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Pho Huc Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 985 Victoria Gender:	Re: there is no climate change debate. Reply #75 - Dec 22^nd, 2016 at 11:53pm Other than the planet is getting hotter faster than at any time in history? Do you have any evidence for any of your contortions yet? It obvious that you can find scientific literature that supports my position-why do have so much drama supporting your position?
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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 17960 Gender:	Re: there is no climate change debate. Reply #76 - Dec 23^rd, 2016 at 8:19pm Pho Huc wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2016 at 11:53pm: Other than the planet is getting hotter faster than at any time in history? How long is this history of global warming? You never seem to answer. 150 years, 200 years?
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Reply #77 - Dec 23^rd, 2016 at 9:28pm

You never asked.

The most accurate answer for your question would be since the first piece of gas trapped in the gravity well of an accretion of elements which eventually become the earth was heated and cooled. Cumbersome.

Anthropogenic climate change has been occurring since the first cavemen did his first fart.

I presume that you mean how long has science considered the current rate of temperature increase to be outside of the range expected prior to the human release of GHG's?

Svante Arrhenius and Arvid Högbom were the first people to publish papers hypothesizing that CO2 released into the atmosphere would increase global temperatures(this was around 1895)

Guy Stewart Callendar published a paper in 1938 that stated that global temperatures had been increasing for the previous 50 years, and concluded that it was being driven by CO2 level rises, So that was probably the first time that anthropological climate change was postulated professionally.

They are all correct or incorrect answers depending on exactly what your question was.

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Reply #78 - Dec 23^rd, 2016 at 10:31pm

Pho Huc wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2016 at 9:28pm:

Svante Arrhenius and Arvid Högbom were the first people to publish papers hypothesizing that CO2 released into the atmosphere would increase global temperatures(this was around 1895)

So only 120 years. Not a very long history.

BTW - Arrhenius amended his warming theory in 1906. Reducing the change in temperature.

Pho Huc wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2016 at 9:28pm:

Guy Stewart Callendar published a paper in 1938 that stated that global temperatures had been increasing for the previous 50 years, and concluded that it was being driven by CO2 level rises, So that was probably the first time that anthropological climate change was postulated professionally.

Yep Interesting.

Based on MODTRAN

Most of the warming is in the first 300ppm

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Reply #79 - Dec 23^rd, 2016 at 11:10pm

Really?

You think i'm going to argue with you about the accuracy of 100-70 years old scientific papers? before satellites, ice cores, radio dating........

You were asking about the history of it. I could name 5 scientific fields which hadn't even been thought of then which are fundamental to the workings of our world in modern times.

What you may not know was that when these papers were being published there was much more diverse opinion about what drove the earth climate, and a GHG driven model was quite on the outer.

The reason it became the dominant theory was because it was the only explanation which fitted all the data that became available as science advanced.

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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 17960 Gender:	Re: there is no climate change debate. Reply #80 - Dec 23^rd, 2016 at 11:17pm Pho Huc wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2016 at 11:10pm: You think i'm going to argue with you about the accuracy of 100-70 years old scientific papers? before satellites, ice cores, radio dating.... You're the one referenced paleo "data".
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Pho Huc Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 985 Victoria Gender:	Re: there is no climate change debate. Reply #81 - Dec 23^rd, 2016 at 11:22pm There is a difference between scientific paper written 100 years ago, And modern research conducted on samples 100000 years old. baby steps.
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Reply #82 - Dec 24^th, 2016 at 2:31pm

Pho Huc wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2016 at 11:22pm:

There is a difference between scientific paper written 100 years ago,
And modern research conducted on samples 100000 years old.

baby steps.

yep. And the error bars, don't forget the error bars on current reconstructions of paleo "data". it is not only amplitude but timing.

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Emma Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 9853 OZ Gender:	Re: there is no climate change debate. Reply #83 - Dec 25^th, 2016 at 4:12am Seen the latest temperatures in the Arctic North.?
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Reply #84 - Dec 25^th, 2016 at 7:32am

Emma wrote on Dec 25^th, 2016 at 4:12am:

Seen the latest temperatures in the Arctic North.?

Lees has asked a couple of times “above or below freezing” which is totally irrelevant, of course, what is relevant is the record high temp. Lees is all about obfuscation, partly through concentrating on minor points.

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Reply #85 - Dec 25^th, 2016 at 11:05am

Jovial Monk wrote on Dec 25^th, 2016 at 7:32am:

Emma wrote on Dec 25^th, 2016 at 4:12am:

Seen the latest temperatures in the Arctic North.?

Lees has asked a couple of times “above or below freezing” which is totally irrelevant, of course, what is relevant is the record high temp. Lees is all about obfuscation, partly through concentrating on minor points.

Only if it is unprecedented, you know never happened before, ever. Since man walked the earth at least.

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Reply #86 - Dec 25^th, 2016 at 11:53am

Pho Huc wrote on Dec 14^th, 2016 at 2:49pm:

Climate change is anthropogenic. 97% of published scientific papers support this position. The 3% of papers dissagreeing are funded by parties with vested interests in maintaining a status quo.
Im sick of people here pretending to be scientists and critising the methods that researchers utilize without having any personel qualifications or experience other than a preexisting opinion and ability to access google.

Vent over.

The anthropogenic 'Global Warming' hoax lost any credibility it might have had when the instigators to this fraud switched to relabelling it as 'Climate Change' to hedge their bets when North America suffered its coldest winter in more than a hundred years.

And then these Social-Marxist hoaxters blatantly revealed their political hand when they kept whisper-quiet upon learning that both India and China were fully intending to carry on burning fossil fuels.

It soon became clear that the hoax was all about a sneaky plan designed to transfer gazillions of dollars from the wealthy Western nations to the Third World for ostensibly the purpose of helping them to finance the construction of Green energy resources.

It's all very passé now, and even our socialist media has become very tired and bored with it.

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Reply #87 - Dec 25^th, 2016 at 12:39pm

Jovial Monk wrote on Dec 25^th, 2016 at 7:32am:

Emma wrote on Dec 25^th, 2016 at 4:12am:

Seen the latest temperatures in the Arctic North.?

Lees has asked a couple of times “above or below freezing” which is totally irrelevant, of course, what is relevant is the record high temp. Lees is all about obfuscation, partly through concentrating on minor points.

Not a record. Has happened before will happen again. Actual answer is 'so what?'

Thought tbis would equate to a weather event, much akin to snow falls in thr Sahara during the week....

Or is it climate change when it suits.....hard to believe so many swamp rats in one place.....drain the swamp!

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Lord Herbert Gold Member Offline Posts: 34441 Gender:	Re: there is no climate change debate. Reply #88 - Dec 25^th, 2016 at 2:07pm Global warming is good - it's the Global cooling that would be a worry.
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Reply #89 - Dec 25^th, 2016 at 7:05pm

Lord Herbert wrote on Dec 25^th, 2016 at 11:53am:

Pho Huc wrote on Dec 14^th, 2016 at 2:49pm:

Climate change is anthropogenic. 97% of published scientific papers support this position. The 3% of papers dissagreeing are funded by parties with vested interests in maintaining a status quo.
Im sick of people here pretending to be scientists and critising the methods that researchers utilize without having any personel qualifications or experience other than a preexisting opinion and ability to access google.

Vent over.

The anthropogenic 'Global Warming' hoax lost any credibility it might have had when the instigators to this fraud switched to relabelling it as 'Climate Change' to hedge their bets when North America suffered its coldest winter in more than a hundred years.

And then these Social-Marxist hoaxters blatantly revealed their political hand when they kept whisper-quiet upon learning that both India and China were fully intending to carry on burning fossil fuels.

It soon became clear that the hoax was all about a sneaky plan designed to transfer gazillions of dollars from the wealthy Western nations to the Third World for ostensibly the purpose of helping them to finance the construction of Green energy resources.

It's all very passé now, and even our socialist media has become very tired and bored with it.

Speechless.

All I can say is i'm not sure you know what a hoax is.

p.s,
When was the ice age meant to kick in?
im debating re-gassing the air-con in my work shed. 51 dg in there!

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