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Reply #225 - Jan 6^th, 2017 at 10:17pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 6^th, 2017 at 6:36pm:

freediver wrote on Jan 6^th, 2017 at 5:38pm:

I was more specific. I directed you to the quote I was trying to get more explanation of. You disagreed with my paraphrasing of it and I asked you to clarify it. This is textbook effective communication methods Gandalf, but it needs you to play along.

It doesn't require communication FD, it requires you to comprehend the most straight forward English imaginable. See if you can get it this time:

Gandalf said:
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Muslims do pray 5 times (not 6) a day, and they do believe its the Islamic command to do so. That someone might consider these beliefs the beliefs of an idiot, does not make him a racist.

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I said the logic that "all muslims are stupid - because Islamic text is nonsensical (and only an idiot would believe it)" - is not racist.

FD bizarrely interprets that as:
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Muslims are stupid because you have to be to believe Islam - racist

Now if you then went on and said that the cause of their stupidity is inbreeding - then that would be racist.

Yes, G. FD did say that. God forbid it would be wacist.

He meant it in the nicest possible way.

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Reply #226 - Jan 7^th, 2017 at 8:08am

freediver wrote on Jan 6^th, 2017 at 8:29pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 4^th, 2017 at 7:17am:

No, you're not paying attention. I didn't say the stereotype "all muslims are stupid" - on its own is not racist. I said the logic that "all muslims are stupid - because Islamic text is nonsensical (and only an idiot would believe it)" - is not racist. Crude yes, ignorant yes - but not racist. Of course if you extend that logic to say that the only people who are naturally drawn to that nonsensical text are those that are inbred and therefore born retarded (ie "all muslims are retarded")- then it would become racist.

Gandalf, what is the distinction you are making here?

Do you still think "Arabia is for the Arabs" is not racist?

It is the distinction between making a judgment about the thought processes of someone who believes in "nonsensical text", and making a judgement about a group's innate, genetic disposition (they are all born retarded). The former is not inherently racist because it may be referring to someone who is wilfully stupid - like what soren/frank accuses me of being all the time. It makes no specific claims about the causes of that stupidity, and it is above all else a judgement about a person's choice to believe in a 'stupid' religion. Whereas the latter is 'racial' in the sense that it makes a blanket broad-stroke claim about the genetic inferiority that that they were born with, and can do nothing about to redeem themselves.

'Arabia for arabs' is not itself racist. If anything its a tautology.

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49371 At my desk.	Re: What is racism? Reply #227 - Jan 7^th, 2017 at 8:59am What if they were just born stupid - would that be racist? If someone said that people who are naturally intelligent and industrious become doctors, would that also be racist? Is it not possible for a tautology to be racist? Is "England is for the English" not racist because it is a tautology?
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Reply #228 - Jan 7^th, 2017 at 10:00am

freediver wrote on Jan 7^th, 2017 at 8:59am:

What if they were just born stupid - would that be racist?

If someone said that people who are naturally intelligent and industrious become doctors, would that also be racist?

Is it not possible for a tautology to be racist? Is "England is for the English" not racist because it is a tautology?

All good qwestions, FD, but you know what would be easier?

Confess. The truth shall set you free from such mindless, desperate tap dancing.

But I have a question. Why is it so important to you to deny your wacism?

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Reply #229 - Jan 7^th, 2017 at 10:15am

Karnal wrote on Jan 7^th, 2017 at 10:00am:

freediver wrote on Jan 7^th, 2017 at 8:59am:

What if they were just born stupid - would that be racist?

If someone said that people who are naturally intelligent and industrious become doctors, would that also be racist?

Is it not possible for a tautology to be racist? Is "England is for the English" not racist because it is a tautology?

Confess. The truth shall set you free f

Please do. Did you grow up in Houso or in the East Subs with a white butler named Jeeves? Grin

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Reply #230 - Jan 7^th, 2017 at 10:20am

Gordon wrote on Jan 7^th, 2017 at 10:15am:

Karnal wrote on Jan 7^th, 2017 at 10:00am:

freediver wrote on Jan 7^th, 2017 at 8:59am:

What if they were just born stupid - would that be racist?

If someone said that people who are naturally intelligent and industrious become doctors, would that also be racist?

Is it not possible for a tautology to be racist? Is "England is for the English" not racist because it is a tautology?

Confess. The truth shall set you free f

Please do. Did you grow up in Houso or in the East Subs with a white butler named Jeeves? Grin

That's a question.

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Reply #231 - Jan 7^th, 2017 at 10:21am

Karnal wrote on Jan 7^th, 2017 at 10:20am:

Gordon wrote on Jan 7^th, 2017 at 10:15am:

Karnal wrote on Jan 7^th, 2017 at 10:00am:

freediver wrote on Jan 7^th, 2017 at 8:59am:

What if they were just born stupid - would that be racist?

If someone said that people who are naturally intelligent and industrious become doctors, would that also be racist?

Is it not possible for a tautology to be racist? Is "England is for the English" not racist because it is a tautology?

Confess. The truth shall set you free f

Please do. Did you grow up in Houso or in the East Subs with a white butler named Jeeves? Grin

That's a question.

Yes, you told me a while ago you grew up in the East Subs and had a white house keeper, and just a few days ago you said you'd lived in houso. Please explain.

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Reply #232 - Jan 7^th, 2017 at 10:54am

Gordon wrote on Jan 7^th, 2017 at 10:21am:

Karnal wrote on Jan 7^th, 2017 at 10:20am:

Gordon wrote on Jan 7^th, 2017 at 10:15am:

Karnal wrote on Jan 7^th, 2017 at 10:00am:

freediver wrote on Jan 7^th, 2017 at 8:59am:

What if they were just born stupid - would that be racist?

If someone said that people who are naturally intelligent and industrious become doctors, would that also be racist?

Is it not possible for a tautology to be racist? Is "England is for the English" not racist because it is a tautology?

Confess. The truth shall set you free f

Please do. Did you grow up in Houso or in the East Subs with a white butler named Jeeves? Grin

That's a question.

Yes, you told me a while ago you grew up in the East Subs and had a white house keeper, and just a few days ago you said you'd lived in houso. Please explain.

Sorry, you'll have to set up another thread for that question, Gordon. It's a completely different topic - albeit an important one, I concede.

We wouldn't want to derail a thread on wacism, now would we?

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Reply #233 - Jan 7^th, 2017 at 11:06am

Karnal wrote on Jan 7^th, 2017 at 10:54am:

Gordon wrote on Jan 7^th, 2017 at 10:21am:

Karnal wrote on Jan 7^th, 2017 at 10:20am:

Gordon wrote on Jan 7^th, 2017 at 10:15am:

Karnal wrote on Jan 7^th, 2017 at 10:00am:

freediver wrote on Jan 7^th, 2017 at 8:59am:

What if they were just born stupid - would that be racist?

If someone said that people who are naturally intelligent and industrious become doctors, would that also be racist?

Is it not possible for a tautology to be racist? Is "England is for the English" not racist because it is a tautology?

Confess. The truth shall set you free f

Please do. Did you grow up in Houso or in the East Subs with a white butler named Jeeves? Grin

That's a question.

Yes, you told me a while ago you grew up in the East Subs and had a white house keeper, and just a few days ago you said you'd lived in houso. Please explain.

Sorry, you'll have to set up another thread for that question, Gordon. It's a completely different topic - albeit an important one, I concede.

We wouldn't want to derail a thread on wacism, now would we?

Lol ok. But how can we believe anything you say now?
Our trust has been broken

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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 96385	Re: What is racism? Reply #235 - Jan 7^th, 2017 at 11:12am Gordon wrote on Jan 7^th, 2017 at 11:07am: And was a biscuit really named after your dear grandma? Was it the golliwog? Start a thread with all your questions, dear. I answer all prayers. And she wasn't my grandma.
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Reply #236 - Jan 7^th, 2017 at 11:19am

Karnal wrote on Jan 7^th, 2017 at 11:12am:

Gordon wrote on Jan 7^th, 2017 at 11:07am:

And was a biscuit really named after your dear grandma? Was it the golliwog?

Start a thread with all your questions, dear. I answer all prayers.

And she wasn't my grandma.

You said she was. I'm disappointed, I know a few in that family, we may have bumped into each other at a family bbq. So was it houso or Dover Heights? Or did you live in houso in Dover Heights and scrimp your pennies together for white help?

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Reply #237 - Jan 7^th, 2017 at 11:36am

Gordon wrote on Jan 7^th, 2017 at 11:19am:

Karnal wrote on Jan 7^th, 2017 at 11:12am:

Gordon wrote on Jan 7^th, 2017 at 11:07am:

And was a biscuit really named after your dear grandma? Was it the golliwog?

Start a thread with all your questions, dear. I answer all prayers.

And she wasn't my grandma.

You said she was. I'm disappointed, I know a few in that family, we may have bumped into each other at a family bbq. So was it houso or Dover Heights? Or did you live in houso in Dover Heights and scrimp your pennies together for white help?

Open your thread. FD's answering questions now.

But an on-topic question for you, dear: why are you covering up wacism?

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Reply #238 - Jan 7^th, 2017 at 11:39am

Karnal wrote on Jan 7^th, 2017 at 11:36am:

Gordon wrote on Jan 7^th, 2017 at 11:19am:

Karnal wrote on Jan 7^th, 2017 at 11:12am:

Gordon wrote on Jan 7^th, 2017 at 11:07am:

And was a biscuit really named after your dear grandma? Was it the golliwog?

Start a thread with all your questions, dear. I answer all prayers.

And she wasn't my grandma.

You said she was. I'm disappointed, I know a few in that family, we may have bumped into each other at a family bbq. So was it houso or Dover Heights? Or did you live in houso in Dover Heights and scrimp your pennies together for white help?

Open your thread. FD's answering questions now.

But an on-topic question for you, dear: why are you covering up wacism?

I'm not racist. I'm culturist.
I never had a maid, did you?

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Reply #239 - Jan 7^th, 2017 at 11:43am

Gordon wrote on Jan 7^th, 2017 at 11:39am:

Karnal wrote on Jan 7^th, 2017 at 11:36am:

Gordon wrote on Jan 7^th, 2017 at 11:19am:

Karnal wrote on Jan 7^th, 2017 at 11:12am:

Gordon wrote on Jan 7^th, 2017 at 11:07am:

And was a biscuit really named after your dear grandma? Was it the golliwog?

Start a thread with all your questions, dear. I answer all prayers.

And she wasn't my grandma.

You said she was. I'm disappointed, I know a few in that family, we may have bumped into each other at a family bbq. So was it houso or Dover Heights? Or did you live in houso in Dover Heights and scrimp your pennies together for white help?

Open your thread. FD's answering questions now.

But an on-topic question for you, dear: why are you covering up wacism?

I'm not racist. I'm culturist.

Yes, that's probably what FD would say if he'd ever answer the wacism question. Let's ask:

FD, are you wacist or kulturalist?

Gordon's pretending to be the latter.

Kunning, no?

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