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Question: Is the statement is my signature racist?

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Re: What is racism?
Reply #120 - Jan 2nd, 2017 at 9:12pm
 
Frank wrote on Jan 2nd, 2017 at 9:02pm:
Everyone is racist.



But, old boy, we love the Danes. We don't feel a burden to civilise you whatsoever. No BO, no curry stains.

Carry on, dear boy.

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Re: What is racism?
Reply #121 - Jan 2nd, 2017 at 9:38pm
 
Karnal wrote on Jan 2nd, 2017 at 9:12pm:
Frank wrote on Jan 2nd, 2017 at 9:02pm:
Everyone is racist.



But, old boy, we love the Danes. We don't feel a burden to civilise you whatsoever. No BO, no curry stains.

Carry on, dear boy.




Danes don't stink like Indians.

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Re: What is racism?
Reply #122 - Jan 2nd, 2017 at 10:47pm
 
Frank wrote on Jan 2nd, 2017 at 9:38pm:
Karnal wrote on Jan 2nd, 2017 at 9:12pm:
Frank wrote on Jan 2nd, 2017 at 9:02pm:
Everyone is racist.



But, old boy, we love the Danes. We don't feel a burden to civilise you whatsoever. No BO, no curry stains.

Carry on, dear boy.




Danes don't stink like Indians.



Do you know any Danes?
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Re: What is racism?
Reply #123 - Jan 2nd, 2017 at 10:53pm
 
Karnal wrote on Jan 2nd, 2017 at 10:47pm:
Frank wrote on Jan 2nd, 2017 at 9:38pm:
Karnal wrote on Jan 2nd, 2017 at 9:12pm:
Frank wrote on Jan 2nd, 2017 at 9:02pm:
Everyone is racist.



But, old boy, we love the Danes. We don't feel a burden to civilise you whatsoever. No BO, no curry stains.

Carry on, dear boy.




Danes don't stink like Indians.



Do you know any Danes?


I like Indian people when they're toilet trained but Danes are better, their women are hot and they make nice furniture.  I'd hate to sit on curry shitttter every night
https://greatdanefurniture.com/danish-furniture/sofas
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Re: What is racism?
Reply #124 - Jan 2nd, 2017 at 11:01pm
 
Gordon wrote on Jan 2nd, 2017 at 10:53pm:
Karnal wrote on Jan 2nd, 2017 at 10:47pm:
Frank wrote on Jan 2nd, 2017 at 9:38pm:
Karnal wrote on Jan 2nd, 2017 at 9:12pm:
Frank wrote on Jan 2nd, 2017 at 9:02pm:
Everyone is racist.



But, old boy, we love the Danes. We don't feel a burden to civilise you whatsoever. No BO, no curry stains.

Carry on, dear boy.




Danes don't stink like Indians.



Do you know any Danes?


I like Indian people when they're toilet trained but Danes are better, their women are hot and they make nice furniture.  I'd hate to sit on curry shitttter every night
https://greatdanefurniture.com/danish-furniture/sofas


Correlation not causation, is it?
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Re: What is racism?
Reply #125 - Jan 2nd, 2017 at 11:09pm
 
Karnal wrote on Jan 2nd, 2017 at 10:47pm:
Frank wrote on Jan 2nd, 2017 at 9:38pm:
Karnal wrote on Jan 2nd, 2017 at 9:12pm:
Frank wrote on Jan 2nd, 2017 at 9:02pm:
Everyone is racist.



But, old boy, we love the Danes. We don't feel a burden to civilise you whatsoever. No BO, no curry stains.

Carry on, dear boy.




Danes don't stink like Indians.



Do you know any Danes?

I do. They don't stink.
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Re: What is racism?
Reply #126 - Jan 2nd, 2017 at 11:11pm
 
Karnal wrote on Jan 2nd, 2017 at 11:01pm:
Gordon wrote on Jan 2nd, 2017 at 10:53pm:
Karnal wrote on Jan 2nd, 2017 at 10:47pm:
Frank wrote on Jan 2nd, 2017 at 9:38pm:
Karnal wrote on Jan 2nd, 2017 at 9:12pm:
Frank wrote on Jan 2nd, 2017 at 9:02pm:
Everyone is racist.



But, old boy, we love the Danes. We don't feel a burden to civilise you whatsoever. No BO, no curry stains.

Carry on, dear boy.




Danes don't stink like Indians.



Do you know any Danes?


I like Indian people when they're toilet trained but Danes are better, their women are hot and they make nice furniture.  I'd hate to sit on curry shitttter every night
https://greatdanefurniture.com/danish-furniture/sofas


Correlation not causation, is it?


I think it's the excessive cumin they eat seeping out of their skin. Yuk.  Hey, have you noticed how lots of them use a gas bottle and burner in their kitchen?  On the house keeping scale they're about equal to mainland chonks.
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Re: What is racism?
Reply #127 - Jan 2nd, 2017 at 11:51pm
 
Frank wrote on Jan 2nd, 2017 at 11:09pm:
Karnal wrote on Jan 2nd, 2017 at 10:47pm:
Frank wrote on Jan 2nd, 2017 at 9:38pm:
Karnal wrote on Jan 2nd, 2017 at 9:12pm:
Frank wrote on Jan 2nd, 2017 at 9:02pm:
Everyone is racist.



But, old boy, we love the Danes. We don't feel a burden to civilise you whatsoever. No BO, no curry stains.

Carry on, dear boy.




Danes don't stink like Indians.



Do you know any Danes?

I do. They don't stink.


Freud did say one only likes the smell of ones own stool, dear boy. That would explain it.

Freud on man's stool, no?
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Re: What is racism?
Reply #128 - Jan 3rd, 2017 at 11:25am
 
moses wrote on Jan 2nd, 2017 at 3:31pm:
First the taqiyya:

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The Quran is actually very anti-racism, mentioning mankind being divided into "nations" and "tribes", but at the same time emphasises the common ancestry of all mankind - very clearly pointing out that no one nation or tribe is superior over any other. Says The Prophet (pbuh):


Then the call to islamic supremacy:

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“Surely all of mankind – from the time of Adam until our time – are like the teeth of a comb (all equal to one another) and there is no greatness for an `Arab over a non-`Arab and no greatness for a red-skinned person over a black-skinned person, except due to one’s consciousness of Allah (taqwa).”


Uh oh there it is in black and white (can I say that?) everyone is equal except those that believe in allah.


Correct moses. The only thing that makes men better than others in the eyes of God is their level of belief in God. Not race, not tribal, skin colour etc...

As I said, Islam is against racism.


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Reply #129 - Jan 3rd, 2017 at 11:32am
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 3rd, 2017 at 11:25am:
moses wrote on Jan 2nd, 2017 at 3:31pm:
First the taqiyya:

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The Quran is actually very anti-racism, mentioning mankind being divided into "nations" and "tribes", but at the same time emphasises the common ancestry of all mankind - very clearly pointing out that no one nation or tribe is superior over any other. Says The Prophet (pbuh):


Then the call to islamic supremacy:

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“Surely all of mankind – from the time of Adam until our time – are like the teeth of a comb (all equal to one another) and there is no greatness for an `Arab over a non-`Arab and no greatness for a red-skinned person over a black-skinned person, except due to one’s consciousness of Allah (taqwa).”


Uh oh there it is in black and white (can I say that?) everyone is equal except those that believe in allah.


Correct moses. The only thing that makes men better than others in the eyes of God is their level of belief in God. Not race, not tribal, skin colour etc...

As I said, Islam is against racism.




But don't you also believe that discrimination based on religious belief is a form of racism?
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Reply #130 - Jan 3rd, 2017 at 11:46am
 
Federal Racial Discipline Quotas Create Chaos In St. Paul Schools


On [superintendent Valeria] Silva’s watch, the city’s high schools have become menacing places where gangs of out-of-control teens prowl the halls, and “classroom invasions” by students settling private disputes are commonplace. Today, fights that “might have been between two individuals” can grow into “mêlées involving up to 40 or 50 people,” according to Steve Linders, a St Paul police spokesman. Roving packs often attack individuals, and police have had to use chemical irritants to break up what they call “riots.” […] One high school has issued emergency whistles to teachers and assigned a guard to every floor. A teacher who was crushed into a shelf in a classroom invasion now instructs her students to use a “secret knock” to enter her classroom.

The discipline policies that gave rise to this chaos sprang from Silva’s embrace of “racial equity” ideology. In St Paul, as across the nation, black students as a group are referred for discipline at higher rates than their peers. Silva made eliminating this racial gap a top priority. In Silva’s view, the gap is caused by teachers’ racial bias and cultural insensitivity, not by higher rates of misconduct by black students. She mandated “white privilege” training for all district personnel, eliminated “continual wilful disobedience” as a suspendable offence, and shifted many special education students with behaviour problems — students who are disproportionately black — to mainstream classrooms.

As Silva’s new discipline regime took hold, reading and math scores dropped and headlines about assaults on teachers appeared with disturbing frequency. Yet instead of reconsidering, her administration moved quickly to control public relations damage. For example, district officials attempted to silence critics by accusing them of having “issues with racial equity,” one veteran teacher told City Pages. In December 2015, teachers threatened to strike over mounting safety concerns… Meanwhile, St Paul families of all races began flooding into charter and suburban public schools, taking millions of dollars in state aid with them.
http://thefederalist.com/2016/07/29/federal-racial-discipline-quotas-create-chao...
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Reply #131 - Jan 3rd, 2017 at 11:50am
 
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Reply #132 - Jan 3rd, 2017 at 12:08pm
 
freediver wrote on Jan 2nd, 2017 at 3:24pm:
So why does it have to be redefined?

Are you saying that it is already widely accepted that mocking people for their chosen religion is racist?


No FD, I have never once said that mocking people for their chosen religion is racist - In fact I have argued the exact opposite. See if you can understand the difference between these two statements:  1. all muslims are stupid because they are retarded due to inbreeding; 2. all muslims are stupid because Islamic text is nonsensical and absurd. Both are crude and ignorant, but only one of those statements is racist - can you guess which one?

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If someone hates black people, would you say that is not racist on the grounds that there is no such thing as a black race?


no, you're not listening to what I have already explained. Prejudice and hate on the basis of fabricated categorisations -  such as "all blacks" is the epitome of racism - precisely because the categorisation is arbitrary and wholly unscientific. The commonality in all forms of racism is what they call 'outgroup homogeneity' - prejudice against members of a "group" that are perceived to be all the same. In this case, all the many different cultures and ethnicities who happen to have black skin are reduced to the one type. In moses' case, reducing all muslims to a monolithic group of inbred, psychopathic retards. Thats not to say it isn't based on an element of truth - a minority of muslims are inbred, and rates are higher than anywhere else.


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You are the only one twisting yourself into knots over it Gandalf. No-one has claimed that "prejudice against muslims can never be racism."


Oh FD, I would just *LOVE* to hear you come up with an example of "prejudice against muslims" that *IS* racist in your view. Would you care to have a shot? For someone who insists that reducing 100% of the male muslim population to a mindless, psychopathic, retarded collective isn't racist, it would be fascinating to see what you come up with.

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However, you have claimed that all Islamophobia is based on racism.


It is. I've never worked out your obsession with this. Is it because you are confusing rational and irrational fear of Islam? Hint: Islamophobia can only be irrational fear.
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Reply #133 - Jan 3rd, 2017 at 12:25pm
 
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No FD, I have never once said that mocking people for their chosen religion is racist - In fact I have argued the exact opposite. See if you can understand the difference between these two statements:  1. all muslims are stupid because they are retarded due to inbreeding; 2. all muslims are stupid because Islamic text is nonsensical and absurd. Both are crude and ignorant, but only one of those statements is racist - can you guess which one?


Can you explain why one is racist and not the other? Is retarded or inbred associated with a particular race? Is inbreeding not related to the absurd Islamic texts?

If someone said Muslims are idiots because they bend over to pray 6 times a day, would that be racist, but if they said they are stupid because they believe the Islamic command to do so, would that not be racist, according to your logic?

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no, you're not listening to what I have already explained. Prejudice and hate on the basis of fabricated categorisations -  such as "all blacks" is the epitome of racism - precisely because the categorisation is arbitrary and wholly unscientific


So why the need to redefine it just because it is arbitrary?

And why is it 'unscientific' to group people based on say, skin colour?

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The commonality in all forms of racism is what they call 'outgroup homogeneity' - prejudice against members of a "group" that are perceived to be all the same.


I see. So if someone said all lesbians are ugly, that would be racist?

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Oh FD, I would just *LOVE* to hear you come up with an example of "prejudice against muslims" that *IS* racist in your view. Would you care to have a shot?


All Muslims are sand negroes. See, I did not use any linguistic groups. Happy now? For extra points, guess what makes it racist.

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It is. I've never worked out your obsession with this. Is it because you are confusing rational and irrational fear of Islam? Hint: Islamophobia can only be irrational fear.


Let's start with your justification for this absurd claim. You insist Islamophobia is irrational, then insist that racism is the only rational explanation for it. But why does an irrational view need a rational explanation? I have told you this before, but I think you ran away when we got to this point in the debate. It tends to move at about one move on your part every six months or so.
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Reply #134 - Jan 3rd, 2017 at 12:39pm
 
freediver wrote on Jan 2nd, 2017 at 3:34pm:
Seeing as Gandalf likes to tie himself in knots, he thinks that racism should be broadened to include prejudice on the basis of religion. Yet this is exactly what Islam promotes. So by Gandalf's own logic, Islam is racist.


Best try and comprehend what I actually wrote FD, before you confuse yourself more.

Also Islam promotes no such thing: judgement is for God and God alone.

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 2nd, 2017 at 2:47pm:
Gandalf, are you a 'victim' of Moses' claim that all Muslim men are retarded?


If you call being lumped into the one category by someone in an ill-thought out rant on an internet forum being a "victim", then sure - but its not my definition of victimhood. Also I don't give moses credit for properly thinking through what he said. I think its safe to assume he wasn't thinking about non-arab, western converts when he uttered his drivel - would you agree?

Suffice to say, I won't be victimised in any meaningful way by racists - like muslim women getting their hijab ripped off, or an elderly couple getting beaten up by thugs because of something that happened on another continent. Calling me a "victim" of moses' racism rather cheapens actual victims who actually suffer from racism wouldn't you say?

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 2nd, 2017 at 12:44pm:
It is theoretically possible for the term to be broadened beyond it's current meaning, and a tiny minority including yourself is obviously working towards this. But it has not happened and there is no need for it to happen, as demonstrated by your efforts to negotiate the charge down to bigotry.


It is not a tiny minority - it is universal in the actual relevant field of social sciences. Try doing a bit of reading and educate yourself. In the article I posted in my other thread about racism, we see that a majority of anthropologists don't believe in 'race'

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This is an idiotic copout.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arabs

Arabs are an ethnic group inhabiting the Arab world.

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Ah I see - so "race" really means "ethnicity"? So tell me FD, do you think you can be racist against ethnicities? Where does "race" even fit in then? What is the point of the word?

As for your "idiotic copout", perhaps you should have actually read your article:

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Today, the main unifying characteristic among Arabs is Arabic, a Central Semitic language from the Afroasiatic language family. Modern Standard Arabic serves as the standardized and literary variety of Arabic used in writing.


Add to that cultural traditions, and membership of an arab nation - and you have the explanation of what it means to be 'Arab' - not genes, not skin colour, not any other biological markers. Arabs are not a "race", and therefore, by your own logic, cannot be the subjects of racism.
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