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Reply #420 - Jan 13^th, 2017 at 6:26pm

Aussie wrote on Jan 11^th, 2017 at 9:15pm:

Clever buggers weren't they. Drew a map more than 2000 years ago. Even gave bits names you recognise.

Yev convinced me, Soren.

Er... the Roman drew those maps.

The Roman province of Judea (Hebrew: יהודה, Standard Yehuda Tiberian Yehûḏāh; Arabic: يهودا‎‎; Greek: Ἰουδαία; Latin: Iūdaea), sometimes spelled in its original Latin forms of Judæa, Judaea or Iudaea to distinguish it from the geographical region of Judea, incorporated the regions of Judea, Samaria and Idumea, and extended over parts of the former regions of the Hasmonean and Herodian kingdoms of Israel. It was named after Herod Archelaus's Tetrarchy of Judea, but the Roman province encompassed a much larger territory. The name "Judea" was derived from the Kingdom of Judah of the 6th century BCE.
Judea province was the scene of unrest at its founding in 6 CE during the Census of Quirinius and several wars were fought in its history, known as the Jewish–Roman wars. The Temple was destroyed in 70 CE as part of the Great Jewish Revolt resulting in the institution of the Fiscus Judaicus, and after Bar Kokhba's revolt (132–135), the Roman Emperor Hadrian changed the name of the province to Syria Palaestina and Jerusalem to Aelia Capitolina, which certain scholars conclude was an attempt to remove the relationship of the Jewish people to the region.

Clever Roman, what? Destroying the Jews but somehow thinking ahead and covering for them. Typical Italians, eh?

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Aussie Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 38839 Gender:	Re: What is racism? Reply #421 - Jan 13^th, 2017 at 6:40pm Quote: Er... the Roman drew those maps. Horseshit. Look at the map....recognise the non 'Roman' words there?
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Reply #422 - Jan 13^th, 2017 at 6:51pm

Aussie wrote on Jan 11^th, 2017 at 8:33pm:

freediver wrote on Jan 11^th, 2017 at 8:21pm:

So not recognising Israel is your idea for stability and peace?

Would you recognise Israel if they got rid of the European Jews?

If the artificially created 'State of Israel' moved to Tasmania, I too would be a happy little vegemite.

What have you got against Tasmania? It is far better than that crappy sliver of land the new 'Jacob Come Lately' Israelis find too small that they have to invade neighbours ~ because they can with Western donated money and hardware.

Nah. Arabia is for Arabs. Newbie, coat-tail, 'Jacob' (black, white, brindle, red, orange and green etc) can ferk off.

Arabs are the invading land-grabbers across the Middle East.

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Frank Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 47525 Gender:	Re: What is racism? Reply #423 - Jan 13^th, 2017 at 6:55pm Aussie wrote on Jan 13^th, 2017 at 6:40pm: Quote: Er... the Roman drew those maps. Horseshit. Look at the map....recognise the non 'Roman' words there? Yeah, they are Hebrew words. Like Jerusalem.
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Reply #424 - Jan 13^th, 2017 at 7:48pm

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2. definitions of "race" in the context of being "racist", therefore are entirely fabricated constructs, true only in the mind of the racist. Though it doesn't make the phenomenon of 'racism' any less real. 'Racial markers' for the purposes of racism, could be just about anything that allow the racist to homogenise the target group, and use that 'outgroup homogeneity' to denigrate the group. Examples include hindus with BO, arabs who are lazy and lack initiative and yes, muslims who are inbred and (therefore) stupid.

29 pages in to the thread that you started on 'what is racism' and you still cannot give a clear answer. Does this mean 'Muslim' is a race for the purpose of racism if people use it as an outgroup? Do you have to add the inbred bit? You said earlier that it 'could' be a racial marker - what would make it one?

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Reply #425 - Jan 13^th, 2017 at 8:12pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 13^th, 2017 at 3:30pm:

freediver wrote on Jan 13^th, 2017 at 12:56pm:

Gandalf, what is the race, and what is the marker for the race? Is a "marker for a race" simply a group that is not actually a race - eg a religion, a profession, stupid people, inbred people etc? Or is it a reference to an actual race - eg using Muslim when you really mean Arab?

1. there are no "actual races" - I've only pointed this out about 100 times now.

2. definitions of "race" in the context of being "racist", therefore are entirely fabricated constructs, true only in the mind of the racist. Though it doesn't make the phenomenon of 'racism' any less real. 'Racial markers' for the purposes of racism, could be just about anything that allow the racist to homogenise the target group, and use that 'outgroup homogeneity' to denigrate the group. Examples include hindus with BO, arabs who are lazy and lack initiative and yes, muslims who are inbred and (therefore) stupid.

freediver wrote on Jan 13^th, 2017 at 12:56pm:

If he is deliberately including white people, how is it a marker for a race?

How on earth can he say "all muslim (males) are inbred" while simultaneously referring to people he knows are not inbred?

Is your argument that its nonsensical and contradictory - and therefore not racist?

Muslim Arabs have a negative cultural influence on every Western country they migrate to. That's the long and the short of all this argy-bargy, Gandalf - how does an evidently superior culture, the West, resist an evidently inferior culture, Islam, without appearing impolite.
It's an impossibility, Gandalf, I am telling you.

Islam is an inferior culture in every aspect- but we pretend it isn't because most Muslims are also afflicted with a 'racial' identity which they mine and exploit to the fullest extent. You are a case in point precisely because you are white. You are sensitive to Muslim race because you a white Muslim.

But Islam would be as inferior if it was entirely and exclusively an Icelandic creed. Islam is a bad creed not because most of its adherents are non-white but because it IS a bad creed. You just divert from the badness of the creed by endless reference to 'race'. A ginger Muslim is as stupid and misguided as a dark one. It's the creed, stupid, not the race.

Is it coincidence or causation that the vast majority of Muslims are coloured? Islam doesn't make you coloured. Whites do not succumb to Islam anywhere near the rate coloured peoples have been. Cultural resistance or racial? Why don't darker people resist Islam the same way?
Does melanin and a flat nose and thick dark hair make you susceptible to Islam?

You are white. What made you submit to such an obviously silly creed? I am guessing resentment towards what you grew up in.

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Re: What is racism?
Reply #426 - Jan 14^th, 2017 at 10:06am

freediver wrote on Jan 13^th, 2017 at 7:48pm:

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2. definitions of "race" in the context of being "racist", therefore are entirely fabricated constructs, true only in the mind of the racist. Though it doesn't make the phenomenon of 'racism' any less real. 'Racial markers' for the purposes of racism, could be just about anything that allow the racist to homogenise the target group, and use that 'outgroup homogeneity' to denigrate the group. Examples include hindus with BO, arabs who are lazy and lack initiative and yes, muslims who are inbred and (therefore) stupid.

29 pages in to the thread that you started on 'what is racism' and you still cannot give a clear answer. Does this mean 'Muslim' is a race for the purpose of racism if people use it as an outgroup? Do you have to add the inbred bit? You said earlier that it 'could' be a racial marker - what would make it one?

You're not even trying FD.

Muslim is a "race" for the purposes of racism if racists ascribe racial markers to them- like 'all muslims are inbred and therefore retarded', 'all muslims are sand-n******' etc

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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49368 At my desk.	Re: What is racism? Reply #427 - Jan 14^th, 2017 at 10:13am So Muslim is a racial marker if it is associated with racial markers like being inbred or stupid? Do any of these markers for markers for race ever link back to race? Or is it an infinite circle? Is it racist to say that people who are born stupid are more likely to adopt Islam?
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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: What is racism? Reply #428 - Jan 14^th, 2017 at 4:25pm keep working on it FD, you'll get it eventually... maybe...
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Reply #429 - Jan 14^th, 2017 at 5:42pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 14^th, 2017 at 10:06am:

freediver wrote on Jan 13^th, 2017 at 7:48pm:

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2. definitions of "race" in the context of being "racist", therefore are entirely fabricated constructs, true only in the mind of the racist. Though it doesn't make the phenomenon of 'racism' any less real. 'Racial markers' for the purposes of racism, could be just about anything that allow the racist to homogenise the target group, and use that 'outgroup homogeneity' to denigrate the group. Examples include hindus with BO, arabs who are lazy and lack initiative and yes, muslims who are inbred and (therefore) stupid.

29 pages in to the thread that you started on 'what is racism' and you still cannot give a clear answer. Does this mean 'Muslim' is a race for the purpose of racism if people use it as an outgroup? Do you have to add the inbred bit? You said earlier that it 'could' be a racial marker - what would make it one?

You're not even trying FD.

Muslim is a "race" for the purposes of racism if racists ascribe racial markers to them- like 'all muslims are inbred and therefore retarded', 'all muslims are sand-n******' etc

SO then Nazism is a "race" for the purposes of racism if racists ascribe racial markers to them- like 'all Nazis are blonde goosteppers and therefore retarded', 'all Nazis are lederhosen-ninnies' etc"

Or Buddhism is a "race" for the purposes of racism if racists ascribe racial markers to them- like 'all Buddhists are vegetarian lotus eaters and therefore retarded', 'all Buddhists are saffron-clad ninnies' etc"

You are really - really - objecting to being compared to "nigg@rs". That's what you can't actually stand.

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Reply #430 - Jan 14^th, 2017 at 6:17pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 14^th, 2017 at 10:06am:

Muslim is a "race" for the purposes of racism if racists ascribe racial markers to them- like 'all muslims are inbred and therefore retarded', 'all muslims are sand-n******' etc

Well, let's say, for the sake of fairness, that you are right.
Except it wouldn't apply to white Muslims like the Bosnians. Nobody would call a Bosnian a sand ninny even though half of them are Muslims. But they are not Muslims like the Indonesians or the Sudanese or the Pakistanis or Arabs.

Why are white Muslims not as hideous in their views as the Muslims who exhibit ... er... how to say... 'racial markers'?

Bosnians are subjugated Christians while Pakistanis are subjugated Hindus and assorted other tribes of the 'racial marker' variety. Bosnian Muslims identify as Europeans. Having a culture tempers their Muslim excesses.
Pakistanis - who used to be Hindus and etc - have violently renounced their own cultures and embraces, with the fervour of the convert, an alien culture, Islam. The same sort of thing can be observed in all the conquered people under Islam - except the whites in Bosnia and to some extent in Albania. They see the Arab as inferior while the Indians (never short of crazy things to worship - or Indonesians and Malays might see him as superior.

Here's my thesis - white Europeans will not let go of their inherited civilisation when they convert to Islam as readily and completely as non-Europeans do. In a paradoxical way, white Muslims want to be better Europeans when they convert. Coloured people want to shed the suffocating primitivism of their cultures when they convert to Islam, Christianity, whatever.

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Reply #431 - Jan 14^th, 2017 at 6:44pm

"Race" is a social construct, Frank. There is more differences Genetically within each so-called "racial" group than between them. You have failed to present any arguments that show there are any Genes that determine whether you are a member of one "racial" group or another. In reality there is only one race - the Human one and we are all members of it. You are exactly the same, except for superficial external characteristics which have evolved to cope with local conditions as every other human.

Time you faced the Genetic facts, Frank. You are Genetically identical to every other human being. Roll Eyes

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Reply #432 - Jan 15^th, 2017 at 1:43pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 14^th, 2017 at 6:44pm:

"Race" is a social construct, Frank. There is more differences Genetically within each so-called "racial" group than between them. You have failed to present any arguments that show there are any Genes that determine whether you are a member of one "racial" group or another. In reality there is only one race - the Human one and we are all members of it. You are exactly the same, except for superficial external characteristics which have evolved to cope with local conditions as every other human.

Time you faced the Genetic facts, Frank. You are Genetically identical to every other human being. Roll Eyes

You tell someone's race by looking at them, not by looking at their genes. You recognise that someone is an Aborigine, white, African, Indian, whatever, without seeing their genes. You can tell if someone is tall or short, blue eyed, blonde or ginger, without seeing their genes.

You go to Africa or India and you will see that the people look very different to what you will see in Europe (except London, of course).

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Reply #433 - Jan 15^th, 2017 at 1:49pm

'Race' is nothing.

Moslems will 'LAWFULLY' slaughter a person of ANY race, if he offends Allah's perfect religion.

IT IS TRUE!!!! 110%

This is the imperative which every moslem agrees with [gives their own power to].

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Google;

islam, unbelief is worse than killing

i.e.
ISLAM teaches the moslem, that it is lawful to kill ANYONE if killing that person/persons is done in 'defence' of ISLAM.

THAT IS TRUE!!!! 110%

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Reply #434 - Jan 15^th, 2017 at 4:25pm

Frank wrote on Jan 15^th, 2017 at 1:43pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 14^th, 2017 at 6:44pm:

"Race" is a social construct, Frank. There is more differences Genetically within each so-called "racial" group than between them. You have failed to present any arguments that show there are any Genes that determine whether you are a member of one "racial" group or another. In reality there is only one race - the Human one and we are all members of it. You are exactly the same, except for superficial external characteristics which have evolved to cope with local conditions as every other human.

Time you faced the Genetic facts, Frank. You are Genetically identical to every other human being. Roll Eyes

You tell someone's race by looking at them, not by looking at their genes. You recognise that someone is an Aborigine, white, African, Indian, whatever, without seeing their genes. You can tell if someone is tall or short, blue eyed, blonde or ginger, without seeing their genes.

You go to Africa or India and you will see that the people look very different to what you will see in Europe (except London, of course).

So, according to you, it's just skin colour/shape of a person's eyes/thickness of their lips/etc., Frank?

Are these just superficial, environmental adaptations?

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There is NO Genetic difference between these people, Frank. Time you woke up to the 21st century and left your 19th century beliefs behind! Roll Eyes

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