply #115 - Dec 30^th, 2016 at 11:53am

Ajax wrote on Dec 29^th, 2016 at 3:45pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Dec 29^th, 2016 at 12:26pm:

wattsupwiththat is a denialist website that is frequently wrong.

It's a site that presents all the facts, whether they are for or against the alarmist argument.

Unlike that fraudulent blog site called skeptical science.

Even it's name is deceiving its not sceptical at all, it pushes the alarmist message loud and clear to its readers.

It has ties to Al Gore, maybe honest John will become a high priest some time soon.

Ajax should ask his best mate JOHNNY OLD MAN SMELL HOWARD what he thinks about climate change.

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Reply #116 - Dec 30^th, 2016 at 6:32pm

TheFunPolice wrote on Dec 30^th, 2016 at 11:53am:

Ajax wrote on Dec 29^th, 2016 at 3:45pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Dec 29^th, 2016 at 12:26pm:

wattsupwiththat is a denialist website that is frequently wrong.

It's a site that presents all the facts, whether they are for or against the alarmist argument.

Unlike that fraudulent blog site called skeptical science.

Even it's name is deceiving its not sceptical at all, it pushes the alarmist message loud and clear to its readers.

It has ties to Al Gore, maybe honest John will become a high priest some time soon.

Ajax should ask his best mate JOHNNY OLD MAN SMELL HOWARD what he thinks about climate change.

Why? Is he a climate scientist? Wink

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