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Reply #435 - Jan 15^th, 2017 at 4:29pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 15^th, 2017 at 4:25pm:

Frank wrote on Jan 15^th, 2017 at 1:43pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 14^th, 2017 at 6:44pm:

"Race" is a social construct, Frank. There is more differences Genetically within each so-called "racial" group than between them. You have failed to present any arguments that show there are any Genes that determine whether you are a member of one "racial" group or another. In reality there is only one race - the Human one and we are all members of it. You are exactly the same, except for superficial external characteristics which have evolved to cope with local conditions as every other human.

Time you faced the Genetic facts, Frank. You are Genetically identical to every other human being. Roll Eyes

You tell someone's race by looking at them, not by looking at their genes. You recognise that someone is an Aborigine, white, African, Indian, whatever, without seeing their genes. You can tell if someone is tall or short, blue eyed, blonde or ginger, without seeing their genes.

You go to Africa or India and you will see that the people look very different to what you will see in Europe (except London, of course).

So, according to you, it's just skin colour/shape of a person's eyes/thickness of their lips/etc., Frank?

Are these just superficial, environmental adaptations?

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There is NO Genetic difference between these people, Frank. Time you woke up to the 21st century and left your 19th century beliefs behind! Roll Eyes

They look as they do because they have inherited, though their genes, their appearances. Well, they are not white or Chinese. Anybody can see that.

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Re: What is racism?
Reply #436 - Jan 15^th, 2017 at 4:31pm

Frank wrote on Jan 15^th, 2017 at 4:29pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 15^th, 2017 at 4:25pm:

Frank wrote on Jan 15^th, 2017 at 1:43pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 14^th, 2017 at 6:44pm:

"Race" is a social construct, Frank. There is more differences Genetically within each so-called "racial" group than between them. You have failed to present any arguments that show there are any Genes that determine whether you are a member of one "racial" group or another. In reality there is only one race - the Human one and we are all members of it. You are exactly the same, except for superficial external characteristics which have evolved to cope with local conditions as every other human.

Time you faced the Genetic facts, Frank. You are Genetically identical to every other human being. Roll Eyes

You tell someone's race by looking at them, not by looking at their genes. You recognise that someone is an Aborigine, white, African, Indian, whatever, without seeing their genes. You can tell if someone is tall or short, blue eyed, blonde or ginger, without seeing their genes.

You go to Africa or India and you will see that the people look very different to what you will see in Europe (except London, of course).

So, according to you, it's just skin colour/shape of a person's eyes/thickness of their lips/etc., Frank?

Are these just superficial, environmental adaptations?

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There is NO Genetic difference between these people, Frank. Time you woke up to the 21st century and left your 19th century beliefs behind! Roll Eyes

They look as they do because they have inherited, though their genes, their appearances. Well, they are not white or Chinese. Anybody can see that.

Genetically they are identical, Frank. IDENTICAL. They all share the same Genetic mix and the same Genes. Roll Eyes

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Reply #437 - Jan 15^th, 2017 at 4:38pm

Look, Brian, genetically identical girls!!

You stupid ass.
Why is there 'Black lives matter", why is there bellyaching about not enough blacks at the Oscars or on Australian TV???

Why are blacks always bellyaching about racism if there is no such thing as race??? Why is gandalf bellyaching about racism against Muslims if there is no such thing as race?

You can see that there are racially different people, you can see it at a glance? Why pretend otherwise? Your so addled by PC, Brian, you would pretend that there is no racial difference between those two girls above.

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Brian Ross Gold Member Offline Representative of me Posts: 42285	Re: What is racism? Reply #438 - Jan 15^th, 2017 at 4:50pm They share identical Genes, Frank. Otherwise, they would not be members of the Homo Sapiens Sapiens species, the only Human Race. They are superficially different. Just as are all Humans.
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Reply #439 - Jan 15^th, 2017 at 5:41pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 15^th, 2017 at 4:50pm:

They are superficially different. Just as are all Humans.

Why is there 'Black lives matter", why is there bellyaching about not enough blacks at the Oscars or on Australian TV???
Why are blacks always bellyaching about racism superficial differences if there is no such thing as race superficial differences??? Why is gandalf bellyaching about racism superficial differences regarding Muslims?

You can see that there are racially different people, you can see it at a glance. They are not superficial, they go to the heart of identity. Why pretend otherwise? You are so addled by PC, Brian, you would pretend that there is no racial difference between those two girls above, only superficial differences.

Say to a group of white guys, 'Come on, boys, lets go', and say the same to a bunch of blacks and see what happens.

Superficial differences. You are such ridiculous PC ass, Brian.

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Reply #440 - Jan 15^th, 2017 at 6:24pm

Frank wrote on Jan 15^th, 2017 at 5:41pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 15^th, 2017 at 4:50pm:

They are superficially different. Just as are all Humans.

Why is there 'Black lives matter", why is there bellyaching about not enough blacks at the Oscars or on Australian TV???
Why are blacks always bellyaching about racism superficial differences if there is no such thing as race superficial differences??? Why is gandalf bellyaching about racism superficial differences regarding Muslims?

Because as I keep saying, Frank, "race is a social construct" and it has social consequences. People like you like to over-emphasis the issue of "race". Often to the detriment of innocent people.

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You can see that there are racially different people, you can see it at a glance. They are not superficial, they go to the heart of identity. Why pretend otherwise? You are so addled by PC, Brian, you would pretend that there is no racial difference between those two girls above, only superficial differences.

There are more differences between individuals than the different "racial" groups, Frank. Roll Eyes

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Frank Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 47525 Gender:	Re: What is racism? Reply #441 - Jan 15^th, 2017 at 8:21pm Brian Ross wrote on Jan 15^th, 2017 at 6:24pm: There are more differences between individuals than the different "racial" groups, Frank. Which does not mean, of course, that therefore there is no difference between racial groups. If I didn't know better I'd say you are stupid on purpose.
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Reply #442 - Jan 15^th, 2017 at 8:47pm

Frank wrote on Jan 15^th, 2017 at 8:21pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 15^th, 2017 at 6:24pm:

There are more differences between individuals than the different "racial" groups, Frank. Roll Eyes

Which does not mean, of course, that therefore there is no difference between racial groups.

If I didn't know better I'd say you are stupid on purpose.

Oh, dearie, dearie me, Frank. The differences are minor and statistically insignificant and are centred around susceptibility to Genetic disorders. No one is denying that Black Africans are more susceptible to sickle-cell anaemia or Asians to Alcohol flush reaction for example. What is being denied is that these Genetic disorders define what an individual is. Further, individuals in all "races" suffer from the same problems, just less commonly. Keep trying though, to backtrack, Frank. It's amusing to watch you. Roll Eyes

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Reply #443 - Jan 15^th, 2017 at 9:09pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 15^th, 2017 at 8:47pm:

Frank wrote on Jan 15^th, 2017 at 8:21pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 15^th, 2017 at 6:24pm:

There are more differences between individuals than the different "racial" groups, Frank. Roll Eyes

Which does not mean, of course, that therefore there is no difference between racial groups.

If I didn't know better I'd say you are stupid on purpose.

Oh, dearie, dearie me, Frank. The differences are minor and statistically insignificant and are centred around susceptibility to Genetic disorders. No one is denying that Black Africans are more susceptible to sickle-cell anaemia or Asians to Alcohol flush reaction for example. What is being denied is that these Genetic disorders define what an individual is. Further, individuals in all "races" suffer from the same problems, just less commonly. Keep trying though, to backtrack, Frank. It's amusing to watch you. Roll Eyes

No difference. They are all white supremacists. No genetic difference so it's all OK.

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Reply #444 - Jan 15^th, 2017 at 11:20pm

Frank wrote on Jan 15^th, 2017 at 9:09pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 15^th, 2017 at 8:47pm:

Frank wrote on Jan 15^th, 2017 at 8:21pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 15^th, 2017 at 6:24pm:

There are more differences between individuals than the different "racial" groups, Frank. Roll Eyes

Which does not mean, of course, that therefore there is no difference between racial groups.

If I didn't know better I'd say you are stupid on purpose.

Oh, dearie, dearie me, Frank. The differences are minor and statistically insignificant and are centred around susceptibility to Genetic disorders. No one is denying that Black Africans are more susceptible to sickle-cell anaemia or Asians to Alcohol flush reaction for example. What is being denied is that these Genetic disorders define what an individual is. Further, individuals in all "races" suffer from the same problems, just less commonly. Keep trying though, to backtrack, Frank. It's amusing to watch you. Roll Eyes

No difference. They are all white supremacists. No genetic difference so it's all OK.

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You appear unable to differentiate between Genetics and "politics", Frank. What hope is there for you? Roll Eyes

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Reply #445 - Jan 16^th, 2017 at 11:50am

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polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 14^th, 2017 at 10:06am:

freediver wrote on Jan 13^th, 2017 at 7:48pm:

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2. definitions of "race" in the context of being "racist", therefore are entirely fabricated constructs, true only in the mind of the racist. Though it doesn't make the phenomenon of 'racism' any less real. 'Racial markers' for the purposes of racism, could be just about anything that allow the racist to homogenise the target group, and use that 'outgroup homogeneity' to denigrate the group. Examples include hindus with BO, arabs who are lazy and lack initiative and yes, muslims who are inbred and (therefore) stupid.

29 pages in to the thread that you started on 'what is racism' and you still cannot give a clear answer. Does this mean 'Muslim' is a race for the purpose of racism if people use it as an outgroup? Do you have to add the inbred bit? You said earlier that it 'could' be a racial marker - what would make it one?

You're not even trying FD.

Muslim is a "race" for the purposes of racism if racists ascribe racial markers to them- like 'all muslims are inbred and therefore retarded', 'all muslims are sand-n******' etc

SO then Nazism is a "race" for the purposes of racism if racists ascribe racial markers to them- like 'all Nazis are blonde goosteppers and therefore retarded', 'all Nazis are lederhosen-ninnies' etc"

Or Buddhism is a "race" for the purposes of racism if racists ascribe racial markers to them- like 'all Buddhists are vegetarian lotus eaters and therefore retarded', 'all Buddhists are saffron-clad ninnies' etc"

by gosh I think you might be getting it Frank. Think about it - if an Indian or someone from sub-Saharan Africa derives their understanding of what a 'European' is by looking at Anders Brievik and his ilk, and archival footage of blonde SS soldiers goose-stepping in tune to violent nazi propaganda - then that is ascribing racial markers to 'European' - ie tall, blonde, lilly white, as well as fanatical, intolerant and violent. And yes, they may well use 'European' and 'Nazi' interchangeably. And when they do this, they completely dismiss all the Europeans who obviously aren't blonde nazis, and thereby removing any diversity within the population. They have then homogenised the population of Europe with 'racial markers' - for the purpose of fearing and/or hating them.

It is a textbook example of racism.

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Reply #446 - Jan 16^th, 2017 at 12:05pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 14^th, 2017 at 4:25pm:

keep working on it FD, you'll get it eventually... maybe...

I already know what racism is Gandalf. But no-one, not even you, knows what you think racism is. Hence your 30 pages of changing stories and non-answers. Based on your latest version, "doctors are intelligent" would be blatant racism. It is a statement of superiority, which you now insist is the deciding factor, and because the term doctor is used to homogenise it becomes a marker for a race. Or a marker for a marker.

Whereas by your definition "kick all non-whites out of England for purely historical reasons" is not racist.

The only thing you have been consistent in is racialising criticism of Islam so you can prop up the Islamic victimhood industry.

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Reply #447 - Jan 16^th, 2017 at 12:23pm

Frank wrote on Jan 14^th, 2017 at 6:17pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 14^th, 2017 at 10:06am:

Muslim is a "race" for the purposes of racism if racists ascribe racial markers to them- like 'all muslims are inbred and therefore retarded', 'all muslims are sand-n******' etc

Well, let's say, for the sake of fairness, that you are right.
Except it wouldn't apply to white Muslims like the Bosnians. Nobody would call a Bosnian a sand ninny even though half of them are Muslims. But they are not Muslims like the Indonesians or the Sudanese or the Pakistanis or Arabs.

Thats the whole point of racism Frank - racists don't take into account the exceptions to their broad-brushing, stereotypes. Thats why 'all muslims are sand-n***** (or 'all inbred', 'all retarded' - whatever you want) *IS* racist - precisely because its demonstrably not true, and the racist is too bigoted and/or ignorant to understand this. Poor FD couldn't seem to comprehend this key point - thinking that this contradictory thinking somehow proved it wasn't racist (yeah, go figure). Denying a 'race' their diversity is the hallmark of the racist - and its precisely how 'races' are fabricated in the first place - basing them on misconceptions, ignorant broad-stroking and outright lies.

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Why are white Muslims not as hideous in their views as the Muslims who exhibit ... er... how to say... 'racial markers'?

Bosnians are subjugated Christians while Pakistanis are subjugated Hindus and assorted other tribes of the 'racial marker' variety. Bosnian Muslims identify as Europeans. Having a culture tempers their Muslim excesses.
Pakistanis - who used to be Hindus and etc - have violently renounced their own cultures and embraces, with the fervour of the convert, an alien culture, Islam. The same sort of thing can be observed in all the conquered people under Islam - except the whites in Bosnia and to some extent in Albania. They see the Arab as inferior while the Indians (never short of crazy things to worship - or Indonesians and Malays might see him as superior.

Here's my thesis - white Europeans will not let go of their inherited civilisation when they convert to Islam as readily and completely as non-Europeans do. In a paradoxical way, white Muslims want to be better Europeans when they convert. Coloured people want to shed the suffocating primitivism of their cultures when they convert to Islam, Christianity, whatever.

oh my, I can see why Karnal has so much fun with you.

Do you have any notion of just how blatantly racist that 'thesis' is?

tinted muslims = the most hideous and violent
white muslims = tempered and constrained by their "whiteness"

Of course your racism isn't the same as say moses' racism: instead of dismissing all muslims as the one hideous, murderous, low intellect monolith - you distinguish between 'white' and 'tinted' muslims. Your rants against muslims are really just a rather crude cover for your objection to tinted people in general. Your 'target race' is 'tinted' rather than 'muslim'. If anything its an even more blatant form of racism - given that you are broad-stroking a population that is far bigger and more far reaching than just the muslims.

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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Reply #448 - Jan 16^th, 2017 at 5:27pm

THOSE RACISTS ARE EVERYWHERE!!!!!

More anti-moslem racists being slammed on Facebook, after yet another person tried to pull off the hijab of a muslima in Minneapolis, USA.

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By Robert Spencer on Jan 15, 2017 10:15 pm

Minneapolis: Video of Muslima fighting boy who tried to pull off her hijab was hoax

“The video, titled ‘Welcome to Washburn,’ has gone viral since it was posted to Facebook, with more than 6.5 million views, more than 161,000 shares and more than 29,000 comments — many supporting the girl, who appears to be defending herself.”

There’s just one problem: this is yet another “anti-Muslim hate crime” that didn’t really.....

Google

That NSW muslima Carnita Matthews certainly gets around!

Now she's in the USA. !!!!!!

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Media claims “spike” in hate crimes against Muslims, FBI shows       anti-Jewish attacks over twice more common

Louisiana:    Hijab-wearing Muslima    fabricated story of attack by Trump supporters

Another fake hate crime: “No evidence” Muslim child was attacked on bus in NC

Coincidence: Muslim who claims he was randomly punched in DC happens to be Muslim Brotherhood-linked activist

New York: Muslim woman set on fire not hate crime,       attacker targeted non-Muslims also

Oklahoma:    Muslim charged in terrorism hoax after sending white powder to mosque

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Saudi-sponsored Georgetown report grossly inflates hate crimes against Muslims in US
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Brooklyn: Muslim teens beaten outside mosque          may have sexually assaulted man’s girlfriend

Why Canadian media went silent after Islamophobia hate crime headline hullaballoo [ As it turns out, the attacker needed an interpreter when she appeared in court, a Farsi interpreter. Farsi is the predominant language in Iran, suggesting that the attacker was Muslim herself. ]

Video: Robert Spencer on Hamas-linked CAIR’s promotion of hate crime hoaxes

Seattle: Death of Muslim teen touted as hate crime          was really an accident

Italy: Muslim migrant teen caught             sending anonymous hate letters to herself

Germany:          Muslim “refugee”       admits to setting shelter on fire, spray-painting swastikas to frame “far-right”

Robert Spencer, FP: Perps of ‘Far-Right’ Hit-and-Run on Muslim Woman          Were Muslims

Another fake “Islamophobia” claim:       Muslima admits       she lied about being slashed and called “terrorist” in NYC

“Islamophobic hate crime”       turns into Muslim terrorist investigation    [It turns out that the murderer of Jalal Uddin was not an “Islamophobe,” as had originally been thought, but a supporter of the Islamic State who opposed Jalal Uddin’s “efforts to turn youngsters away from radical Islam.”]

UK imam’s killer turns out to be             Muslim

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Florida man could get life in prison for mosque bacon attack    [yeah!!! in this case, HE, was a non-moslem!]
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Michigan Muslima       fabricated “Islamophobic” plot to bomb majority-Muslim high school

UK:          Muslim woman          fined for lying about being attacked for wearing hijab

Houston: Man charged with setting mosque fire was          devout Muslim       regular attendee

Suspect charged in “anti-Muslim hate crime” touted by Hamas-linked CAIR is named.....       Mohamed

Israel:          Muslim          fakes hate attack by “extremist Jews”

[in US....]
Half of Democrats support laws curtailing the freedom of speech
   [coz we don't want to hear 'slanderous' accusations like these, against 'innocent' moslems]

Google those article title lines, or look here

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https://www.jihadwatch.org/category/hate-crimes

https://www.jihadwatch.org/category/hate-crimes/page/2

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Re: What is racism?
Reply #449 - Jan 16^th, 2017 at 7:49pm

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Thats the whole point of racism Frank - racists don't take into account the exceptions to their broad-brushing, stereotypes. Thats why 'all muslims are sand-n***** (or 'all inbred', 'all retarded' - whatever you want) *IS* racist - precisely because its demonstrably not true

I asked you before whether you were introducing truth as a criteria for racism. You previously said superiority was the deciding factor. Are you making it all up as you go Gandalf?

Does this reflect your definition of racism Gandalf -->>>

All doctors are intelligent - racist

Kick all non-white people out of England for purely historical (not superiority) reasons - not racist.

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