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Reply #270 - Jan 7^th, 2017 at 7:24pm

Karnal wrote on Jan 7^th, 2017 at 7:23pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jan 7^th, 2017 at 7:20pm:

Karnal wrote on Jan 7^th, 2017 at 7:18pm:

Frank wrote on Jan 7^th, 2017 at 7:12pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 7^th, 2017 at 6:59pm:

Frank wrote on Jan 7^th, 2017 at 6:29pm:

I do not understand you point of view and I very much doubt that you do. You lost all your arguments along these lines, I am sure.

For example, if you reside in England but do not speak English but only some other language then you are not English. Or if you speak English but with an Australian or American accent - Clive James, say, or Kevin Spacey - you are not English either.

I've had this debate with someone before. I pointed out the absurdly arbitrary (and dare I say - racist) nature of this definition. For example, a black man who immigrates to England from the West Indies can never be 'English' because of where he was born - even if he takes up citizenship and adopts the English culture with gusto. Fair enough - its a chauvinist and unreasonable argument IMO, but it at least has some logic and I can understand it. But then he went on to say that not even his children, or his grandchildren - pretty much going on forever and ever - could ever be 'English' either. Why? Because they could never claim the heritage of an 'Englishman'. Whatever that means. Same deal with those with Pakistani or Indian or Arab etc heritage. So it then becomes nothing about self identity or the culture you adopt (as you seem to claim sometimes) - but purely about what 'race' you are born into. It is a blatantly racist approach specifically designed to keep identities like 'Englishman' or "Dutchman' or "Frenchman" an exclusive club, defined not by what culture you adopt, nor even where you were born - but whose genes you carry. It is a tool that literally has no other purpose than to maintain a stigma on certain minorities - to send the message loud and clear that 'you are not one of us' and therefore 'you are inferior to us'.

You hit he nail on the head despite yourself, Gandalf. Aboriginality is defined as being accepted by the Aboriginal community as being an Aboriginal, not by any other measure.

Yes, the Aboriginal community is quite arbitrary with who they define as Aboriginal, old chap.

You have to have an Aboriginal grandparent or be married/defactoed to an Aboriginal.

As arbitrary as getting a British passport, no?

Or be married/defactoed to an Aboriginal........

Really sweet cheeks?

Really. I wanted to join the Aboriginal Medical Centre once. This was the criteria for Aboriginal identification as defined by the Land Council at the time.

So if I marry an eskimo I become an eskimo, no? Huh

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Re: What is racism?
Reply #271 - Jan 7^th, 2017 at 7:25pm

Karnal wrote on Jan 7^th, 2017 at 7:23pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jan 7^th, 2017 at 7:20pm:

Karnal wrote on Jan 7^th, 2017 at 7:18pm:

Frank wrote on Jan 7^th, 2017 at 7:12pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 7^th, 2017 at 6:59pm:

Frank wrote on Jan 7^th, 2017 at 6:29pm:

I do not understand you point of view and I very much doubt that you do. You lost all your arguments along these lines, I am sure.

For example, if you reside in England but do not speak English but only some other language then you are not English. Or if you speak English but with an Australian or American accent - Clive James, say, or Kevin Spacey - you are not English either.

I've had this debate with someone before. I pointed out the absurdly arbitrary (and dare I say - racist) nature of this definition. For example, a black man who immigrates to England from the West Indies can never be 'English' because of where he was born - even if he takes up citizenship and adopts the English culture with gusto. Fair enough - its a chauvinist and unreasonable argument IMO, but it at least has some logic and I can understand it. But then he went on to say that not even his children, or his grandchildren - pretty much going on forever and ever - could ever be 'English' either. Why? Because they could never claim the heritage of an 'Englishman'. Whatever that means. Same deal with those with Pakistani or Indian or Arab etc heritage. So it then becomes nothing about self identity or the culture you adopt (as you seem to claim sometimes) - but purely about what 'race' you are born into. It is a blatantly racist approach specifically designed to keep identities like 'Englishman' or "Dutchman' or "Frenchman" an exclusive club, defined not by what culture you adopt, nor even where you were born - but whose genes you carry. It is a tool that literally has no other purpose than to maintain a stigma on certain minorities - to send the message loud and clear that 'you are not one of us' and therefore 'you are inferior to us'.

You hit he nail on the head despite yourself, Gandalf. Aboriginality is defined as being accepted by the Aboriginal community as being an Aboriginal, not by any other measure.

Yes, the Aboriginal community is quite arbitrary with who they define as Aboriginal, old chap.

You have to have an Aboriginal grandparent or be married/defactoed to an Aboriginal.

As arbitrary as getting a British passport, no?

Or be married/defactoed to an Aboriginal........

Really sweet cheeks?

Really. I wanted to join the Aboriginal Medical Centre once. This was the criteria for Aboriginal identification as defined by the Land Council at the time.

I gave an Aboriginal girl a gyno exam once.

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Reply #272 - Jan 7^th, 2017 at 7:25pm

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You have to have an Aboriginal grandparent or be married/defactoed to an Aboriginal.

Not so, Karnal. I have bragged about this before, but the accepted definition of 'who is an aboriginal' was coined by me back in the early 1970's at large meeting in Bundaberg (to sort out a local schite fight internal to an Abo Community Housing Scheme and who could benefit from it) in front of an ABC camera crew led by Kerry O'Brien. Just call it my legacy to Australia!

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Re: What is racism?
Reply #274 - Jan 7^th, 2017 at 7:34pm

Mr Hammer wrote on Jan 7^th, 2017 at 7:24pm:

Karnal wrote on Jan 7^th, 2017 at 7:23pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jan 7^th, 2017 at 7:20pm:

Karnal wrote on Jan 7^th, 2017 at 7:18pm:

Frank wrote on Jan 7^th, 2017 at 7:12pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 7^th, 2017 at 6:59pm:

Frank wrote on Jan 7^th, 2017 at 6:29pm:

I do not understand you point of view and I very much doubt that you do. You lost all your arguments along these lines, I am sure.

For example, if you reside in England but do not speak English but only some other language then you are not English. Or if you speak English but with an Australian or American accent - Clive James, say, or Kevin Spacey - you are not English either.

I've had this debate with someone before. I pointed out the absurdly arbitrary (and dare I say - racist) nature of this definition. For example, a black man who immigrates to England from the West Indies can never be 'English' because of where he was born - even if he takes up citizenship and adopts the English culture with gusto. Fair enough - its a chauvinist and unreasonable argument IMO, but it at least has some logic and I can understand it. But then he went on to say that not even his children, or his grandchildren - pretty much going on forever and ever - could ever be 'English' either. Why? Because they could never claim the heritage of an 'Englishman'. Whatever that means. Same deal with those with Pakistani or Indian or Arab etc heritage. So it then becomes nothing about self identity or the culture you adopt (as you seem to claim sometimes) - but purely about what 'race' you are born into. It is a blatantly racist approach specifically designed to keep identities like 'Englishman' or "Dutchman' or "Frenchman" an exclusive club, defined not by what culture you adopt, nor even where you were born - but whose genes you carry. It is a tool that literally has no other purpose than to maintain a stigma on certain minorities - to send the message loud and clear that 'you are not one of us' and therefore 'you are inferior to us'.

You hit he nail on the head despite yourself, Gandalf. Aboriginality is defined as being accepted by the Aboriginal community as being an Aboriginal, not by any other measure.

Yes, the Aboriginal community is quite arbitrary with who they define as Aboriginal, old chap.

You have to have an Aboriginal grandparent or be married/defactoed to an Aboriginal.

As arbitrary as getting a British passport, no?

Or be married/defactoed to an Aboriginal........

Really sweet cheeks?

Really. I wanted to join the Aboriginal Medical Centre once. This was the criteria for Aboriginal identification as defined by the Land Council at the time.

So if I marry an eskimo I become an eskimo, no? Huh

Strange, isn't it? If that non-Paki neighbour of yours marries another non-Paki, he/she becomes an Australian too.

A non-Paki and an Australian. A bit like moi, no?

The funny thing about the indigenous races is how they copy Whitey's rules. You know, they call themselves nations, have procedures for identification that mimic national citizenship - some Aboriginal communities even have passports. And yes, marry a Boong, and you get to become a Boong too.

My Scottish grandfather came from a clanless family. He married my grandmother, a McNeil. He was subsequently allowed to wear the McNeil tartan, as can I, as their jolly Australian, non-Paki grandson.

It is a jolly world, no?

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Reply #275 - Jan 7^th, 2017 at 7:37pm

Karnal wrote on Jan 7^th, 2017 at 7:34pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jan 7^th, 2017 at 7:24pm:

Karnal wrote on Jan 7^th, 2017 at 7:23pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jan 7^th, 2017 at 7:20pm:

Karnal wrote on Jan 7^th, 2017 at 7:18pm:

Frank wrote on Jan 7^th, 2017 at 7:12pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 7^th, 2017 at 6:59pm:

Frank wrote on Jan 7^th, 2017 at 6:29pm:

I do not understand you point of view and I very much doubt that you do. You lost all your arguments along these lines, I am sure.

For example, if you reside in England but do not speak English but only some other language then you are not English. Or if you speak English but with an Australian or American accent - Clive James, say, or Kevin Spacey - you are not English either.

I've had this debate with someone before. I pointed out the absurdly arbitrary (and dare I say - racist) nature of this definition. For example, a black man who immigrates to England from the West Indies can never be 'English' because of where he was born - even if he takes up citizenship and adopts the English culture with gusto. Fair enough - its a chauvinist and unreasonable argument IMO, but it at least has some logic and I can understand it. But then he went on to say that not even his children, or his grandchildren - pretty much going on forever and ever - could ever be 'English' either. Why? Because they could never claim the heritage of an 'Englishman'. Whatever that means. Same deal with those with Pakistani or Indian or Arab etc heritage. So it then becomes nothing about self identity or the culture you adopt (as you seem to claim sometimes) - but purely about what 'race' you are born into. It is a blatantly racist approach specifically designed to keep identities like 'Englishman' or "Dutchman' or "Frenchman" an exclusive club, defined not by what culture you adopt, nor even where you were born - but whose genes you carry. It is a tool that literally has no other purpose than to maintain a stigma on certain minorities - to send the message loud and clear that 'you are not one of us' and therefore 'you are inferior to us'.

You hit he nail on the head despite yourself, Gandalf. Aboriginality is defined as being accepted by the Aboriginal community as being an Aboriginal, not by any other measure.

Yes, the Aboriginal community is quite arbitrary with who they define as Aboriginal, old chap.

You have to have an Aboriginal grandparent or be married/defactoed to an Aboriginal.

As arbitrary as getting a British passport, no?

Or be married/defactoed to an Aboriginal........

Really sweet cheeks?

Really. I wanted to join the Aboriginal Medical Centre once. This was the criteria for Aboriginal identification as defined by the Land Council at the time.

So if I marry an eskimo I become an eskimo, no? Huh

Strange, isn't it? If that non-Paki neighbour of yours marries another non-Paki, he/she becomes an Australian too.

A non-Paki and an Australian. A bit like moi, no?

The funny thing about the indigenous races is how they copy Whitey's rules. You know, they call themselves nations, have procedures for identification that mimic national citizenship - some Aboriginal communities even have passports. And yes, marry a Boong, and you get to become a Boong too.

My Scottish grandfather came from a clanless family. He married my grandmother, a McNeil. He was subsequently allowed to wear the McNeil tartan, as can I, as their jolly Australian, non-Paki grandson.

It is a jolly world, no?

Australians are the people who have been out here for generations building up our country dear. Being an Australian takes time and input. My next door neighbour is a self confessed blow in paki living in Australia. Like you.

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Re: What is racism?
Reply #276 - Jan 7^th, 2017 at 7:41pm

Karnal wrote on Jan 7^th, 2017 at 7:34pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jan 7^th, 2017 at 7:24pm:

Karnal wrote on Jan 7^th, 2017 at 7:23pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jan 7^th, 2017 at 7:20pm:

Karnal wrote on Jan 7^th, 2017 at 7:18pm:

Frank wrote on Jan 7^th, 2017 at 7:12pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 7^th, 2017 at 6:59pm:

Frank wrote on Jan 7^th, 2017 at 6:29pm:

I do not understand you point of view and I very much doubt that you do. You lost all your arguments along these lines, I am sure.

For example, if you reside in England but do not speak English but only some other language then you are not English. Or if you speak English but with an Australian or American accent - Clive James, say, or Kevin Spacey - you are not English either.

I've had this debate with someone before. I pointed out the absurdly arbitrary (and dare I say - racist) nature of this definition. For example, a black man who immigrates to England from the West Indies can never be 'English' because of where he was born - even if he takes up citizenship and adopts the English culture with gusto. Fair enough - its a chauvinist and unreasonable argument IMO, but it at least has some logic and I can understand it. But then he went on to say that not even his children, or his grandchildren - pretty much going on forever and ever - could ever be 'English' either. Why? Because they could never claim the heritage of an 'Englishman'. Whatever that means. Same deal with those with Pakistani or Indian or Arab etc heritage. So it then becomes nothing about self identity or the culture you adopt (as you seem to claim sometimes) - but purely about what 'race' you are born into. It is a blatantly racist approach specifically designed to keep identities like 'Englishman' or "Dutchman' or "Frenchman" an exclusive club, defined not by what culture you adopt, nor even where you were born - but whose genes you carry. It is a tool that literally has no other purpose than to maintain a stigma on certain minorities - to send the message loud and clear that 'you are not one of us' and therefore 'you are inferior to us'.

You hit he nail on the head despite yourself, Gandalf. Aboriginality is defined as being accepted by the Aboriginal community as being an Aboriginal, not by any other measure.

Yes, the Aboriginal community is quite arbitrary with who they define as Aboriginal, old chap.

You have to have an Aboriginal grandparent or be married/defactoed to an Aboriginal.

As arbitrary as getting a British passport, no?

Or be married/defactoed to an Aboriginal........

Really sweet cheeks?

Really. I wanted to join the Aboriginal Medical Centre once. This was the criteria for Aboriginal identification as defined by the Land Council at the time.

So if I marry an eskimo I become an eskimo, no? Huh

Strange, isn't it? If that non-Paki neighbour of yours marries another non-Paki, he/she becomes an Australian too.

A non-Paki and an Australian. A bit like moi, no?

The funny thing about the indigenous races is how they copy Whitey's rules. You know, they call themselves nations, have procedures for identification that mimic national citizenship - some Aboriginal communities even have passports. And yes, marry a Boong, and you get to become a Boong too.

My Scottish grandfather came from a clanless family. He married my grandmother, a McNeil. He was subsequently allowed to wear the McNeil tartan, as can I, as their jolly Australian, non-Paki grandson.

It is a jolly world, no?

Tribes within a ethnic group (Scottish) is a bit different to peoples born out of 1,000's years of isolated evolution. If you aren't an abbo then you aren't an abbo. fullstop!!

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Reply #277 - Jan 7^th, 2017 at 7:44pm

Mr Hammer wrote on Jan 7^th, 2017 at 7:33pm:

My belief- if you aren't a 100% jet black abbo living on the land and speaking the tongue then you aren't a abbo.

Abbos don't believe that, dear.

Mind you, some believe that if you aren't a long-term unemployed public Housing tenant who lives with his mum and does nothing but complain, you aren't a Homo.

Different strokes for different folks, innit.

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Reply #278 - Jan 7^th, 2017 at 7:47pm

Karnal wrote on Jan 7^th, 2017 at 7:44pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jan 7^th, 2017 at 7:33pm:

My belief- if you aren't a 100% jet black abbo living on the land and speaking the tongue then you aren't a abbo.

Abbos don't believe that, dear.

Mind you, some believe that if you aren't a long-term unemployed public Housing tenant who lives with his mum and does nothing but complain, you aren't a Homo.

See , I believe if you aren't a paki doormat copping a slap across the face for not taking it in the ass you aren't a Karnal.

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Reply #279 - Jan 7^th, 2017 at 8:03pm

Mr Hammer wrote on Jan 7^th, 2017 at 7:47pm:

Karnal wrote on Jan 7^th, 2017 at 7:44pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jan 7^th, 2017 at 7:33pm:

My belief- if you aren't a 100% jet black abbo living on the land and speaking the tongue then you aren't a abbo.

Abbos don't believe that, dear.

Mind you, some believe that if you aren't a long-term unemployed public Housing tenant who lives with his mum and does nothing but complain, you aren't a Homo.

See , I believe if you aren't a paki doormat copping a slap across the face for not taking it in the ass you aren't a Karnal.

The difference between you and I, Homo, is that you do the taking. You have to.

You're not firm enough to give it, dear.

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Reply #280 - Jan 7^th, 2017 at 8:11pm

Mr Hammer wrote on Jan 7^th, 2017 at 7:33pm:

My belief- if you aren't a 100% jet black abbo living on the land and speaking the tongue then you aren't a abbo. If you are a one quarter percent wannabee living in a house and getting your food from Woolworths you are a 1st world consuming douche like the rest of us. Suck it up and move on.

Such a narrow-minded viewpoint there, Rhino. Considering the degree of intermarriage between Whites and Indigenous Australians... Roll Eyes

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Someone said we could not judge a person's Aboriginality on their skin colour. Why isn't that applied in the matter of Pascoe? Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

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Reply #281 - Jan 7^th, 2017 at 8:12pm

Karnal wrote on Jan 7^th, 2017 at 8:03pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jan 7^th, 2017 at 7:47pm:

Karnal wrote on Jan 7^th, 2017 at 7:44pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jan 7^th, 2017 at 7:33pm:

My belief- if you aren't a 100% jet black abbo living on the land and speaking the tongue then you aren't a abbo.

Abbos don't believe that, dear.

Mind you, some believe that if you aren't a long-term unemployed public Housing tenant who lives with his mum and does nothing but complain, you aren't a Homo.

See , I believe if you aren't a paki doormat copping a slap across the face for not taking it in the ass you aren't a Karnal.

The difference between you and I, Homo, is that you do the taking. You have to.

You're not firm enough to give it, dear.

You are crumbling dear. You always take this oz politics sense of elevation. Now you are acting like a tit for tat punk. Karnal is getting angry and her barely adequate psychic defences are crumbling!!! Grin

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Reply #282 - Jan 7^th, 2017 at 8:17pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 7^th, 2017 at 8:11pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jan 7^th, 2017 at 7:33pm:

My belief- if you aren't a 100% jet black abbo living on the land and speaking the tongue then you aren't a abbo. If you are a one quarter percent wannabee living in a house and getting your food from Woolworths you are a 1st world consuming douche like the rest of us. Suck it up and move on.

Such a narrow-minded viewpoint there, Rhino. Considering the degree of intermarriage between Whites and Indigenous Australians... Roll Eyes

To tell you the truth aborigines and their crap bore me rigid. I wish it would just disappear. It's boring and goes on year after year. You do-gooders do your best to whip this dead horse into enough life to keep it mildly relevant to the Australian people. You better start whipping some bloody flesh because people are rapidly not giving a crap.

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Reply #283 - Jan 7^th, 2017 at 8:22pm

Mr Hammer wrote on Jan 7^th, 2017 at 8:17pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 7^th, 2017 at 8:11pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jan 7^th, 2017 at 7:33pm:

My belief- if you aren't a 100% jet black abbo living on the land and speaking the tongue then you aren't a abbo. If you are a one quarter percent wannabee living in a house and getting your food from Woolworths you are a 1st world consuming douche like the rest of us. Suck it up and move on.

Such a narrow-minded viewpoint there, Rhino. Considering the degree of intermarriage between Whites and Indigenous Australians... Roll Eyes

To tell you the truth aborigines and their crap bore me rigid. I wish it would just disappear. It's boring and goes on year after year. You do-gooders do your best to whip this dead horse into enough life to keep it mildly relevant to the Australian people. You better start whipping some bloody flesh because people are rapidly not giving a crap.

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Someone said we could not judge a person's Aboriginality on their skin colour. Why isn't that applied in the matter of Pascoe? Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

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Reply #284 - Jan 7^th, 2017 at 8:26pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 7^th, 2017 at 8:22pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jan 7^th, 2017 at 8:17pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 7^th, 2017 at 8:11pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jan 7^th, 2017 at 7:33pm:

My belief- if you aren't a 100% jet black abbo living on the land and speaking the tongue then you aren't a abbo. If you are a one quarter percent wannabee living in a house and getting your food from Woolworths you are a 1st world consuming douche like the rest of us. Suck it up and move on.

Such a narrow-minded viewpoint there, Rhino. Considering the degree of intermarriage between Whites and Indigenous Australians... Roll Eyes

To tell you the truth aborigines and their crap bore me rigid. I wish it would just disappear. It's boring and goes on year after year. You do-gooders do your best to whip this dead horse into enough life to keep it mildly relevant to the Australian people. You better start whipping some bloody flesh because people are rapidly not giving a crap.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/128170/2467911-yawn_20smiley.jpg

No answer so you put up a boring sign. Why should your average Australian mortgage paying 50 hour a week slave Australian give a crap what the aboriginal people do? They are doing their best just to keep their heads above water. It's you upstarts who give a crap.

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