freediver wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2017 at 12:25pm:


No and no. Neither is racist.

Muslims do pray 5 times (not 6) a day, and they do believe its the Islamic command to do so. That someone might consider these beliefs the beliefs of an idiot, does not make him a racist. Of course he may be a racist depending on what else he thinks about muslims - like believing that the reason that they are stupid is because they are all inbred. This would be denigrating an entire group based on an ignorant stereotype (that all muslims are inbred) - whereas your example is denigrating an entire group based on something that is (for the purposes of this discussion) true - if you are a muslim then in theory you do pray 5 times a day, and believe its the Islamic command to do so.

freediver wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2017 at 12:25pm:


Logical fallacy. All racism is outgroup homogeneity, but not all outgroup homogeneity is racism.

freediver wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2017 at 12:25pm:


What makes it racist? That its homogenising an entire group in order to denigrate them. It is literally no different in this respect to labelling all muslims inbred retards.

freediver wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2017 at 12:25pm:


oh my 

Of course you need a 'rational' explanation to explain irrational behaviour. Its not a paradox FD. Researchers are coming up with explanations for racism all the time. What, do you think these explanations have to be "irrational"? Come now FD, use that brain of yours.

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2017 at 1:21pm:



Race is when white parents have white kids, not negroid or Asian kids, for hundreds of generations.
Or when black parents have black kids, for hundreds of generations.  And so kids resemble their people, not the people on another continent. And with the resemblance comes socialisation, behaviour and the rest.

That's race.

When someone says to you, "she looks like an African, he looks like an Italian, they look like Japanese" and you know what they mean. That's race.

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2017 at 11:25am:



Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 4, Book 56, Number 791:
Narrated 'Abdullah bin 'Umar:
I heard Allah's Apostle [Muhammad] saying, "The Jews will fight with you, and you will be given victory over them so that a stone will say, 'O Muslim! There is a Jew behind me; kill him!' "


What did Mohammed mean by "Jew"? What will the stone?


Is Zionism racism?

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You are still yet to explain how inbred is a race.

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What about the stereotype that all Muslims are stupid? How is one racist and the other not?

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So whether a statement is racist depends on whether there is an element of truth to it?

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How do you tell when it is? Is Moses' comment racist because it is incorrect regarding the extent of inbreeding, but not because of his claim that Muslims are stupid?

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Sand negro is a racial grouping or stereotype. Stupid is not. Inbred is not. Muslim is not.

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Are any of those researchers concluding that racism is the only rational explanation for Islamophobia?

This is actually starting to sound like a tautology to me. It is not a statement about Islamophobia. Rather it is a revelation of your attempt to discard the meaning of racism.

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The ethnicity, which just happens to coincide in this case with a lot of other cultural baggage such as language. I do not think Aussie was claiming that all the Israelis had to do to get his approval for the existence of Israel is to learn Arabic. A child born to Arabic parents will still be an Arab even if it is stolen, taken to the other side of the world, and raised with a different language and culture.

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Neither. Ethnicity is a broader term. Race refers only to inherited physical characteristics. Ethnicity incorporates culture etc. The language of the Arabs is part of their ethnicity, but is irrelevent to their race. That being said, ethnicity can be used to refer to race alone without causing confusion, except among those who seek it out.

Edit: I just googled it, and most results define ethnicity as excluding race - ie only the cultural aspect. So they are mutually exclusive terms, though I am pretty sure the terms get used interchangeably, perhaps because people think "ethnically chinese" is more politically correct than "racially chinese" when describing people.

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2017 at 3:15pm:



Well, you are a fake as far as the vast majority of Muslims are concerned.

Probably because you are a white Australian convert (Johnny come lately) and can't quite bring yourself to go down to the level of all the tinted yet authentic Muslims. You are too racist to go along with the more outlandishly primitive aspects of Islam, wholeheartedly embraced by the shaggy, hirsute, authentic Muslim demographic.


Sahih al-Bukhari is a collection of hadith compiled by Imam Muhammad al-Bukhari (d. 256 AH/870 AD) (rahimahullah).

His collection is recognized by the overwhelming majority of the Muslim world to be the most authentic collection of reports of the Sunnah of the Prophet Muhammad

. It contains over 7500 hadith (with repetitions) in 97 books. The translation provided here is by Dr. M. Muhsin Khan.

Karnal wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2017 at 8:58pm:



Exactly. To the squeamish little white boy Muslim here, Gandalf the Honky, the more robust and racists aspects of Islam are unpalatable and are to be denied as far as he is concerned.

"It's fake, as far as he is concerned" don't you know. Too hairy for him.  Islam is about what he makes of it, as far as he is concerned.  It's not about Submission, oh no. Islam is about what he thinks it is, as far as he is concerned. Literally. He is a Social Justice Warrior who has taken up Islam as the outlet for his discontent.  He is a selective, white, Western Liberal Muslim.
A fraud. And what a fraud. As are you, miam miaming arse-bandit.



As far as I am concerned.

freediver wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2017 at 5:44pm:


sand negro is indeed a 'racial stereotype', but not even you would argue its an actual "race" which you're still saying is real right? So tell me, why does the retort "inbred is not a race" work but "sand negro is not a race" not work? Both are true, are they not?

Or are you now saying racism isn't actually about 'race'?

You really need to think this through better FD.

freediver wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2017 at 5:44pm:


No, you're not paying attention. I didn't say the stereotype "all muslims are stupid" - on its own is not racist. I said the logic that "all muslims are stupid - because Islamic text is nonsensical (and only an idiot would believe it)" - is not racist. Crude yes, ignorant yes - but not racist. Of course if you extend that logic to say that the only people who are naturally drawn to that nonsensical text are those that are inbred and therefore born retarded (ie "all muslims are retarded")- then it would become racist.