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Fuzzball Gold Member Offline Posts: 6381 Australia Gender:	Re: What is racism? Reply #675 - Feb 3^rd, 2017 at 7:33pm The whole of this thread is designed to be racist..... Am I racist? Yep, and proud of it.....
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Reply #676 - Feb 3^rd, 2017 at 8:37pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2017 at 2:15pm:

freediver wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2017 at 11:26am:

The closest you have come to an explanation is that it must be a marker for a race, and the closest you have come to explaining what such a marker is is that it is a marker.

A 'marker for a race' in terms of racism is whatever the racist deems it to be. It could be skin colour or a hijab or psychopathy, or low intelligence due to inbreeding. It really is that random.

Don't be an idiot.

'Racism' is anything you dislike - that's just moronic. Even from a Muslim.

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Reply #677 - Feb 3^rd, 2017 at 9:54pm

Frank wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2017 at 8:37pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2017 at 2:15pm:

freediver wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2017 at 11:26am:

The closest you have come to an explanation is that it must be a marker for a race, and the closest you have come to explaining what such a marker is is that it is a marker.

A 'marker for a race' in terms of racism is whatever the racist deems it to be. It could be skin colour or a hijab or psychopathy, or low intelligence due to inbreeding. It really is that random.

Don't be an idiot.

'Racism' is anything you dislike

Thanks for spelling it out, old boy. Beards, headscarves, curry, tintedness
- everything you dislike, no?

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Reply #678 - Feb 3^rd, 2017 at 10:05pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2017 at 2:15pm:

A 'marker for a race' in terms of racism is whatever the racist deems it to be. It could be skin colour or a hijab or psychopathy, or low intelligence due to inbreeding. It really is that random. Where you are confused I think is in thinking there has to be some coherent, logical consistency to it - as if the racist is somehow thinking logically or coherently. They are not, and thats the whole point.The only consistency is that they are all used to define an ethno/cultural group (ie not a profession) with a negative broadbrush - for the purpose of simultaneously denigrating the 'outgroup' as inferior and promoting the 'ingroup' as superior. It also makes no sense to demand that I explain the rationale of the racist when they irrationally 'racialise' these ethno/cultural groups using these arbitrary markers - except to merely observe that their behaviour contains the attributes of racist behaviour.

So, your a racist then!

Why were you not able to state that earlier? Not everybody gets Friday off!

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Reply #679 - Feb 4^th, 2017 at 8:25am

Bloody hell the mrons in Indonesia are at it now, Indonesians are not being banned by Trump yet they are calling his ban racism... they don't even know what racism is... just like all the LW Progs they just toss the word around and it is basically meaningless today just like that stupid statement that "racism is anything you dislike" Cheesy

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Reply #680 - Feb 4^th, 2017 at 8:28am

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2017 at 1:36pm:

freediver wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2017 at 11:26am:

So far we have examples like Muslims and doctors. What other "fake" races that have nothing to do with race can we include, and on what basis?

You've included two yourself FD: sand-negro and 'non-whites'.

Neither are "races" by anyone's definition. And neither are even based on anyone's definition of a 'race' - which you originally tried to claim in the case of 'sand negro'.

They are races by my definition.

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2017 at 2:15pm:

freediver wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2017 at 11:26am:

The closest you have come to an explanation is that it must be a marker for a race, and the closest you have come to explaining what such a marker is is that it is a marker.

A 'marker for a race' in terms of racism is whatever the racist deems it to be. It could be skin colour or a hijab or psychopathy, or low intelligence due to inbreeding. It really is that random. Where you are confused I think is in thinking there has to be some coherent, logical consistency to it - as if the racist is somehow thinking logically or coherently. They are not, and thats the whole point.The only consistency is that they are all used to define an ethno/cultural group (ie not a profession) with a negative broadbrush - for the purpose of simultaneously denigrating the 'outgroup' as inferior and promoting the 'ingroup' as superior. It also makes no sense to demand that I explain the rationale of the racist when they irrationally 'racialise' these ethno/cultural groups using these arbitrary markers - except to merely observe that their behaviour contains the attributes of racist behaviour.

What ethno-cultural group is Moses referring to when he talks about 100% of Muslims?

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Reply #681 - Feb 4^th, 2017 at 10:32am

Karnal wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2017 at 9:54pm:

Frank wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2017 at 8:37pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2017 at 2:15pm:

freediver wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2017 at 11:26am:

The closest you have come to an explanation is that it must be a marker for a race, and the closest you have come to explaining what such a marker is is that it is a marker.

A 'marker for a race' in terms of racism is whatever the racist deems it to be. It could be skin colour or a hijab or psychopathy, or low intelligence due to inbreeding. It really is that random.

Don't be an idiot.

'Racism' is anything you dislike - that's just moronic. Even from a Muslim.

Thanks for spelling it out, old boy. Beards, headscarves, curry, tintedness
- everything you dislike, no?

Responding to half of a statement and deleting the pertinent half that contradict your own response. You are as idiotic and dishonest as gweggy and brian.

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Reply #682 - Feb 4^th, 2017 at 11:08am

karnal never responds to what people say, only what he thinks he can twist to mean something else...
It's pointless debating him on anything as it is for gweggy just another mindless TROLL.

For anyone to infer or claim racism is anything that anyone sees as negative in particular when we are talking about a religion is totally stupid.

RACISM is the belief in inferiority or superiority due to one's racial characteristics...

Islam is a religion... not a race, many muslims are of different races.
People against Islam are not racists.

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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 96221 Gender:	Re: What is racism? Reply #683 - Feb 4^th, 2017 at 4:03pm There you go, FD. Grendel's not racist. Nor is the old boy. I think the correct term is beardist.
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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: What is racism? Reply #684 - Feb 4^th, 2017 at 6:00pm freediver wrote on Feb 4^th, 2017 at 8:28am: What ethno-cultural group is Moses referring to when he talks about 100% of Muslims? Muslims. The giveaway was when he started attributing 'ethno-cultural' attributes to all of them like inbreeding and squatting to pee.
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Re: What is racism?
Reply #685 - Feb 4^th, 2017 at 6:22pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 4^th, 2017 at 6:00pm:

freediver wrote on Feb 4^th, 2017 at 8:28am:

What ethno-cultural group is Moses referring to when he talks about 100% of Muslims?

Muslims.

The giveaway was when he started attributing 'ethno-cultural' attributes to all of them like inbreeding and squatting to pee.

So Islam is a race as far as your definition of racism goes?

Were you actually giving us a tautology when you said all Islamophobia is based on racism?

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Reply #686 - Feb 4^th, 2017 at 6:46pm

freediver wrote on Feb 4^th, 2017 at 6:22pm:

Were you actually giving us a tautology when you said all Islamophobia is based on racism?

No. But happy to give you a lesson in English grammar.

That would be like saying 'ice is based on water' is a tautology. Which its not. No phrase that explains the nature of something (ie "x is based on y") can be tautological.

The tautology you're probably thinking of is something like "Islamophobic racism". But its still not really a tautology - as not all racism is Islamophobic, and therefore specifying that one particular kind of racism is Islamophobic is not redundant.

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Reply #687 - Feb 4^th, 2017 at 6:52pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 4^th, 2017 at 6:46pm:

freediver wrote on Feb 4^th, 2017 at 6:22pm:

Were you actually giving us a tautology when you said all Islamophobia is based on racism?

No. But happy to give you a lesson in English grammar.

That would be like saying 'ice is based on water' is a tautology. Which its not. No phrase that explains the nature of something (ie "x is based on y") can be tautological.

The tautology you're probably thinking of is something like "Islamophobic racism". But its still not really a tautology - as not all racism is Islamophobic, and therefore specifying that one particular kind of racism is Islamophobic is not redundant.

So following on from your lecture, Why does Islam/Muslims suffer from Hinduophobia?

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Reply #688 - Feb 4^th, 2017 at 7:03pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 4^th, 2017 at 6:00pm:

freediver wrote on Feb 4^th, 2017 at 8:28am:

What ethno-cultural group is Moses referring to when he talks about 100% of Muslims?

Muslims.

The giveaway was when he started attributing 'ethno-cultural' attributes to all of them like inbreeding and squatting to pee.

So Islam is a race as far as your definition of racism goes?

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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: What is racism? Reply #689 - Feb 4^th, 2017 at 7:07pm Moses ascribes ethno-cultural attributes to muslims in order to vilify them in a racist manner.
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