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Question: Is the statement is my signature racist?

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Re: What is racism?
Reply #90 - Dec 17th, 2016 at 3:55pm
 
freediver wrote on Dec 17th, 2016 at 2:47pm:
I don't think he referred to Arabs either, but maybe if he did Gandalf would do a backflip and insist it is not racism.


You're confused FD. I'm not the one using the logic that it must be a 19th century notion of a genetic "race" before it can be considered "racism". You are - remember? Personally, I believe that racism can be directed at any distinct ethnic, cultural and even religious group - as I've explained many times before.

So, the question remains, how do you consider the slogan "arabia for arabs" - a reference to a linguistic group, "blatant racism" - when arabs are not a race? Feel free to dodge that again.
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Re: What is racism?
Reply #91 - Dec 17th, 2016 at 10:16pm
 
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You're confused FD. I'm not the one using the logic that it must be a 19th century notion of a genetic "race" before it can be considered "racism". You are - remember?


So why did you "interpret" what Moses actually said into things he did not say like "sub species" and "genetic subclass"?

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Personally, I believe that racism can be directed at any distinct ethnic, cultural and even religious group - as I've explained many times before.


Like when you said all Islamophobia is based on racism?

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So, the question remains, how do you consider the slogan "arabia for arabs" - a reference to a linguistic group, "blatant racism" - when arabs are not a race? Feel free to dodge that again.


I am waiting for you to start a new thread on it. Let's keep it simple.
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Re: What is racism?
Reply #92 - Dec 17th, 2016 at 11:51pm
 
Yes, G, how could you?

Remember, FD, this is that same Muslim who wants to execute gays who do it Mardi Gras-style - the same Muslim who wants to take away the Freeedoms of decent white people everywhere; a self-styled "reformist" who agrees with Abu and Falah on almost everything.

Of course he would put words in Moses' mouth. He's a proponent of the Muslim victimhood industry - the soft bigotry of low expectations.

Google: taqiyya.
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Re: What is racism?
Reply #93 - Dec 19th, 2016 at 3:48pm
 
freediver wrote on Dec 17th, 2016 at 10:16pm:
So why did you "interpret" what Moses actually said into things he did not say like "sub species" and "genetic subclass"?


Moses relegates the entire muslim population into an entire sub-species - aka "genetic subclass". Moses' is more blatant in his racism than most modern racists - as he throws the genetic element on top of the "regular" Islamophobia. Thats why I thought it would be impossible for you to deny this hate speech as racist using the usual stale rejoinder "Islam/muslims are not a race".

Still, this impressive mental gymnastics still doesn't match the extraordinary way you approach this most hateful of hate speech by nitpicking what type of bigotry it isn't - going to the most extraordinary lengths to avoid actually acknowledging it as bigotry of the worst kind. And then go apoplectic in response to the rather mundane slogan "arabia is for arabs" for its "blatant racism".
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Re: What is racism?
Reply #94 - Dec 19th, 2016 at 5:55pm
 
Karnal wrote on Dec 17th, 2016 at 3:16pm:
Frank wrote on Dec 17th, 2016 at 2:53pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 17th, 2016 at 12:28pm:
Funnily enough I called it 'racism' because its racism. FD is this your way of saying you never feel the need to speak out against such racism bigoted hate speech against a specific ethno-religious group - and if its brought to your attention you'll dedicate all your time and resources to spinelessly apologise for it?

I do not want Muslims and Islam to set the tone for ANY discussion in Australia or the West.

Muslim who believe the Koran and Mohammed are the slow, thick kids in the class, dragging everyone down. I do not want them to slow down every discussion to their level, forever worrying about whether it is OK with some idiotic Muslim dogma for me to say this that or the other.

I do not want Islam to drag the rest of us back to where we were 400 years ago, just because most of them happen to be brown skinned and so we have to 'respect brown people and diversity' and all that crap for some obscure, unclear reason, even when they believe the most primitive and eyewateringly stupid stuff.


But of course. You flew here, yes?

You must be incenced with Waleed Aly, Frank. Winning Walkley awards, delivering the Andrew Ollie lecture, winning the gold Logie.

He's on Channel 10, Radio National and in Fairfax. Waleed Aly sets quite a lot of tone in Australia.

Still, he grew here you flew here, no? 

Muslim who believe the Koran and Mohammed are the slow, thick kids in the class, dragging everyone down. I do not want them to slow down every discussion to their level, forever worrying about whether it is OK with some idiotic Muslim dogma for me to say this that or the other.

I do not want Islam to drag the rest of us back to where we were 400 years ago, just because most of them happen to be brown skinned and so we have to 'respect brown people and diversity' and all that crap for some obscure, unclear reason, even when they believe the most primitive and eyewateringly stupid stuff.
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Re: What is racism?
Reply #95 - Dec 19th, 2016 at 7:49pm
 
Frank wrote on Dec 19th, 2016 at 5:55pm:
Karnal wrote on Dec 17th, 2016 at 3:16pm:
Frank wrote on Dec 17th, 2016 at 2:53pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 17th, 2016 at 12:28pm:
Funnily enough I called it 'racism' because its racism. FD is this your way of saying you never feel the need to speak out against such racism bigoted hate speech against a specific ethno-religious group - and if its brought to your attention you'll dedicate all your time and resources to spinelessly apologise for it?

I do not want Muslims and Islam to set the tone for ANY discussion in Australia or the West.

Muslim who believe the Koran and Mohammed are the slow, thick kids in the class, dragging everyone down. I do not want them to slow down every discussion to their level, forever worrying about whether it is OK with some idiotic Muslim dogma for me to say this that or the other.

I do not want Islam to drag the rest of us back to where we were 400 years ago, just because most of them happen to be brown skinned and so we have to 'respect brown people and diversity' and all that crap for some obscure, unclear reason, even when they believe the most primitive and eyewateringly stupid stuff.


But of course. You flew here, yes?

You must be incenced with Waleed Aly, Frank. Winning Walkley awards, delivering the Andrew Ollie lecture, winning the gold Logie.

He's on Channel 10, Radio National and in Fairfax. Waleed Aly sets quite a lot of tone in Australia.

Still, he grew here you flew here, no? 

Muslim who believe the Koran and Mohammed are the slow, thick kids in the class, dragging everyone down. I do not want them to slow down every discussion to their level, forever worrying about whether it is OK with some idiotic Muslim dogma for me to say this that or the other.

I do not want Islam to drag the rest of us back to where we were 400 years ago, just because most of them happen to be brown skinned and so we have to 'respect brown people and diversity' and all that crap for some obscure, unclear reason, even when they believe the most primitive and eyewateringly stupid stuff.


Strange. I've taught Muslims in class. Some were dumb, some were exceedingly bright. I personally couldn't say they could be graded based on their Muslimness - at all.

I say, perhaps we could do away with all assessment and testing, and simply grade Muslims based on your criteria.

Would this make you happy, dear boy?

We could even apply your principles in their entirity and only allow Muslims to work in particular jobs, grant them certain licenses, or even - most benign of all, ban them from entering our fine country altogether.

Good show. Do you know what you are, old chap?

You're a liberal. University of Balogney, eh?

We can tell.

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Re: What is racism?
Reply #96 - Dec 19th, 2016 at 7:53pm
 
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Moses relegates the entire muslim population into an entire sub-species - aka "genetic subclass".


No Gandalf. This is just your "interpretation" remember. You have already conceded it is not what he actually said.

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Moses' is more blatant in his racism than most modern racists


Yes, he is so blatant he only mentions religion and sex.

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Still, this impressive mental gymnastics still doesn't match the extraordinary way you approach this most hateful of hate speech by nitpicking what type of bigotry it isn't


Look at the thread title Gandalf. Who started this thread? And why? I am happy to move on, as you keep demanding, once you admit you were wrong to lie about what Moses said. Or produce the quotes.

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And then go apoplectic in response to the rather mundane slogan "arabia is for arabs" for its "blatant racism".


Just pointing out your hypocrisy in denying that is racism while fabricating racist references on Moses' behalf.

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I do not want Islam to drag the rest of us back to where we were 400 years ago


400 years ago continental Europe was pretty much free of slavery. Try a millenia or two.
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Re: What is racism?
Reply #97 - Dec 19th, 2016 at 7:58pm
 
Why don't you want to answer G's question, FD?

I'm curious. Is there something you're trying to hide?
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Re: What is racism?
Reply #98 - Dec 19th, 2016 at 9:16pm
 
Karnal wrote on Dec 19th, 2016 at 7:49pm:
Frank wrote on Dec 19th, 2016 at 5:55pm:
Karnal wrote on Dec 17th, 2016 at 3:16pm:
Frank wrote on Dec 17th, 2016 at 2:53pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 17th, 2016 at 12:28pm:
Funnily enough I called it 'racism' because its racism. FD is this your way of saying you never feel the need to speak out against such racism bigoted hate speech against a specific ethno-religious group - and if its brought to your attention you'll dedicate all your time and resources to spinelessly apologise for it?

I do not want Muslims and Islam to set the tone for ANY discussion in Australia or the West.

Muslim who believe the Koran and Mohammed are the slow, thick kids in the class, dragging everyone down. I do not want them to slow down every discussion to their level, forever worrying about whether it is OK with some idiotic Muslim dogma for me to say this that or the other.

I do not want Islam to drag the rest of us back to where we were 400 years ago, just because most of them happen to be brown skinned and so we have to 'respect brown people and diversity' and all that crap for some obscure, unclear reason, even when they believe the most primitive and eyewateringly stupid stuff.


But of course. You flew here, yes?

You must be incenced with Waleed Aly, Frank. Winning Walkley awards, delivering the Andrew Ollie lecture, winning the gold Logie.

He's on Channel 10, Radio National and in Fairfax. Waleed Aly sets quite a lot of tone in Australia.

Still, he grew here you flew here, no? 

Muslim who believe the Koran and Mohammed are the slow, thick kids in the class, dragging everyone down. I do not want them to slow down every discussion to their level, forever worrying about whether it is OK with some idiotic Muslim dogma for me to say this that or the other.

I do not want Islam to drag the rest of us back to where we were 400 years ago, just because most of them happen to be brown skinned and so we have to 'respect brown people and diversity' and all that crap for some obscure, unclear reason, even when they believe the most primitive and eyewateringly stupid stuff.


Strange. I've taught Muslims in class. Some were dumb, some were exceedingly bright. I personally couldn't say they could be graded based on their Muslimness - at all.

I say, perhaps we could do away with all assessment and testing, and simply grade Muslims based on your criteria.

Would this make you happy, dear boy?

We could even apply your principles in their entirity and only allow Muslims to work in particular jobs, grant them certain licenses, or even - most benign of all, ban them from entering our fine country altogether.

Good show. Do you know what you are, old chap?

You're a liberal. University of Balogney, eh?

We can tell.


Stupid, pointless waffle as always.

Muslims are graded on how much of the koran and mohammed - miam miam - they believe. Nothing else.





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Re: What is racism?
Reply #99 - Dec 19th, 2016 at 9:35pm
 
Frank wrote on Dec 19th, 2016 at 9:16pm:
Karnal wrote on Dec 19th, 2016 at 7:49pm:
Frank wrote on Dec 19th, 2016 at 5:55pm:
Karnal wrote on Dec 17th, 2016 at 3:16pm:
Frank wrote on Dec 17th, 2016 at 2:53pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 17th, 2016 at 12:28pm:
Funnily enough I called it 'racism' because its racism. FD is this your way of saying you never feel the need to speak out against such racism bigoted hate speech against a specific ethno-religious group - and if its brought to your attention you'll dedicate all your time and resources to spinelessly apologise for it?

I do not want Muslims and Islam to set the tone for ANY discussion in Australia or the West.

Muslim who believe the Koran and Mohammed are the slow, thick kids in the class, dragging everyone down. I do not want them to slow down every discussion to their level, forever worrying about whether it is OK with some idiotic Muslim dogma for me to say this that or the other.

I do not want Islam to drag the rest of us back to where we were 400 years ago, just because most of them happen to be brown skinned and so we have to 'respect brown people and diversity' and all that crap for some obscure, unclear reason, even when they believe the most primitive and eyewateringly stupid stuff.


But of course. You flew here, yes?

You must be incenced with Waleed Aly, Frank. Winning Walkley awards, delivering the Andrew Ollie lecture, winning the gold Logie.

He's on Channel 10, Radio National and in Fairfax. Waleed Aly sets quite a lot of tone in Australia.

Still, he grew here you flew here, no? 

Muslim who believe the Koran and Mohammed are the slow, thick kids in the class, dragging everyone down. I do not want them to slow down every discussion to their level, forever worrying about whether it is OK with some idiotic Muslim dogma for me to say this that or the other.

I do not want Islam to drag the rest of us back to where we were 400 years ago, just because most of them happen to be brown skinned and so we have to 'respect brown people and diversity' and all that crap for some obscure, unclear reason, even when they believe the most primitive and eyewateringly stupid stuff.


Strange. I've taught Muslims in class. Some were dumb, some were exceedingly bright. I personally couldn't say they could be graded based on their Muslimness - at all.

I say, perhaps we could do away with all assessment and testing, and simply grade Muslims based on your criteria.

Would this make you happy, dear boy?

We could even apply your principles in their entirity and only allow Muslims to work in particular jobs, grant them certain licenses, or even - most benign of all, ban them from entering our fine country altogether.

Good show. Do you know what you are, old chap?

You're a liberal. University of Balogney, eh?

We can tell.


Stupid, pointless waffle as always.

Muslims are graded on how much of the koran and mohammed - miam miam - they believe. Nothing else.







That's at the University of Balogney, dear boy. Here in NSW, we have a thing called a curriculum. We grade students on that.

If you don't mind me asking, where are you from? You haven't said.
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Re: What is racism?
Reply #100 - Dec 20th, 2016 at 6:47am
 
freediver wrote on Dec 19th, 2016 at 7:53pm:
Yes, he is so blatant he only mentions religion and sex.


inbred FD, he mentions inbred...

Actually he doesn't "mention" religion and sex either. Here you, here's the quote again:

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The result to day is that if there's 1.5 billion muslims, half are men 750 million inbred low intellect muslim men all squatting down to urinate, murdering people to emulate muhammad.


Can you see the words 'sex' and 'religion' "mentioned" anywhere?

Sorry, FD, I'm only applying your own logic here - no "mention" of those words, therefore you made it up. You're putting words into his mouth.

Or are you thinking there's an element of common sense here? hmmm?
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Re: What is racism?
Reply #101 - Dec 23rd, 2016 at 11:51am
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 20th, 2016 at 6:47am:
freediver wrote on Dec 19th, 2016 at 7:53pm:
Yes, he is so blatant he only mentions religion and sex.


inbred FD, he mentions inbred...

Actually he doesn't "mention" religion and sex either. Here you, here's the quote again:

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The result to day is that if there's 1.5 billion muslims, half are men 750 million inbred low intellect muslim men all squatting down to urinate, murdering people to emulate muhammad.


Can you see the words 'sex' and 'religion' "mentioned" anywhere?

Sorry, FD, I'm only applying your own logic here - no "mention" of those words, therefore you made it up. You're putting words into his mouth.

Or are you thinking there's an element of common sense here? hmmm?


I have highlighted the relevant bits for you Gandalf.
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Re: What is racism?
Reply #102 - Jan 1st, 2017 at 5:55pm
 
Wow, Gandalf really does not know what racism means. Hew has worked so hard to convince himself that there is no such thing as race that he has had to discard the meaning of racism also.

polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 31st, 2016 at 7:49pm:
freediver wrote on Dec 30th, 2016 at 8:54am:
Racism still exists even if you don't think races do Gandalf.


So what is 'racism' then FD? What are the allowed parameters?

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Re: What is racism?
Reply #103 - Jan 1st, 2017 at 7:59pm
 
That's right, FD. Muslims. Men. Inbred.

You've been taking tips from Sprint, no?
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Re: What is racism?
Reply #104 - Jan 1st, 2017 at 9:19pm
 
If race is your main identity then you are a dickhead.

Unfortunately, a lot of tinted people, having lost all other aspect of their culture, resort to racial self-identification. They invest everything into their racial identity, having no culture other than race to rally around and call their own.  So in a strange way it is the tinted races who keep race alive because they are resisting the pressure to join the culture - European, incidentally white, culture - that swept away their own. They can never forgive the culture that has shown the futility an unfitness for survival of their own culture.




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