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Pho Huc

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there is no climate change debate.
Dec 14^th, 2016 at 2:49pm

Climate change is anthropogenic. 97% of published scientific papers support this position. The 3% of papers dissagreeing are funded by parties with vested interests in maintaining a status quo.
Im sick of people here pretending to be scientists and critising the methods that researchers utilize without having any personel qualifications or experience other than a preexisting opinion and ability to access google.

Vent over.

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Re: there is no climate change debate.
Reply #1 - Dec 14^th, 2016 at 3:44pm

Pho Huc wrote on Dec 14^th, 2016 at 2:49pm:

Climate change is anthropogenic. 97% of published scientific papers support this position. The 3% of papers dissagreeing are funded by parties with vested interests in maintaining a status quo.
Im sick of people here pretending to be scientists and critising the methods that researchers utilize without having any personel qualifications or experience other than a preexisting opinion and ability to access google.

Vent over.

I believe that Climate Change is......it exists......it has existed for 100s of millions of years at varying levels.

Climate change is an absolute fact......full stop.

Has mankind caused it, & can mankind do anything to completely stop it.......politically, yes, but actually.....absolutely not, & nobody has, beyond doubt, ever proven otherwise.......full stop.

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Re: there is no climate change debate.
Reply #2 - Dec 14^th, 2016 at 4:19pm

Pho Huc wrote on Dec 14^th, 2016 at 2:49pm:

Climate change is anthropogenic. 97% of published scientific papers support this position. The 3% of papers dissagreeing are funded by parties with vested interests in maintaining a status quo.
Im sick of people here pretending to be scientists and critising the methods that researchers utilize without having any personel qualifications or experience other than a preexisting opinion and ability to access google.

Vent over.

Seriously...you drag out the old 97% garbage??

However, as your concern for the earth is paramount, it is clearly encumbent on you to lead by example and immediately cease expelling this heinous natural trace gas. You know it makes sense.

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Reply #3 - Dec 14^th, 2016 at 5:21pm

You may want to cut down the trees. Plants respire too.

'They found that, averaged over the entire globe, the evapotranspiration effects of plants account for 16% of warming of the land surface, with greenhouse effects accounting for the rest. But in some regions, such as parts of North America and eastern Asia, it can be more than 25% of the total warming. “If we think of a doubling of carbon dioxide as causing about four degrees of warming, in many places three of those degrees are coming from the effect of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere, and one is coming from the direct effect of carbon dioxide on plants.” '

https://carnegiescience.edu/news/co2-effects-plants-increase-global-warming-0

Every little bit helps.

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Re: there is no climate change debate.
Reply #4 - Dec 14^th, 2016 at 6:06pm

Pho Huc wrote on Dec 14^th, 2016 at 2:49pm:

Climate change is anthropogenic. 97% of published scientific papers support this position. The 3% of papers dissagreeing are funded by parties with vested interests in maintaining a status quo.
Im sick of people here pretending to be scientists and critising the methods that researchers utilize without having any personel qualifications or experience other than a preexisting opinion and ability to access google.

Vent over.

There is already a long thread for this - 66 pages:

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1464603948/975#975

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Reply #6 - Dec 14^th, 2016 at 7:55pm

lee wrote on Dec 14^th, 2016 at 5:21pm:

You may want to cut down the trees. Plants respire too.

'They found that, averaged over the entire globe, the evapotranspiration effects of plants account for 16% of warming of the land surface, with greenhouse effects accounting for the rest. But in some regions, such as parts of North America and eastern Asia, it can be more than 25% of the total warming. “If we think of a doubling of carbon dioxide as causing about four degrees of warming, in many places three of those degrees are coming from the effect of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere, and one is coming from the direct effect of carbon dioxide on plants.” '

https://carnegiescience.edu/news/co2-effects-plants-increase-global-warming-0

Every little bit helps.

evapotranspiration effects of plants account for 16% of warming of the land surface,

You mean the bit that has been part of the natural system balance for centuries ?

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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 17962 Gender:	Re: there is no climate change debate. Reply #7 - Dec 14^th, 2016 at 9:01pm Dnarever wrote on Dec 14^th, 2016 at 7:55pm: You mean the bit that has been part of the natural system balance for centuries ? Who said it hadn't been calculated? It is a source, perhaps we should cut them down. Do the calculations take into account the greening of the planet?
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bogarde73 Gold Member Offline Anti-Global & Contra Mundum Posts: 18443 Gender:	Re: there is no climate change debate. Reply #8 - Dec 17^th, 2016 at 10:17am Which climate change are they all fussing about? Change from what it was 100 years ago? 1000 years ago? 10000 years ago? 50000 years ago?
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Re: there is no climate change debate.
Reply #9 - Dec 17^th, 2016 at 1:28pm

Pho Huc wrote on Dec 14^th, 2016 at 2:49pm:

Climate change is anthropogenic. 97% of published scientific papers support this position. The 3% of papers dissagreeing are funded by parties with vested interests in maintaining a status quo.
Im sick of people here pretending to be scientists and critising the methods that researchers utilize without having any personel qualifications or experience other than a preexisting opinion and ability to access google.

Vent over.

Is it now....................!!!

Do you know that when the earth formed it was a molten rock of lava.

Is man also responsible for the Earth metamorphosing in to what we experience now.

Climate change has been around since the Earth formed, and will be around until the Earth is no more.

Mans contribution to climate change is minimal at worst.

Wake up and smell the CO2 mate, coming out of Rajendra Kumar Pachauri's arse hole............................ Grin

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1. There has never been a more serious assault on our standard of living than Anthropogenic Global Warming..Ajax
2. "One hour of freedom is worth more than 40 years of slavery & prison" Regas Feraeos

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Reply #10 - Dec 17^th, 2016 at 1:31pm

Quote:

“It is clear that current lifestyles and consumption patterns of the affluent middle-class … involving high meat intake, consumption of large amounts of frozen and convenience foods, ownership of motor vehicles, small electric appliances, home and work place air- conditioning, and suburban housing are not sustainable .… A shift is necessary toward lifestyles less geared to environmental damaging consumption patterns.”

Maurice Strong who spearheaded the 1991 Rio Earth Summit wrote in the U.N.’s Conference on Environmental Development (UNCED) report

"Isn't the only hope for the planet that the industrialized civilizations collapse? Isn't it our responsiblity to bring that about?"

- Maurice Strong, founder of the UN Environment Programme

"If we don't change, our species will not survive... Frankly, we may get to the point where the only way of saving the world will be for industrial civilization to collapse."

-Maurice Strong quoted in the September 1, 1997 edition of National Review magazine

Maurice saviour of the world

If you ever run into this can't, can you please ask him how he has curbed his use of fossil fuels................... Grin

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1. There has never been a more serious assault on our standard of living than Anthropogenic Global Warming..Ajax
2. "One hour of freedom is worth more than 40 years of slavery & prison" Regas Feraeos

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Reply #11 - Dec 18^th, 2016 at 3:10am

Ajax wrote on Dec 17^th, 2016 at 1:31pm:

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“It is clear that current lifestyles and consumption patterns of the affluent middle-class … involving high meat intake, consumption of large amounts of frozen and convenience foods, ownership of motor vehicles, small electric appliances, home and work place air- conditioning, and suburban housing are not sustainable .… A shift is necessary toward lifestyles less geared to environmental damaging consumption patterns.”

Maurice Strong who spearheaded the 1991 Rio Earth Summit wrote in the U.N.’s Conference on Environmental Development (UNCED) report

"Isn't the only hope for the planet that the industrialized civilizations collapse? Isn't it our responsiblity to bring that about?"

- Maurice Strong, founder of the UN Environment Programme

"If we don't change, our species will not survive... Frankly, we may get to the point where the only way of saving the world will be for industrial civilization to collapse."

-Maurice Strong quoted in the September 1, 1997 edition of National Review magazine

Maurice saviour of the world

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Hmm interesting quotes. I'll accept them at face value.

Clearly, this is correct.

Hopefully technology will go a long way to negating, or at least easing the impacts of human activity on the health of the planet, as much for our benefit, as for all the other life forms on the planet.

I'm not, however , holding my breath.
Good luck to you and your beloveds,, in the world WE are responsible for.

No one else to BLAME IS THERE.?

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Re: there is no climate change debate.
Reply #12 - Dec 18^th, 2016 at 10:52am

Emma wrote on Dec 18^th, 2016 at 3:10am:

Hmm interesting quotes. I'll accept them at face value.

Quote #1: pretty much stating what we all know anyway. The planet can not sustain 7 billion people living an affluent middle class life style.

Quote #3: pretty much the same as quote #1

Quote #2: a fabricated myth from the climate denier website "info wars"

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Reply #13 - Dec 18^th, 2016 at 6:04pm

Hey Barnacle,

Dear old Maurice Strong

would have you and all of us, living out of a cave.

While he enjoys ALL the creature comforts of fossil fuels.

There is not one creature comfort that he goes without.

He just wants us plebs to live in caves.......... Wink

Have you smelt the CO2 coming out of Rajendra Kumar Pachauri's arse hole lately..................... Grin

A railroad engineer head of the IPCC.............. Shocked

He got into climate change cause he knows FA about railroads.

He also knows FA about climate change, but that's the way of things these days, the boss usually knows FA about anything..... Shocked

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1. There has never been a more serious assault on our standard of living than Anthropogenic Global Warming..Ajax
2. "One hour of freedom is worth more than 40 years of slavery & prison" Regas Feraeos

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