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Re: What is racism?
Reply #195 - Jan 6^th, 2017 at 10:22am

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 6^th, 2017 at 10:08am:

But its such an unbelievably stupid thing to say. I was hoping FD would just say "sorry, I misread" or something.

We're talking about FD here, G.

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But then again I'm still trying to get him to understand that he paraphrased me saying the exact opposite of what I said so...

We're talking about FD here, G.

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Reply #196 - Jan 6^th, 2017 at 5:38pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 6^th, 2017 at 8:24am:

FD just think about this carefully:

you are saying you can't get inbred-related retardedness by having inbred parents. Presumably inbred retards are so because they choose to be - yes?

Pause a moment before responding to this.

Not because they choose to be. Not because they have inbred parents. Because their parents are related.

Instead of asking me to repeat myself, just quote me.

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You could actually be more specific FD - you could ask me to explain something that I actually said - instead of asking me to explain the exact opposite of what I said.

I was more specific. I directed you to the quote I was trying to get more explanation of. You disagreed with my paraphrasing of it and I asked you to clarify it. This is textbook effective communication methods Gandalf, but it needs you to play along.

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You do understand that you 'paraphrased' me saying the exact opposite of what I said right?

I acknowledge that you said this. It does not make sense. Hence my repeated requrests for you to explain it. It now appears to me to boil down to your insistence that children of inbred parents are inbred.

Lets do this one step at a time. Consider the following statement.

Two inbred parents can have a non-inbred child.

Do you agree with this statement?

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People who can't distinguish between etymology and entomology bug me in ways I cannot put into words.

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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 96448	Re: What is racism? Reply #197 - Jan 6^th, 2017 at 5:48pm Good heavens, FD has a textbook for this? That must be one of the books Longy published.
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Mr Hammer Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 25212 Gender:	Re: What is racism? Reply #198 - Jan 6^th, 2017 at 5:59pm Most do-gooders like Karnal, Pecca and Brian Ross don't believe in the concept of race so calling people racist makes no sense on their part.
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Brian Ross Gold Member Online Representative of me Posts: 42337	Re: What is racism? Reply #199 - Jan 6^th, 2017 at 6:02pm Mr Hammer wrote on Jan 6^th, 2017 at 5:59pm: Most do-gooders like Karnal, Pecca and Brian Ross don't believe in the concept of race so calling people racist makes no sense on their part.
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Reply #200 - Jan 6^th, 2017 at 6:08pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 6^th, 2017 at 6:02pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jan 6^th, 2017 at 5:59pm:

Most do-gooders like Karnal, Pecca and Brian Ross don't believe in the concept of race so calling people racist makes no sense on their part.

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Explain that one away? How can you call people racist when you don't believe in the concept of race??

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Reply #201 - Jan 6^th, 2017 at 6:33pm

Mr Hammer wrote on Jan 6^th, 2017 at 6:08pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 6^th, 2017 at 6:02pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jan 6^th, 2017 at 5:59pm:

Most do-gooders like Karnal, Pecca and Brian Ross don't believe in the concept of race so calling people racist makes no sense on their part.

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Explain that one away? How can you call people racist when you don't believe in the concept of race??

*YAWN* already explained it, many times, Hammer. YOU believe in "race". YOU denigrate people on the basis of their "race". Therefore you are a "racist". It isn't what I believe, it's what you believe that matters. Roll Eyes

So, where is your proof that "race" actually exists outside of what you believe, Hammer? Link to a scientific paper, about the Genetics of "race", please. Roll Eyes

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Reply #202 - Jan 6^th, 2017 at 6:36pm

freediver wrote on Jan 6^th, 2017 at 5:38pm:

I was more specific. I directed you to the quote I was trying to get more explanation of. You disagreed with my paraphrasing of it and I asked you to clarify it. This is textbook effective communication methods Gandalf, but it needs you to play along.

It doesn't require communication FD, it requires you to comprehend the most straight forward English imaginable. See if you can get it this time:

Gandalf said:
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Muslims do pray 5 times (not 6) a day, and they do believe its the Islamic command to do so. That someone might consider these beliefs the beliefs of an idiot, does not make him a racist.

and...

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I said the logic that "all muslims are stupid - because Islamic text is nonsensical (and only an idiot would believe it)" - is not racist.

FD bizarrely interprets that as:
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Muslims are stupid because you have to be to believe Islam - racist

Now if you then went on and said that the cause of their stupidity is inbreeding - then that would be racist.

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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Reply #203 - Jan 6^th, 2017 at 6:37pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 6^th, 2017 at 6:33pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jan 6^th, 2017 at 6:08pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 6^th, 2017 at 6:02pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jan 6^th, 2017 at 5:59pm:

Most do-gooders like Karnal, Pecca and Brian Ross don't believe in the concept of race so calling people racist makes no sense on their part.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/128170/2467911-yawn_20smiley.jpg

Explain that one away? How can you call people racist when you don't believe in the concept of race??

*YAWN* already explained it, many times, Hammer. YOU believe in "race". YOU denigrate people on the basis of their "race". Therefore you are a "racist". It isn't what I believe, it's what you believe that matters. Roll Eyes

So, where is your proof that "race" actually exists outside of what you believe, Hammer? Link to a scientific paper, about the Genetics of "race", please. Roll Eyes

brian- YOU denigrate people on the basis of their "race".....

so you do believe in race. finally!!! Roll Eyes

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Mr Hammer Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 25212 Gender:	Re: What is racism? Reply #204 - Jan 6^th, 2017 at 6:44pm Some crap karnal wrote- I've only met a few racist Jews - there are two on this very site - maybe more...... Karnal believes in the concept of race also.
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freediver Gold Member Online www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49397 At my desk.	Re: What is racism? Reply #205 - Jan 6^th, 2017 at 7:00pm Lets do this one step at a time Gandalf. Consider the following statement. Two inbred parents can have a non-inbred child. Do you agree with this statement?
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Reply #206 - Jan 6^th, 2017 at 7:12pm

freediver wrote on Jan 6^th, 2017 at 5:38pm:

Not because they choose to be. Not because they have inbred parents. Because their parents are related.

Wrong FD. If you had a baby with your cousin, the chances of that baby having a recessive disorder are infinitesimally smaller than a cousin-cousin baby from a community of inbreds that goes back hundreds of generations. In fact your chances are practically zero (even if they are marginally greater than a non-cousin baby), while the chances of the baby from the inbred community is probably close to 100%. So the rates of retardation moses was talking about (100% of the population), while of course absurd, could only come about through generations of inbreeding over 100s of years. If, as moses claims, muslims have all been inbreeding since the time of Muhammad, and adversely affecting the muslim gene pool all the way back since then (ie 'racialising' muslims), a muslim today would be a retard because he inherited his parents retardedness, who inherited their retardedness... etc etc - going back 1400 years. Inbreeding merely increases the likelihood these recessive 'retard genes' will be passed down.

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Reply #207 - Jan 6^th, 2017 at 7:19pm

freediver wrote on Jan 6^th, 2017 at 7:00pm:

Lets do this one step at a time Gandalf. Consider the following statement.

Two inbred parents can have a non-inbred child.

Do you agree with this statement?

Yes. Presumably you are under the delusion I said that couldn't happen - yes?

Now lets try another - which is more relevant to what I actually said:

Two inbred parents with the same recessive disorder - brought about by hundreds of years of inbreeding - are more likely to have a child with that same recessive disorder

Do you agree with this statement? Would you describe such a process as a recessive disorder (call it 'intellectual retardedness' if you like) being 'inherited'?

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Reply #208 - Jan 6^th, 2017 at 7:35pm

Mr Hammer wrote on Jan 6^th, 2017 at 6:37pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 6^th, 2017 at 6:33pm:

So, where is your proof that "race" actually exists outside of what you believe, Hammer? Link to a scientific paper, about the Genetics of "race", please. Roll Eyes

brian- YOU denigrate people on the basis of their "race".....

Do I? Evidence, please. Roll Eyes

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so you do believe in race. finally!!! Roll Eyes

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Reply #209 - Jan 6^th, 2017 at 7:38pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 6^th, 2017 at 7:35pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jan 6^th, 2017 at 6:37pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 6^th, 2017 at 6:33pm:

So, where is your proof that "race" actually exists outside of what you believe, Hammer? Link to a scientific paper, about the Genetics of "race", please. Roll Eyes

brian- YOU denigrate people on the basis of their "race".....

Do I? Evidence, please. Roll Eyes

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so you do believe in race. finally!!! Roll Eyes

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That's what you wrote. If you don't believe in race then why are you pissing your pretty pink panties all of the time over something you don't believe in (racism) ??

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