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Re: What is racism?
Reply #585 - Jan 24^th, 2017 at 12:34pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 24^th, 2017 at 6:36am:

freediver wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2017 at 8:29pm:

You have retreated to a circular definition of racism.

lol retreated? Can you quote me suggesting anything contrary? How, prey tell, to you define racism if not by what the racist thinks? This should be good.

I do not have to identify a person as racist in order to define racism.

Gandalf, your latest version of 'what is racism' appears to be based on a deciding factor of superiority, except that the deciding factor for whether something is based on superiority is not whether it is actually based on superiority, but whether you think it is racism. Hence in the previous example if the word "white" is used, it is definitely racist in your view, therefor it is based on superiority, therefor it is racist. But if a geographical ancestry is used instead of a skin colour, it is not necessarily racist.

Do you see the problem yet?

The actual deciding factor appears to be the limitations of your imagination. If you cannot think of, or accept, a motivation other than superiority/overt racism, then you project whatever motivations you need in order to make it fit your definition of racism. You reject the full spectrum of human thought and motivation and replace it with your "broad brush". Your definition is not based on whether what people actually say is racist, or even if their actual motivation is racist, but your own efforts to promote bigoted opinions like "all Islamophobia is based on racism".

This is how you cheapen the experience of the genuine victims of racism, by highjacking racism to promote the Islamic victimhood industry.

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Re: What is racism?
Reply #586 - Jan 24^th, 2017 at 4:07pm

freediver wrote on Jan 24^th, 2017 at 12:34pm:

you project whatever motivations you need in order to make it fit your definition of racism. You reject the full spectrum of human thought and motivation and replace it with your "broad brush". Your definition is not based on whether what people actually say is racist, or even if their actual motivation is racist, but your own efforts to promote bigoted opinions like "all Islamophobia is based on racism".

ok then FD, on what part of the "spectrum" of human thought and motivation does racism fit on, in your view? When is reference to skin colour in the same breath as demanding they be "kicked out" racist, and when is it not racist - in your view? Why is "arabia for arabs" a case of "blatant racism" - even when it is uttered in the context of foreign occupation and meddling? In what circumstances, if any, could "arabia for arabs" not be racism?

Is there a "definining factor" in determining what is and isn't racism in your view?

I'm genuinely interested - you've spent so much time talking about what racism isn't, we haven't really heard FD's thoughts on what makes a racist statement racist.

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: What is racism? Reply #587 - Jan 24^th, 2017 at 4:11pm For example... Fuzzball wrote on Jan 21^st, 2017 at 1:44pm: He looks like a typical camel shagging, little boy molesting rag head, speaks in a manner not unlike haemorrhoid. Must have the same DNA..... racist or no? Thoughts on why it is or isn't racist?
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Re: What is racism?
Reply #588 - Jan 24^th, 2017 at 5:09pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 24^th, 2017 at 4:07pm:

freediver wrote on Jan 24^th, 2017 at 12:34pm:

you project whatever motivations you need in order to make it fit your definition of racism. You reject the full spectrum of human thought and motivation and replace it with your "broad brush". Your definition is not based on whether what people actually say is racist, or even if their actual motivation is racist, but your own efforts to promote bigoted opinions like "all Islamophobia is based on racism".

ok then FD, on what part of the "spectrum" of human thought and motivation does racism fit on, in your view? When is reference to skin colour in the same breath as demanding they be "kicked out" racist, and when is it not racist - in your view? Why is "arabia for arabs" a case of "blatant racism" - even when it is uttered in the context of foreign occupation and meddling? In what circumstances, if any, could "arabia for arabs" not be racism?

Arabia for Arabs treats cheapens the racist experience of decent white people everywhere, G.

Just imagine Uncle and Mother being told to go home and meddle in their own affairs. How rude.

No one has the right to not be offended, but Arab apologists like Aussie can re-traumatize the victims of such racism.

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Re: What is racism?
Reply #589 - Jan 24^th, 2017 at 7:21pm

One example of racism is the kind that is intended to lift the social status of indigenous Australians by foisting upon an incredulous public a white person of majority Caucasian blood - as being 'aboriginal'.

This liberal-progressive nonsense has now reached the stage of utter farce.

'A Southern Cross University law student, who worked as a florist for 16 years and overcame personal tragedy during her studies, has been named National Indigenous Law Student of the Year'.

Yeah, right.

And I'm Dr. Phu Manchu's great grandson.

... dear O dear O dear ...

Isn't there enough bullshit in this world without it becoming official policy?

Jesus, give us strength

Abo kids ...

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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 96294 Gender:	Re: What is racism? Reply #590 - Jan 24^th, 2017 at 8:21pm Careful, Herbie, black, white and yellow people don't exist, so it can hardly be racist. According to FD, you're off the hook. FD, do we still have Boongs? How about decent white people everywhere? Please explain.
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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: What is racism? Reply #591 - Jan 25^th, 2017 at 6:41am I think I'm getting the picture here: While racism for spineless apologists and muslims is a tool to fuel the Islamic vitcimhood industry - on the other hand, racism to Herb and FD is about standing up for decent white people everywhere. Sorry, wacism
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Re: What is racism?
Reply #592 - Jan 25^th, 2017 at 7:31am

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 25^th, 2017 at 6:41am:

I think I'm getting the picture here:

While racism for spineless apologists and muslims is a tool to fuel the Islamic vitcimhood industry - on the other hand, racism to Herb and FD is about standing up for decent white people everywhere.

Sorry, wacism

This sort of thing Gandalf?

"new Swedes"

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Brian Ross on why Muslims kill Quote:-" It appears to be a cultural thing, rather than something they have learnt from their religion, despite what you appear to believe."

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Re: What is racism?
Reply #593 - Jan 25^th, 2017 at 8:35am

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 25^th, 2017 at 6:41am:

I think I'm getting the picture here:

While racism for spineless apologists and muslims is a tool to fuel the Islamic vitcimhood industry - on the other hand, racism to Herb and FD is about standing up for decent white people everywhere.

Sorry, wacism

Aha. I think you've got it.

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Reply #594 - Jan 25^th, 2017 at 10:53am

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 25^th, 2017 at 6:41am:

I think I'm getting the picture here:

While racism for spineless apologists and muslims is a tool to fuel the Islamic vitcimhood industry - on the other hand, racism to Herb and FD is about standing up for decent white people everywhere.

Sorry, wacism

Bigoted Aussie redneck in action:

Woman captured on camera abusing a Muslim student wearing a niqab: ‘Take it off, you terrorist’

Racial attack outside Macquarie University in Sydney's northwest

A WOMAN has been caught on camera allegedly abusing a Muslim student wearing a niqab at a Sydney university, calling her a ‘Muslim terrorist’ and demanding she take off her veil.

Ramzy Alamudi posted the shocking video on Facebook, saying he was shocked by what happened about 1pm last Friday at Macquarie University, where his wife attends.

“As we entered the car, my wife (who wears an Islamic veil — niqab) decides to smile politely and wave innocently at the lady assuming everything was good ... This is where the entire situation just turned upside down,” Mr Alamudi wrote.

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/woman-captured-on-camera-abusing-a-mus...

Wacism, eh?

Grin

(and how can you tell if she was smiling under the niqab?)

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Re: What is racism?
Reply #595 - Jan 25^th, 2017 at 11:04am

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 25^th, 2017 at 6:41am:

I think I'm getting the picture here:

While racism for spineless apologists and muslims is a tool to fuel the Islamic vitcimhood industry - on the other hand, racism to Herb and FD is about standing up for decent white people everywhere.

Sorry, wacism

Now you're just being petulant.

Racism only referred to skin-colour and ethnic physiognomy in my day, but that was before the West became swamped with Leftwing liberal-progressives in every nook and cranny of society.

Criticising another's religion or culture is now considered to be racist - providing the target person or community is non-White and from the Third World.

Utter balderdash of course, but millions of school-children in the West have since been sucking up this Leftwing re-jigging of the original meaning, as gospel fact.

There's going to be a hell of a ruckus when my mob takes over power in such places as Britain where there's an enormous Standing Army of public servants, teachers, civil servants, politicians, university academics and the rest who have been conspiring to murder the Britain that the Battle Of Britain was intending to save.

Genuinely, heads will roll.

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Re: What is racism?
Reply #596 - Jan 25^th, 2017 at 12:12pm

Frank wrote on Jan 25^th, 2017 at 10:53am:

Wacism, eh?

Grin

(and how can you tell if she was smiling under the niqab?)

This Chinese woman should be on Australia Day billboards as a balance to the hijab kids.

The rich tapestry of our Multiculturalism.

It's ironic that a woman attending the highest seat of learning - a university - in order to get an education, is wearing a cloth version of Ned Kelly's mask.

I kid you not when I say I'd have them deported straight back to the Middle East as TOTALLY inappropriate to be our fellow-citizens.

As the Chinese woman said through the car window : "Phuk Off!"

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Re: What is racism?
Reply #597 - Jan 25^th, 2017 at 9:36pm

Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 25^th, 2017 at 11:04am:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 25^th, 2017 at 6:41am:

I think I'm getting the picture here:

While racism for spineless apologists and muslims is a tool to fuel the Islamic vitcimhood industry - on the other hand, racism to Herb and FD is about standing up for decent white people everywhere.

Sorry, wacism

Now you're just being petulant.

Racism only referred to skin-colour and ethnic physiognomy in my day, but that was before the West became swamped with Leftwing liberal-progressives in every nook and cranny of society.

Criticising another's religion or culture is now considered to be racist - providing the target person or community is non-White and from the Third World.

Utter balderdash of course, but millions of school-children in the West have since been sucking up this Leftwing re-jigging of the original meaning, as gospel fact.

There's going to be a hell of a ruckus when my mob takes over power in such places as Britain where there's an enormous Standing Army of public servants, teachers, civil servants, politicians, university academics and the rest who have been conspiring to murder the Britain that the Battle Of Britain was intending to save.

Genuinely, heads will roll.

Not at all, Herbie. Anti-Semite, anti-Wog, and especially, anti-Irish sentiment was rife in your day.

Forgotten, have you?

Never mind. For FD, it's not about skin colour at all. White, black, brown, yellow - people aren't really these colours, and therefore not a race.

Which means you're not racist, dear.

I know I know, don't shoot the messenger, Herb. FD said it. You, Sprint, Moses, Homo, the old boy and, of course, FD himself.

Not racist.

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Re: What is racism?
Reply #598 - Jan 26^th, 2017 at 5:20am

Karnal wrote on Jan 25^th, 2017 at 9:36pm:

Not at all, Herbie. Anti-Semite, anti-Wog, and especially, anti-Irish sentiment was rife in your day.

Actually, not true, Old Bean. There were Jews, Negroes, Chinese, and Arabs at my school, and during 7 years I never once witnessed a single word against them.

The anti-Irish prejudice is a myth you've soaked up from the government's binding treaty with the Northern Irish who themselves insisted the British remain there as a military policing force, and meanwhile, a national poll found that 84% of the British public wanted the government to ignore the treaty and withdraw all forces from the six counties of Ulster.

And at that time the British workforce was flooded with Irish from the Deep South of the republic, with every second village girl over in England having abortions because it was illegal in Eire.

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Re: What is racism?
Reply #599 - Jan 26^th, 2017 at 7:54am

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When is reference to skin colour in the same breath as demanding they be "kicked out" racist, and when is it not racist - in your view?

It is always racist Gandalf.

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Why is "arabia for arabs" a case of "blatant racism" - even when it is uttered in the context of foreign occupation and meddling?

Because justifying racism does not make it not racism.

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In what circumstances, if any, could "arabia for arabs" not be racism?

None that I can think of.

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Is there a "definining factor" in determining what is and isn't racism in your view?

Race.

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I'm genuinely interested - you've spent so much time talking about what racism isn't, we haven't really heard FD's thoughts on what makes a racist statement racist.

I have given plenty of counterexamples, and you have picked over a few.

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