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Question: Is the statement is my signature racist?

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Reply #750 - Feb 11th, 2017 at 12:28am
 
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[2.40] O children of Israel! call to mind My favor which I bestowed on you and be faithful to (your) covenant with Me, I will fulfill (My) covenant with you; and of Me, Me alone, should you be afraid.

[2.47] O children of Israel! call to mind My favor which I bestowed on you and that I made you excel the nations.

[2.62] Surely those who believe, and those who are Jews, and the Christians, and the Sabians, whoever believes in Allah and the Last day and does good, they shall have their reward from their Lord, and there is no fear for them, nor shall they grieve.

[2.83] And when We made a covenant with the children of Israel: You shall not serve any but Allah and (you shall do) good to (your) parents, and to the near of kin and to the orphans and the needy, and you shall speak to men good words and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate. Then you turned back except a few of you and (now too) you turn aside.

[2.88] And they say: Our hearts are covered. Nay, Allah has cursed them on account of their unbelief; so little it is that they believe.

[2.98] Whoever is the enemy of Allah and His angels and His apostles and Jibreel and Meekaeel, so surely Allah is the enemy of the unbelievers.

[2.111] And they say: None sh all enter the garden (or paradise) except he who is a Jew or a Christian. These are their vain desires. Say: Bring your proof if you are truthful.

[2.113] And the Jews say: The Christians do not follow anything (good) and the Christians say: The Jews do not follow anything (good) while they recite the (same) Book. Even thus say those who have no knowledge, like to what they say; so Allah shall judge between them on the day of resurrection in what they differ.

[2.120] And the Jews will not be pleased with you, nor the Christians until you follow their religion. Say: Surely Allah's guidance, that is the (true) guidance. And if you follow their desires after the knowledge that has come to you, you shall have no guardian from Allah, nor any helper.

[2.121] Those to whom We have given the Book read it as it ought to be read. These believe in it; and whoever disbelieves in it, these it is that are the losers.

[2.122] O children of Israel, call to mind My favor which I bestowed on you and that I made you excel the nations.

[2.135] And they say: Be Jews or Christians, you will be on the right course. Say: Nay! (we follow) the religion of Ibrahim, the Hanif, and he was not one of the polytheists.

[2.140] Nay! do you say that Ibrahim and Ismail and Yaqoub and the tribes were Jews or Christians? Say: Are you better knowing or Allah? And who is more unjust than he who conceals a testimony that he has from Allah? And Allah is not at all heedless of what you do.

[2.211] Ask the Israelites how many a clear sign have We given them; and whoever changes the favor of Allah after it has come to him, then surely Allah is severe in requiting (evil).

[2.246] Have you not considered the chiefs of the children of Israel after Musa, when they said to a prophet of theirs: Raise up for us a king, (that) we may fight in the way of Allah. He said: May it not be that you would not fight if fighting is ordained for you? They said: And what reason have we that we should not fight in the way of Allah, and we have indeed been compelled to abandon our homes and our children. But when fighting was ordained for them, they turned back, except a few of them, and Allah knows the unjust.

The Family of Imran

[3.23] Have you not considered those (Jews) who are given a portion of the Book? They are invited to the Book of Allah that it might decide between them, then a part of them turn back and they withdraw.

[3.24] This is because they say: The fire shall not touch us but for a few days; and what they have forged deceives them in the matter of their religion.

[3.49] And (make him) an apostle to the children of Israel: That I have come to you with a sign from your Lord, that I determine for you out of dust like the form of a bird, then I breathe into it and it becomes a bird with Allah's permission and I heal the blind and the leprous, and bring the dead to life with Allah's permission and I inform you of what you should eat and what you should store in your houses; most surely there is a sign in this for you, if you are believers.

[3.67] Ibrahim was not a Jew nor a Christian but he was (an) upright (man), a Muslim, and he was not one of the polytheists.

[3.93] All food was lawful to the children of Israel except that which Israel had forbidden to himself, before the Taurat was revealed. Say: Bring then the Taurat and read it, if you are truthful.

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Reply #751 - Feb 11th, 2017 at 12:29am
 
The Women

[4.46] Of those who are Jews (there are those who) alter words from their places and say: We have heard and we disobey and: Hear, may you not be made to hear! and: Raina, distorting (the word) with their tongues and taunting about religion; and if they had said (instead): We have heard and we obey, and hearken, and unzurna it would have been better for them and more upright; but Allah has cursed them on account of their unbelief, so they do not believe but a little.

[4.47] O you who have been given the Book! believe that which We have revealed, verifying what you have, before We alter faces then turn them on their backs, or curse them as We cursed the violaters of the Sabbath, and the command of Allah shall be executed.

[4.50] See how they forge the lie against Allah, and this is sufficient as a manifest sin.

[4.160] Wherefore for the iniquity of those who are Jews did We disallow to them the good things which had been made lawful for them and for their hindering many (people) from Allah's way.

[4.161] And their taking usury though indeed they were forbidden it and their devouring the property of people falsely, and We have prepared for the unbelievers from among them a painful chastisement.

The Dinner Table

[5.12] And certainly Allah made a covenant with the children of Israel, and We raised up among them twelve chieftains; and Allah said: Surely I am with you; if you keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate and believe in My apostles and assist them and offer to Allah a goodly gift, I will most certainly cover your evil deeds, and I will most certainly cause you to enter into gardens beneath which rivers flow, but whoever disbelieves from among you after that, he indeed shall lose the right way.

[5.13] But on account of their breaking their covenant We cursed them and made their hearts hard; they altered the words from their places and they neglected a portion of what they were reminded of; and you shall always discover treachery in them excepting a few of them; so pardon them and turn away; surely Allah loves those who do good (to others).

[5.18] And the Jews and the Christians say: We are the sons of Allah and His beloved ones. Say: Why does He then chastise you for your faults? Nay, you are mortals from among those whom He has created, He forgives whom He pleases and chastises whom He pleases; and Allah's is the kingdom of the heavens and the earth and what is between them, and to Him is the eventual coming.

[5.32] For this reason did We prescribe to the children of Israel that whoever slays a soul, unless it be for manslaughter or for mischief in the land, it is as though he slew all men; and whoever keeps it alive, it is as though he kept alive all men; and certainly Our apostles came to them with clear arguments, but even after that many of them certainly act extravagantly in the land.

[5.33] The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His apostle and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement,

[5.41] O Apostle! let not those grieve you who strive together in hastening to unbelief from among those who say with their mouths: We believe, and their hearts do not believe, and from among those who are Jews; they are listeners for the sake of a lie, listeners for another people who have not come to you; they alter the words from their places, saying: If you are given this, take it, and if you are not given this, be cautious; and as for him whose temptation Allah desires, you cannot control anything for him with Allah. Those are they for whom Allah does not desire that He should purify their hearts; they shall have disgrace in this world, and they shall have a grievous chastisement in the hereafter.

[5.42] (They are) listeners of a lie, devourers of what is forbidden; therefore if they come to you, judge between them or turn aside from them, and if you turn aside from them, they shall not harm you in any way; and if you judge, judge between them with equity; surely Allah loves those who judge equitably.

[5.43] And how do they make you a judge and they have the Taurat wherein is Allah's judgment? Yet they turn back after that, and these are not the believers.

[5.44] Surely We revealed the Taurat in which was guidance and light; with it the prophets who submitted themselves (to Allah) judged (matters) for those who were Jews, and the masters of Divine knowledge and the doctors, because they were required to guard (part) of the Book of Allah, and they were witnesses thereof; therefore fear not the people and fear Me, and do not take a small price for My communications; and whoever did not judge by what Allah revealed, those are they that are the unbelievers.

[5.51] O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people.

[5:57] O you who believe! do not take for guardians those who take your religion for a mockery and a joke, from among those who were given the Book before you and the unbelievers; and be careful of (your duty to) Allah if you are believers.

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Reply #752 - Feb 11th, 2017 at 12:29am
 
[5:57] O you who believe! do not take for guardians those who take your religion for a mockery and a joke, from among those who were given the Book before you and the unbelievers; and be careful of (your duty to) Allah if you are believers.

[5.59] Say: O followers of the Book! do you find fault with us (for aught) except that we believe in Allah and in what has been revealed to us and what was revealed before, and that most of you are transgressors?

[5.60] Say: Shall I inform you of (him who is) worse than this in retribution from Allah? (Worse is he) whom Allah has cursed and brought His wrath upon, and of whom He made apes and swine, and he who served the Shaitan; these are worse in place and more erring from the straight path.

[5.63] Why do not the learned men [rabbis] and the doctors of law prohibit them from their speaking of what is sinful and their eating of what is unlawfully acquired? Certainly evil is that which they work.

[5.64] And the Jews say: The hand of Allah is tied up! Their hands shall be shackled and they shall be cursed for what they say. Nay, both His hands are spread out, He expends as He pleases; and what has been revealed to you from your Lord will certainly make many of them increase in inordinacy and unbelief; and We have put enmity and hatred among them till the day of resurrection; whenever they kindle a fire for war Allah puts it out, and they strive to make mischief in the land; and Allah does not love the mischief-makers.

[5.69] Surely those who believe and those who are Jews and the Sabians and the Christians whoever believes in Allah and the last day and does good-- they shall have no fear nor shall they grieve.

[5.70] Certainly We made a covenant with the children of Israel and We sent to them apostles; whenever there came to them an apostle with what that their souls did not desire, some (of them) did they call liars and some they slew.

[5.72] Certainly they disbelieve who say: Surely Allah, He is the Messiah, son of Marium; and the Messiah said: O Children of Israel! serve Allah, my Lord and your Lord. Surely whoever associates (others) with Allah, then Allah has forbidden to him the garden, and his abode is the fire; and there shall be no helpers for the unjust.

[5.73] Certainly they disbelieve who say: Surely Allah is the third (person) of the three; and there is no god but the one God, and if they desist not from what they say, a painful chastisement shall befall those among them who disbelieve.

[5.78] Those who disbelieved from among the children of Israel were cursed by the tongue of Dawood and Isa, son of Marium; this was because they disobeyed and used to exceed the limit.

[5.79] They used not to forbid each other the hateful things (which) they did; certainly evil was that which they did.

[5.80] You will see many of them befriending those who disbelieve; certainly evil is that which their souls have sent before for them, that Allah became displeased with them and in chastisement shall they abide.

[5.81] And had they believed in Allah and the prophet and what was revealed to him, they would not have taken them for friends but! most of them are transgressors.

[5.82] Certainly you will find the most violent of people in enmity for those who believe (to be) the Jews and those who are polytheists, and you will certainly find the nearest in friendship to those who believe (to be) those who say: We are Christians; this is because there are priests and monks among them and because they do not behave proudly.

[5.86] And (as for) those who disbelieve and reject Our communications, these are the companions of the flame.

[5.110] When Allah will say: O Isa son of Marium! Remember My favor on you and on your mother, when I strengthened you I with the holy Spirit, you spoke to the people in the cradle and I when of old age, and when I taught you the Book and the wisdom and the Taurat and the Injeel; and when you determined out of clay a thing like the form of a bird by My permission, then you breathed into it and it became a bird by My permission, and you healed the blind and the leprous by My permission; and when you brought forth the dead by My permission; and when I withheld the children of Israel from you when you came to them with clear arguments, but those who disbelieved among them said: This is nothing but clear enchantment.
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Reply #753 - Feb 11th, 2017 at 2:10am
 
Ah yes, old boy, but the question of this thread is whether they are they dirty little retarded inbreds, the lot of them?

100%.

G seems to think you exclude him from the tinted subspecies gene. What say you?

It's not racist, as FD is at pains to point out. Tinted subspecies are not a race.
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Reply #754 - Feb 11th, 2017 at 7:27am
 
freediver wrote on Feb 10th, 2017 at 8:33pm:
Why do you think that all references to racial subgroups from the middle east and surrounds are actually a reference to Muslims?


Grin - nuff said. Are you trying to disprove yourself? Is this you conceding you were wrong to claim sand negro is based on the 'real' race of arabs, and therefore making it legit racism? If you are now conceding that 'sand negro' (as well as other "racial subgroups")  is actually a by-word for muslim, and muslim is not a race - sand negro can not possibly be racist right? - according to your definition of racism.
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Reply #755 - Feb 11th, 2017 at 7:52am
 
Do I need to draw you some Venn diagrams Gandalf?

Why did you start a thread on what is racism if you do not want to talk about it?

freediver wrote on Feb 10th, 2017 at 8:33pm:
Do you deny claiming that doctors or other professions can be a marker for the purpose of racism?

Do you think it is racist to justify the genocide of a whole tribe of Jews by insisting they were a mindless collective of traitors?

Why do you think that all references to racial subgroups from the middle east and surrounds are actually a reference to Muslims?

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Apart from demonstrating how that definition doesn't apply to sand negro.


How did you do that without referring to the definition?

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It didn't make sense the first time you asked. Its not going to suddenly make sense if you ask it 100 more times.


You definition of racism refers to people "racialising". That is a circular definition.

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using your definition of race - you know the one you keep pretending I never touch, and the one that doesn't apply to 'sand negro'.


You hare the one bainging on about "actual" races, not me. What are they?

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Reply #756 - Feb 11th, 2017 at 8:12am
 
freediver wrote on Feb 11th, 2017 at 7:52am:
Why did you start a thread on what is racism if you do not want to talk about it?


But I am talking about it FD - I'm trying to understand why you have just dismantled your entire definition of racism. You just acknowledged that 'racial subgroups' are actually a reference to muslims. This directly contradicts your previous assertion that 'racist' terms like 'sand negro' must reference an actual race - (ie arab) - in order to be racist.

This can only mean one of two things: 1. you were wrong to describe 'sand negro' (a reference to muslims) racist or 2. you were wrong to assert that racism must be referencing an actual race.
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Reply #757 - Feb 12th, 2017 at 7:41am
 
Is it racist to say that a group of people have no individuality and their personality is entirely defined by the tribe they belong to?
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Reply #758 - Feb 12th, 2017 at 1:29pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 11th, 2017 at 8:12am:
freediver wrote on Feb 11th, 2017 at 7:52am:
Why did you start a thread on what is racism if you do not want to talk about it?


But I am talking about it FD - I'm trying to understand why you have just dismantled your entire definition of racism. You just acknowledged that 'racial subgroups' are actually a reference to muslims. This directly contradicts your previous assertion that 'racist' terms like 'sand negro' must reference an actual race - (ie arab) - in order to be racist.

This can only mean one of two things: 1. you were wrong to describe 'sand negro' (a reference to muslims) racist or 2. you were wrong to assert that racism must be referencing an actual race.


FD also wants to draw a Venn diagram to highlight the overlapping aspects of race - Arabs - and religion - Muslims.

Religion, race, and now the aspects they share - not racist.

Of course FD wants to discuss a 1300 year old Jewish massacre.

What's racist about that?
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Reply #759 - Feb 12th, 2017 at 3:18pm
 
Karnal wrote on Feb 12th, 2017 at 1:29pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 11th, 2017 at 8:12am:
freediver wrote on Feb 11th, 2017 at 7:52am:
Why did you start a thread on what is racism if you do not want to talk about it?


But I am talking about it FD - I'm trying to understand why you have just dismantled your entire definition of racism. You just acknowledged that 'racial subgroups' are actually a reference to muslims. This directly contradicts your previous assertion that 'racist' terms like 'sand negro' must reference an actual race - (ie arab) - in order to be racist.

This can only mean one of two things: 1. you were wrong to describe 'sand negro' (a reference to muslims) racist or 2. you were wrong to assert that racism must be referencing an actual race.


FD also wants to draw a Venn diagram to highlight the overlapping aspects of race - Arabs - and religion - Muslims.

Religion, race, and now the aspects they share - not racist.

Of course FD wants to discuss a 1300 year old Jewish massacre.

What's racist about that?

Nothing the Jihadis still crap on about the crusades what's racist about that? Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
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Reply #760 - Feb 13th, 2017 at 8:23am
 
FD did it occur to you that when you said "all references to racial subgroups from the middle east and surrounds are actually a reference to Muslims" you were directly contradicting yourself?

Is 'sand negro' a reference to arabs like you claimed before, or muslims?

Are you now conceding that "references to racial subgroups" aren't necessarily 'racial' at all? Or are you now saying muslim is a race? Or is it now a "racial subgroup"? Come to think of it, what is a racial subgroup?

See what I mean about twisting yourself in knots attempting to define your confused idea of race and racism?
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Reply #761 - Feb 13th, 2017 at 9:26am
 
Are you being obtuse on purpose?
Are you being a mindless pedant on purpose?

Ages ago we answered the topic question...  you keep getting hung up on petty personal arguments apparently.
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Reply #762 - Feb 13th, 2017 at 11:42am
 
correction: you gave your answer to the topic question and assumed everyone agrees with it.

If you'r sick of talking about 'what is racism', I suggest this isn't the thread for you.
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Reply #763 - Feb 13th, 2017 at 12:28pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 13th, 2017 at 11:42am:
correction: you gave your answer to the topic question and assumed everyone agrees with it.

If you'r sick of talking about 'what is racism', I suggest this isn't the thread for you.

No I'm sick of you and the crap you keep regurgitating.  BTW my definition is correct. Roll Eyes
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Reply #764 - Feb 13th, 2017 at 12:36pm
 
" I suggest this isn't the thread for you."
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