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Question: Is the statement is my signature racist?

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Re: What is racism?
Reply #240 - Jan 7th, 2017 at 11:49am
 
freediver wrote on Jan 7th, 2017 at 8:59am:
What if they were just born stupid - would that be racist?

If someone said that people who are naturally intelligent and industrious become doctors, would that also be racist?


Good grief do you actually listen to anything I say?

I explained that clearly - here it is again - most relevant parts higlighted:

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It is the distinction between making a judgment about the thought processes of someone who believes in "nonsensical text", and making a judgement about a group's innate, genetic disposition (they are all born retarded). The former is not inherently racist because it may be referring to someone who is wilfully stupid - like what soren/frank accuses me of being all the time. It makes no specific claims about the causes of that stupidity, and it is above all else a judgement about a person's choice to believe in a 'stupid' religion. Whereas the latter is 'racial' in the sense that it makes a blanket broad-stroke claim about the genetic inferiority that that they were born with, and can do nothing about to redeem themselves.


So if the statement that they were 'born stupid' is made in reference to a specific characteristic of "being muslim" (ie - all muslims are inbred, and therefore all stupid), then its racist.

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Is it not possible for a tautology to be racist? Is "England is for the English" not racist because it is a tautology?


Intuitively, if you live in England you are by definition "English" - regardless of culture, colour or creed. So in that sense it can't be racist - though I concede it could be a slogan for neo-nazis who consider "English" to mean "white".

In Aussies case, as I've already covered ad infinitum, his reference was clearly a critique of colonialism and other foreign meddling by western powers. In other contexts it could conceivably be a racist term. As I've already explained.
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Re: What is racism?
Reply #241 - Jan 7th, 2017 at 11:55am
 
Karnal wrote on Jan 7th, 2017 at 11:43am:
Gordon wrote on Jan 7th, 2017 at 11:39am:
Karnal wrote on Jan 7th, 2017 at 11:36am:
Gordon wrote on Jan 7th, 2017 at 11:19am:
Karnal wrote on Jan 7th, 2017 at 11:12am:
Gordon wrote on Jan 7th, 2017 at 11:07am:
And was a biscuit really named after your dear grandma? Was it the golliwog?


Start a thread with all your questions, dear. I answer all prayers.

And she wasn't my grandma.


You said she was.  I'm disappointed,  I know a few in that family, we may have bumped into each other at a family bbq. So was it houso or Dover Heights? Or did you live in houso in Dover Heights and scrimp your pennies together for white help? 


Open your thread. FD's answering questions now.

But an on-topic question for you, dear: why are you covering up wacism?


I'm not racist.  I'm culturist.


Yes, that's probably what FD would say if he'd ever answer the wacism question. Let's ask:

FD, are you wacist or kulturalist?

Gordon's pretending to be the latter.

Kunning, no?


I nearly married a secular muzzo, remember. 
I was attracted to her personality,  love of fine wine and a great set of tits which she had on display at Nth Bondi the very first time I met her.

If she had a twin sister who wore a burqa and had nher face planted in a Koran all day I'd want her deported.

There is nothing wrong with preferring one culture over another.


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Re: What is racism?
Reply #242 - Jan 7th, 2017 at 11:57am
 
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So if the statement that they were 'born stupid' is made in reference to a specific characteristic of "being muslim" (ie - all muslims are inbred, and therefore all stupid), then its racist.


What if the statement that they were 'born intelligent and industrious' is made in reference to a specific characteristic of "being a doctor" (ie - all doctors are born that way, therefor they are intelligent and industrious). Is that racist?

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Intuitively, if you live in England you are by definition "English" - regardless of culture, colour or creed. So in that sense it can't be racist - though I concede it could be a slogan for neo-nazis who consider "English" to mean "white".


What about when Aussie said that Arabia is for the Arabs? Do you think he meant Jewish immigrants to Israel should stay there because theya re now Arabs?

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In Aussies case, as I've already covered ad infinitum, his reference was clearly a critique of colonialism and other foreign meddling by western powers. In other contexts it could conceivably be a racist term. As I've already explained.


So it cannot be a racist term because it is a critique of colonialism? Are you arguing that it cannot possibly be racist because you agree that Arabia is for Arabs?

If an aboriginal said Australia is for Aborigines and it is time to bring an end to white colonialism, would that be racist?
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Reply #243 - Jan 7th, 2017 at 12:15pm
 
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Reply #244 - Jan 7th, 2017 at 2:11pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 7th, 2017 at 11:49am:
Intuitively, if you live in England you are by definition "English" - regardless of culture, colour or creed.


This is just too silly.
So what makes someone English if not culture??

Does everyone landing at Heathrow become English until they depart?  This is as stupid as the  'there are no races' argument.


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Re: What is racism?
Reply #245 - Jan 7th, 2017 at 3:03pm
 
Karnal wrote on Jan 7th, 2017 at 11:43am:
are you wacist or kulturalist?



If a white man slags off Islam he is racist but if an Indian slags it off with the same arguments, he is a culturalist.

So whether you are a racist or not depends on your race.   Now we know. Thank you linesmen, thank you ball boys.


VS Naipaul launches attack on Islam

Fiachra Gibbons, arts correspondent
Thursday 4 October 2001 20.16 AEST

The novelist VS Naipaul has caused an outcry by comparing the "calamitous effect" of Islam on the world with colonialism.

Sir Vidia, born in Trinidad of Indian parentage, who travelled extensively in the Muslim world for his books Among the Believers and Beyond Belief, launched his attack after a reading of his new book, Half a Life, at the Queen Elizabeth Hall in London.

Islam, he claimed, had both enslaved and attempted to wipe out other cultures."It has had a calamitous effect on converted peoples. To be converted you have to destroy your past, destroy your history. You have to stamp on it, you have to say 'my ancestral culture does not exist, it doesn't matter'."

Sir Vidia claimed what he called "this abolition of the self demanded by Muslims was worse than the similar colonial abolition of identity. It is much, much worse in fact... You cannot just say you came out of nothing."

He argued that Pakistan was the living proof of the damage Islam could wreak.
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Re: What is racism?
Reply #246 - Jan 7th, 2017 at 3:23pm
 
freediver wrote on Jan 7th, 2017 at 11:57am:
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So if the statement that they were 'born stupid' is made in reference to a specific characteristic of "being muslim" (ie - all muslims are inbred, and therefore all stupid), then its racist.


What if the statement that they were 'born intelligent and industrious' is made in reference to a specific characteristic of "being a doctor" (ie - all doctors are born that way, therefor they are intelligent and industrious). Is that racist?


No, FD, that's just dumb. It's only wacist if it asserts their inherent inferiority, as every schoolboy knows.

Now why would you be asking questions like this? I put it to you that you're attempting to divert from the real topic at hand: your own wacism.

How do you answer this claim?
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Re: What is racism?
Reply #247 - Jan 7th, 2017 at 4:13pm
 
Gordon wrote on Jan 7th, 2017 at 11:55am:
Karnal wrote on Jan 7th, 2017 at 11:43am:
Gordon wrote on Jan 7th, 2017 at 11:39am:
Karnal wrote on Jan 7th, 2017 at 11:36am:
Gordon wrote on Jan 7th, 2017 at 11:19am:
Karnal wrote on Jan 7th, 2017 at 11:12am:
Gordon wrote on Jan 7th, 2017 at 11:07am:
And was a biscuit really named after your dear grandma? Was it the golliwog?


Start a thread with all your questions, dear. I answer all prayers.

And she wasn't my grandma.


You said she was.  I'm disappointed,  I know a few in that family, we may have bumped into each other at a family bbq. So was it houso or Dover Heights? Or did you live in houso in Dover Heights and scrimp your pennies together for white help? 


Open your thread. FD's answering questions now.

But an on-topic question for you, dear: why are you covering up wacism?


I'm not racist.  I'm culturist.


Yes, that's probably what FD would say if he'd ever answer the wacism question. Let's ask:

FD, are you wacist or kulturalist?

Gordon's pretending to be the latter.

Kunning, no?


I nearly married a secular muzzo, remember. 
I was attracted to her personality,  love of fine wine and a great set of tits which she had on display at Nth Bondi the very first time I met her.

If she had a twin sister who wore a burqa and had nher face planted in a Koran all day I'd want her deported.

There is nothing wrong with preferring one culture over another.




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Re: What is racism?
Reply #248 - Jan 7th, 2017 at 4:36pm
 
freediver wrote on Jan 7th, 2017 at 11:57am:
What if the statement that they were 'born intelligent and industrious' is made in reference to a specific characteristic of "being a doctor" (ie - all doctors are born that way, therefor they are intelligent and industrious). Is that racist?


As K says, thats just dumb.

That said, it is true that racism can also be 'positive' - eg 'Asians are better than us at maths'

freediver wrote on Jan 7th, 2017 at 11:57am:
So it cannot be a racist term because it is a critique of colonialism? Are you arguing that it cannot possibly be racist because you agree that Arabia is for Arabs?


Aussie was not being racist because he was not making any claims about the inherent superiority or inferiority of any one cultural group over another. He was simply making a point about the turmoil and suffering that has been caused by western colonialism in the Arab homeland - and how it would have been best if that colonialism never happened. Same with your Aboriginal example - in that case the Aborginal is complaining about the destruction that white colonialism has reaped - and that he wants it to stop. Again, he is not asserting any superiority of his 'race' over whites, or vise-versa. He simply wants the suffering of his people to end.
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Reply #249 - Jan 7th, 2017 at 4:45pm
 
Frank wrote on Jan 7th, 2017 at 3:03pm:
Karnal wrote on Jan 7th, 2017 at 11:43am:
are you wacist or kulturalist?



If a white man slags off Islam he is racist but if an Indian slags it off with the same arguments, he is a culturalist.

So whether you are a racist or not depends on your race.   Now we know. Thank you linesmen, thank you ball boys.


I don't know why you'd make such a claim, old boy. Slagging off Islam is not in itself racist, as every schoolboy knows.

FD's argument, however, is most certainly racist. FD argues Islam is influenced by inbreeding. He even has a map. With this map, FD shows how the Middle Eastern and Central Asian races (all of them) are inbred and, by his definition, retarded. This is what he's arguing here.

Now, you admit to your racism, dear boy. You believe this is the sign of a healthy old boy. FD, however, is still coming to terms with his.

Is there anything you would advise FD to do to accept who he is and come out?
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Reply #250 - Jan 7th, 2017 at 4:54pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 7th, 2017 at 4:36pm:
freediver wrote on Jan 7th, 2017 at 11:57am:
What if the statement that they were 'born intelligent and industrious' is made in reference to a specific characteristic of "being a doctor" (ie - all doctors are born that way, therefor they are intelligent and industrious). Is that racist?


As K says, thats just dumb.

That said, it is true that racism can also be 'positive' - eg 'Asians are better than us at maths'


Ah yes, but this argument is only ever used by those who try to prove that the tinted races are worse than us at everything else.

Kunning, no?
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Reply #251 - Jan 7th, 2017 at 5:06pm
 
Karnal wrote on Jan 7th, 2017 at 4:54pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 7th, 2017 at 4:36pm:
freediver wrote on Jan 7th, 2017 at 11:57am:
What if the statement that they were 'born intelligent and industrious' is made in reference to a specific characteristic of "being a doctor" (ie - all doctors are born that way, therefor they are intelligent and industrious). Is that racist?


As K says, thats just dumb.

That said, it is true that racism can also be 'positive' - eg 'Asians are better than us at maths'


Ah yes, but this argument is only ever used by those who try to prove that the tinted races are worse than us at everything else.

Kunning, no?


Why are you so suburbist?
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Reply #252 - Jan 7th, 2017 at 6:11pm
 
Frank wrote on Jan 7th, 2017 at 2:11pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 7th, 2017 at 11:49am:
Intuitively, if you live in England you are by definition "English" - regardless of culture, colour or creed.


This is just too silly.
So what makes someone English if not culture??

Does everyone landing at Heathrow become English until they depart?  This is as stupid as the  'there are no races' argument.


As far as I'm concerned, an "English-person" is someone who permanently resides in England. I don't consider it a label of culture. I understand you vehemently disagree with this. Thats ok, I've debated this point ad-infinitum with your type, and I'd be surprised if you haven't debated this point ad-infinitum with my type. So don't think you are telling me something I haven't already heard 100 times before. Suffice to say I understand your point of view, and I hope you understand mine and we'll have to agree to disagree.
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Reply #253 - Jan 7th, 2017 at 6:23pm
 
Racism is just a catch word thrown around by lefties and subhumans who can't accept that whites are superior to all others.  Cool
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Reply #254 - Jan 7th, 2017 at 6:29pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 7th, 2017 at 6:11pm:
Frank wrote on Jan 7th, 2017 at 2:11pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 7th, 2017 at 11:49am:
Intuitively, if you live in England you are by definition "English" - regardless of culture, colour or creed.


This is just too silly.
So what makes someone English if not culture??

Does everyone landing at Heathrow become English until they depart?  This is as stupid as the  'there are no races' argument.


As far as I'm concerned, an "English-person" is someone who permanently resides in England. I don't consider it a label of culture. I understand you vehemently disagree with this. Thats ok, I've debated this point ad-infinitum with your type, and I'd be surprised if you haven't debated this point ad-infinitum with my type. So don't think you are telling me something I haven't already heard 100 times before. Suffice to say I understand your point of view, and I hope you understand mine and we'll have to agree to disagree.



I do not understand you point of view and I very much doubt that you do. You lost all your arguments along these lines, I am sure.

For example, if you reside in England but do not speak English but only some other language then you are not English. Or if you speak English but with an Australian or American accent - Clive James, say, or Kevin Spacey - you are not English either.

By your reckoning the only Jews are the ones residing in Israel and there are no Jews in England, nor Poles, Russians, Americans, Australians, Arabs, Chinese etc, except such that are tourists for a defined period.



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