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Re: What is racism?
Reply #615 - Jan 28^th, 2017 at 11:18am

freediver wrote on Jan 28^th, 2017 at 11:00am:

So tell me, if an African village of Muslims started marrying their cousins and having inbred babies, and so did a European and an Asian one, would the three lots of inbred offspring become the same race?

"A" subgroup of low intelligent beings FD, not 3. Or shall we ask moses if by "a subgroup" he really meant 3? Better same than sorry eh.

freediver wrote on Jan 28^th, 2017 at 11:00am:

You said subspecies Gandalf. You lied. Inbred is not a race or a subspecies.

good pickup FD. I can totally see that there is a world of difference between declaring muslims a "subspecies" characterised by inbreeding and low intelligence, and declaring them a "subgroup of low intelligent beings [due to inbreeding]".

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Reply #616 - Jan 28^th, 2017 at 11:32am

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"A" subgroup of low intelligent beings FD, not 3.

Yes. A group. Not a race. Not a subspecies. Right?

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Or shall we ask moses if by "a subgroup" he really meant 3?

What a brilliant idea Gandalf. Let's ask Moses what he meant.

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I can totally see that there is a world of difference between declaring muslims a "subspecies" characterised by inbreeding and low intelligence, and declaring them a "subgroup of low intelligent beings [due to inbreeding]".

If an African village of Muslims started marrying their cousins and having inbred babies, and so did a European and an Asian one, would the three lots of inbred offspring become the same subspecies?

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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: What is racism? Reply #617 - Jan 28^th, 2017 at 4:06pm FD, do you still insist that the quote in my sig is not racist? Try and say no with a straight face - even for you that should be a challenge.
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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 96250 Gender:	Re: What is racism? Reply #618 - Jan 28^th, 2017 at 4:21pm freediver wrote on Jan 28^th, 2017 at 11:00am: Now if you really wanted Moses' opinion on what Moses meant, you could ask in a thread that he is still participating in. Forget Moses, FD, let's ask you. Do you agree with Moses? A simple yes or no will suffice.
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Reply #619 - Jan 28^th, 2017 at 10:17pm

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FD, do you still insist that the quote in my sig is not racist?

Yes Gandalf. Inbred is not a race, remember? Muslims could inbreed themselves in a single generation, and outbreed themselves in the next, if the chose to do so. Of course, if you think Moses meant something other than what he said, you could always ask him, but for some reason you are remarkably reluctant to do so. All that effort to find a good quote of Moses being racist, but you still cannot bring yourself to ask.

Can you tell the difference between shared ancestry and shared ideological support for incest?

Are you still trying to redefine racism, or are your efforts to find genuine racism is Moses' posts an acknowledgement that you were wrong to do so and that your efforts merely cheapened the experience of the genuine victims of racism?

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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: What is racism? Reply #620 - Jan 29^th, 2017 at 6:52am Good point FD, why didn't I think of that. ehem... moses, are you racist? Are your comments about inbred, low intelligent muslims racist? I'm sure he'll fess up anytime now...
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49277 At my desk.	Re: What is racism? Reply #621 - Jan 29^th, 2017 at 7:27am You insist Moses meant a subspecies. Have you asked him whether that is what he meant? Can you tell the difference between shared ancestry and shared ideological support for incest? Are you still trying to redefine racism?
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Re: What is racism?
Reply #622 - Jan 29^th, 2017 at 7:49am

Karnal wrote on Jan 28^th, 2017 at 4:21pm:

freediver wrote on Jan 28^th, 2017 at 11:00am:

Now if you really wanted Moses' opinion on what Moses meant, you could ask in a thread that he is still participating in.

Forget Moses, FD, let's ask you.

Do you agree with Moses?

A simple yes or no will suffice.

I cant believe they have a direct line to Moses..

what ever did he do to deserve that?>..

this would have to be the most boring of places for him to contact.. Sad

Im not sure I believe that!

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Re: What is racism?
Reply #623 - Jan 29^th, 2017 at 8:53am

freediver wrote on Jan 29^th, 2017 at 7:27am:

Can you tell the difference between shared ancestry and shared ideological support for incest?

Ah, of course, when he says "inbred themselves into a subgroup of low intelligence beings", he really means "shared ideological support for incest". Should we ask him to confirm that as well?

Do you at least concede there is a genetic element to moses' "subgroup of low intelligence beings" he calls muslims? At what point does a comment about a "subgroup's" genetic inferiority become racist? Moses, feel free to jump in and clarify that too - FD gets upset if I leave you out.

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: What is racism? Reply #624 - Jan 29^th, 2017 at 8:55am Hi Cods, what do you reckon - is saying that "muslims have inbred themselves into a subgroup of low intelligence beings" racist?
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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: What is racism? Reply #625 - Jan 29^th, 2017 at 9:05am poll added
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Re: What is racism?
Reply #626 - Jan 29^th, 2017 at 12:17pm

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Ah, of course, when he says "inbred themselves into a subgroup of low intelligence beings", he really means "shared ideological support for incest". Should we ask him to confirm that as well?

You can create low intelligence humans in a single generation of incest Gandalf. Can you tell the difference between that and race?

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Do you at least concede there is a genetic element to moses' "subgroup of low intelligence beings" he calls muslims?

Of course. Just like there is for Downs Syndrome and a thousand other things that have nothing at all to do with race. I have explained this before Gandalf.

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At what point does a comment about a "subgroup's" genetic inferiority become racist?

I refer you to my definition of race above.

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Moses, feel free to jump in and clarify that too - FD gets upset if I leave you out.

That's the spirit Gandalf. Now you only have to figure out a way to draw Moses' attention to your 'reinterpretation' of his post.

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Re: What is racism?
Reply #627 - Jan 29^th, 2017 at 1:56pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2017 at 6:37pm:

Frank wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2017 at 8:57pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2017 at 6:38am:

Karnal wrote on Jan 21^st, 2017 at 10:21pm:

Frank wrote on Jan 21^st, 2017 at 10:03pm:

Aussie wrote on Jan 21^st, 2017 at 9:59pm:

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Why not get rid of everyone who wants a caliphate...

Excellent idea. What question will we ask of whom, do you suggest?

You just need to look at them.

Strange. I could have sworn FD said exactly the same thing a few posts back.

A few months back. He was describing his self-described "non-religiously discriminatory" immigration policy. He said we should target those who "appear to be muslim" and test them on whether or not their religious beliefs are compatible.

...and yes, he continued to insist it wasn't religious discrimination. I kid you not.

The least the West can do is to be at least as religiously discriminatory against nationals of Muslim countries as those countries are religiously discriminatory. Immigration from Pakistan, Indonesia, Malaysia, Afghanistan, Iran, Saudi, Egypt, Libya, Algeria, Sudan etc, etc, etc would stop immediately.

That is the answer. Koranically they must be discriminatory so they will never stop. And so we should bar them for being discriminatory. They can't say we must not do as they do.

Two wrongs don't make a right, Soren. Simples, really. Roll Eyes

That is just the stupidest comeback in this context.

You wouldn't steal a car so you must not lock your on because that just signals that you do not trust others to be like yourself. You should not be like those untrusting types because you believe in the goodness of humanity.

We in the West must not, under any circumstances, allow ideologies like Islam to infiltrate and undermine our societies. We must not allow in people who want to use the democratic process to en the democratic process, to end freedoms, to impose regressive ideologies, practices, customs.

I am not aware of a single Islamic idea or custom or practice that is not a degradation of what we have in Western societies. It brings no improvement to any aspect of our societies, only degradation and a strong pull backwards.

Keep Islam out until it really proves to be at least as good as our own culture and customs.

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Re: What is racism?
Reply #628 - Jan 29^th, 2017 at 2:04pm

So silly, Frank. Islam is here. It isn't going away. We, in the West must learn to manage our responses to the legitimate concerns of Muslims around the world and reject the illegitimate ones. Outright rejection will fail dismally. Isolating the world's main source of energy will not work, either. Muslims are humans, just like we all are (although, in your case I sometimes have doubts with your attitudes). Should be seeking ways to unite us, rather than allow petty squabbles and Xenophobic hatreds, divide us. Tsk, tsk. Roll Eyes

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Reply #629 - Jan 29^th, 2017 at 2:23pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 29^th, 2017 at 2:04pm:

So silly, Frank. Islam is here. It isn't going away. We, in the West must learn to manage our responses to the legitimate concerns of Muslims around the world and reject the illegitimate ones. Outright rejection will fail dismally. Isolating the world's main source of energy will not work, either. Muslims are humans, just like we all are (although, in your case I sometimes have doubts with your attitudes). Should be seeking ways to unite us, rather than allow petty squabbles and Xenophobic hatreds, divide us. Tsk, tsk. Roll Eyes

You might like to rethink ALL of that bwian... the holes are just sooooo big. Cheesy

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Question: Is the statement is my signature racist?
yes 5 (55.6%) no 3 (33.3%) depends 1 (11.1%) don't know 0 (0.0%) Total votes: 9 « Created by: polite_gandalf on: Jan 29^th, 2017 at 9:05am »