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DANGER! Socialist UN wants to grab Aust
Jan 9th, 2017 at 6:20am
 
The extreme Socialist IMF is goading Aust into increasing foreign govt borrowing because they want Aust to fall into the IMF trap.

This is the sort of Socialist slime that would make Socialist Shorty DROOL and dream of increasing foreign govt debt to $1 trillion in JUST THE 1st YEAR!!!

The Socialist UN want to get control of Aust as part of their eventual One World Govt fiasco.

Beware the Socialists macabre plans for Aust!!!!





Morrison rejects IMF, OECD calls to use boost debt spending
DAVID UREN Economics Editor Canberra The Australian 12:00AM January 9, 2017

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The IMF is also pushing Australia to increase its budget spending.

The OECD believes falling interest rates have given the Australian government the scope to more than double its net debt to stimulate the economy, while it calculates that it could spend an additional $8 billion a year on ­infrastructure for about two years without affecting the long-term trajectory of its debt.

Both the OECD and the IMF have been urging the Australian government to ease up on budget repair and lift spending as part of their global campaign to lift ­economic growth.

They are using the concept of “fiscal space”, or the ability to raise additional debt without ­provoking an adverse market ­reaction, to argue that governments, particularly in the ­advanced world, should be using fiscal policy rather than relying on central banks to support their economies.

Despite the growth in debt since the financial crisis and continuing budget deficits, they maintain that the fall in interest rates provides an opportunity for most governments to boost growth.

The campaign by the two peak multilateral economic bodies is controversial. Treasurer Scott Morrison has flatly rejected calls to allow spending to rise, while the Bank of International Settlements has warned against abandoning “fiscal prudence”.


“For most of the period since the GFC, there has been too much reliance on monetary ­policy to support growth. There is a risk that fiscal policy will be overburdened in a similar way, adding new imbalances instead of correcting them, and posing risks to macroeconomic and financial stability,” BIS general manager Jaime Caruana says, adding that fiscal space is a “slippery” concept.

However, the OECD has put it at the centre of its economic ­strategy, with 335 references to ­fiscal space in its latest economic outlook. “Policymakers should closely examine fiscal space; low interest rates enable many ­countries to boost hard and soft ­infrastructure and other growth-enhancing initiatives,” its chief economist, Catherine Mann, wrote in the outlook editorial.

The OECD says that measures of fiscal space have risen in most OECD countries over the past two years, with lower interest rates more than offsetting the headwinds from lower potential growth and higher debts.

Potential growth rates across the advanced world have halved since the financial crisis from 2 per cent a year per capita to 1 per cent, mainly as a result of weak business investment and declining productivity. This makes it harder for governments to raise the revenue to service growing debts.

However, the OECD says ­falling interest rates have given governments the opportunity to lock in long-term low-cost debt. Its modelling assumes that countries will make savings or raise tax ­revenue as their debt rises up to a point, beyond which the ­additional savings become too hard and default becomes the ­easier ­option and that financial markets will anticipate this, pushing rates higher as the limit is ­approached.

The modelling exercise shows that since 2014, slowing potential growth has reduced Australia’s ­fiscal space by 30 per cent of GDP, but lower rates have increased it by about 55 per cent, with the net ­result that Australia’s scope to ­borrow, before financial markets become concerned, has increased by about 25 per cent of GDP.

With the latest budget papers showing Australia’s net debt is set to peak at 19 per cent of GDP in 2018-19, the modelling, taking ­account only of the changes in the last two years, suggests there is abundant scope to increase ­deficits.


The benchmark study on which the OECD’s work is based suggests “fiscal fatigue” — the ­reluctance to find savings to cover debts as they fall due — does not set in until net debts exceed 100 per cent of GDP and identifies Australia, along with South Korea and Norway as having the greatest scope to raise debt further.

The OECD maintains that well-designed infrastructure ­investment can be undertaken without lifting debt-to-GDP ­ratios, because the resulting rise in economic growth will exceed the increase in debt. It estimates Australia could increase its deficit by 0.5 per cent of GDP (roughly $8bn at present) for about two years without affecting the debt profile.

The IMF is also pushing Australia to increase its budget spending. “Australia has fiscal space even though recent budget targets have been missed and debt has risen,” the fund’s review team concluded at the end of their annual review of Australia late last year. “Metrics such as the debt-to-GDP ratio suggest that there is fiscal space under both the baseline and economic stress scenarios,” it said.

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Re: DANGER! Socialist UN wants to grab Aust
Reply #1 - Jan 9th, 2017 at 6:21am
 
And the saga of Socialist intrigue continues...


The IMF is also pushing Australia to increase its budget spending. “Australia has fiscal space even though recent budget targets have been missed and debt has risen,” the fund’s review team concluded at the end of their annual review of Australia late last year. “Metrics such as the debt-to-GDP ratio suggest that there is fiscal space under both the baseline and economic stress scenarios,” it said.

“In IMF staff’s view, the worse-than-planned budget outcomes over the past few years have reflected the weaker-than-expected growth rather than policy easing. Forging ahead with consolidation would most likely have resulted in lower growth over that period.”

However, all bodies acknowledge there is great uncertainty in the measurement of fiscal space. The assumption that governments will make the necessary savings to cover rising interest costs flies in the face of the budget stalemate in Australia since 2014.

The BIS annual report argues that fiscal space depends on ­market participants’ perceptions of a government’s ability to raise taxes and cut spending, as well as the likely course of interest rates and the risk of financial crises.

Some estimates of fiscal space rely on the “Laffer Curve” — the level of taxes beyond which ­further increases in tax rates ­produces less tax revenue (a point likely reached with Australian company tax). The BIS comments that for many, the “politically ­tolerable taxation level” is likely to be considerably lower.

It says the “social compact” in most advanced nations requires a basic level of government spending on health, education and social services, putting limits on spending cuts. Although real interest rates may still be negative for most countries, they fluctuate widely over time.

“Fiscal sustainability depends not only on a country’s fundamentals, but also on investors’ beliefs and behaviour. This creates the potential for debt crises to be, at least partially, self-fulfilling.”

The BIS says that wherever a country’s debt limit is, “prudent policymakers should try to keep debt levels well away from them.” It cites Moody’s requirement that AAA-rated sovereigns have debts at least 125 per cent of GDP below the upper limit.

S&P Global Ratings has cited Australia’s persistent current ­account deficit and the large external private sector debt as a reason why Australian governments should keep lower debt ratios than other AAA-rated countries.

Scott Morrison says that if the IMF and OECD are arguing that the government should “just let it rip” on public spending, “I certainly wouldn’t agree with them.”

Part of the OECD’s mantra is that all the countries with the latitude to lift spending should do so, because the combined effect will be greater than any one country doing it by itself. Although incoming US president Donald Trump has promised to stimulate an already nearly fully employed economy with tax cuts and infrastructure, the two multilateral ­institutions have so far failed to win any commitment to budget loosening from the G20.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/business/opinion/david-uren-economics/morrison-r...


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Graeme 34 MINUTES AGO
A better idea to raise funds for infrastructure etc. is to get rid of the waste of money to foreign institutions e.g. the UN,  the IPCC and quite a few others. Then start cutting the bureaucracy down to a rasonable size; we don't need 1 bureaucrat for every 2 people employed in real work.


Ray 1 HOUR AGO
We have been running record deficits for almost a decade now and where has it got us?

When will these ivory tower idealists from the international institutions start to realize that their prescriptions are in fact the problem not the solution.  Then again, it is perhaps too much to expect more from economists who are safely ensconced in their sheltered workshops, having never had to produce anything tangible, or take responsibility for any decision.


Ian 1 HOUR AGO
Beware the IMF!

Their goal is to impoverish every nation around the world, the Socialist dream, then the IMF with it's own money called SDR can coming riding in to rescue them but there will be strings attached such as surrendering soverignty to the Evil socialist UN.

The Labor Greens would see this as a green light to go on another wasteful spree on useless project, Rudd and Gillard reincarnated.

The Western nations has already surrendered too much of their rights to the UN.

SDR = Special Drawing Rights, check it out guys!



Matthew 1 HOUR AGO
I bet they do!
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Reply #2 - Jan 9th, 2017 at 6:24am
 
When interest rates are low it is a good time to borrow for large capital projects. That is just commonsense. Said capital projects last for decades and boost the economy so paying for themselves. At the moment we have high and growing unemployment and underemployment

Why can’t you understand that? If you want to buy a house would you borrow when interest rates on mortgages are 4% or when they are 14%?
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Reply #3 - Jan 9th, 2017 at 6:45am
 
Jolly Monk,

As a dyed in the wool Socialist you regard the source of funds as just a giant bottomless bucket up there in the sky.

You conveniently forget that the economy was in surplus before the Krudd/Gillard/Krudd Socialist abortion got at it and almost reduced the Aust economy to ruins.

This Socialist Labor abortion borrowed without a care and then WASTED the whole flamin' lot on Socialist stupidity!!!!

Now the incoming LNP govt is faced with an interest bill of $1 billion per month and there is absolutely NOTHING to show for all the wasted govt foreign debt incurred by the Krudd/Gillard/Krudd Socialist abortion.

So ScoMo, aware of an AAA credit warning, is very wary of incurring any further borrowing even if it is responsibly spent on essential infrastructure like new power stations.

ScoMo needs to dramatically boost exports to earn foreign income so the astronomical foreign govt debt created AND wasted by the Labor Socialists can be paid down.
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Reply #4 - Jan 9th, 2017 at 6:45am
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Jan 9th, 2017 at 6:24am:
When interest rates are low it is a good time to borrow for large capital projects. That is just commonsense. Said capital projects last for decades and boost the economy so paying for themselves. At the moment we have high and growing unemployment and underemployment

Why can’t you understand that? If you want to buy a house would you borrow when interest rates on mortgages are 4% or when they are 14%?



are you ******* serious?

what an absolute dickhead...

you are the type of person who votes for the labor/greens coalition who will strangle Australia with debt selling out future generations to pay for your lazy wasteful arse...

you are a halfwit and a disgrace...  Angry
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Reply #5 - Jan 9th, 2017 at 6:53am
 
The level of economic ignorance is staggering but to be expected from the coalition supporters.  That's because they can't differentiate between business, household and government budgets and their purposes.
Not going to bother to post the zillion of links that over and over talk about this.  Coalition supporters tend to be too ideologically bound to change their minds but can't provide rational (and statistically/evidence based) debate.

Still, the point of this post for the still-open minded people - yes, the current coalition thinking is wrong, and can be shown wrong.
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Reply #6 - Jan 9th, 2017 at 6:58am
 
Oh my very own personal troll, Poor Stunned consumed by envy and jealousy, is following me around like a faithful hound.

How touching.
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juliar wrote on Jan 9th, 2017 at 6:45am:
Jolly Monk,

As a dyed in the wool Socialist you regard the source of funds as just a giant bottomless bucket up there in the sky.

You conveniently forget that the economy was in surplus before the Krudd/Gillard/Krudd Socialist abortion got at it and almost reduced the Aust economy to ruins.

This Socialist Labor abortion borrowed without a care and then WASTED the whole flamin' lot on Socialist stupidity!!!!

Now the incoming LNP govt is faced with an interest bill of $1 billion per month and there is absolutely NOTHING to show for all the wasted govt foreign debt incurred by the Krudd/Gillard/Krudd Socialist abortion.

So ScoMo, aware of an AAA credit warning, is very wary of incurring any further borrowing even if it is responsibly spent on essential infrastructure like new power stations.

ScoMo needs to dramatically boost exports to earn foreign income so the astronomical foreign govt debt created AND wasted by the Labor Socialists can be paid down.


No of course I don’t. But have a look at charts of national debt from 1945 to 1990 say. Our best period for employment etc was 1945 to say 1965 which were years where the debt was high.

We now face a loss of jobs and a loss of fulltime jobs, time to invest in productive infrastructure to grow the economy. Growing the economy is how debt gets paid off, something the shambles in Canberra is yet to learn.

As to the surpluses of the 2001–7 real estate boom those got spent and the spending was built into the Budget: tax cuts, pork and middleclass welfare. Once the boom ended with the arrival of the GFC the boom revenue stopped rolling in but the high spending continued.

The Gillard/Swan govt cut some of this structural deficit, removing the stupid Baby Bonus and means testing the health insurance rebate. More needs to be done and the Lib govt is not doing any of that, instead applying austerity which, inevitably, means the economy is contracting and jobs are disappearing.

The Rudd stimulus protected jobs here and unlike nearly ALL advanced economies we did not go into recession.
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Reply #8 - Jan 9th, 2017 at 6:59am
 
The Mechanic,

bore it up the Jolly Monk he deserves it as he is just a stirrer.
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Reply #9 - Jan 9th, 2017 at 7:05am
 
juliar wrote on Jan 9th, 2017 at 6:58am:
Oh my very own personal troll, Poor Stunned consumed by envy and jealousy, is following me around like a faithful hound.

How touching.


I'm merely ensuring the voice of reason amidst your thread of crappiness.  You're most welcome.
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President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Jan 9th, 2017 at 6:45am:
Jovial Monk wrote on Jan 9th, 2017 at 6:24am:
When interest rates are low it is a good time to borrow for large capital projects. That is just commonsense. Said capital projects last for decades and boost the economy so paying for themselves. At the moment we have high and growing unemployment and underemployment

Why can’t you understand that? If you want to buy a house would you borrow when interest rates on mortgages are 4% or when they are 14%?



are you ******* serious?

what an absolute dickhead...

you are the type of person who votes for the labor/greens coalition who will strangle Australia with debt selling out future generations to pay for your lazy wasteful arse...

you are a halfwit and a disgrace...  Angry

Another abusive rightard.

Can you point to a thing I said that was wrong?

Are interest rates high or low?

Are jobs disappearing and part time jobs replacing fulltime jobs?
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Reply #11 - Jan 9th, 2017 at 7:11am
 
JM,

come on now that was the immediate post war period when there was frantic activity to restore the nation.

Times now are vastly different with no Tariff Walls any more and lots of better developed countries competing directly with Australia who don't have the insidious problem of Bill Shorten and his corrupt Commo unions' sabotage and extortion artificially forcing up the cost of living and the cost of production.

ScoMo has to contend first with the dead loss of the vast foreign govt debt created AND wasted by the Krudd/Gillard/Krudd Socialist abortion before incurring any more foreign govt debt.

Also, there is the ever present problem of the malignant UN Agenda 21 inspired Greenie saboteurs who delay large projects for years.

Aust desperately needs plain speaking no nonsense pioneers like Patriotic Pauline to get this country back onto the rails and on the road to a brilliant export led recovery.

Trumpy is doing this in the USA even as we speak. Mal would if he could but he is hamstrung by the wong dong Senate and the hostile to Aust Labor and the Greenies.
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Reply #12 - Jan 9th, 2017 at 7:17am
 
juliar wrote on Jan 9th, 2017 at 7:11am:
JM,

come on now that was the immediate post war period when there was frantic activity to restore the nation.

Times now are vastly different with no Tariff Walls any more and lots of better developed countries competing directly with Australia who don't have the insidious problem of Bill Shorten and his corrupt Commo unions' sabotage and extortion artificially forcing up the cost of living and the cost of production.

ScoMo has to contend first with the dead loss of the vast foreign govt debt created AND wasted by the Krudd/Gillard/Krudd Socialist abortion before incurring any more foreign govt debt.

Also, there is the ever present problem of the malignant UN Agenda 21 inspired Greenie saboteurs who delay large projects for years.

Aust desperately needs plain speaking no nonsense pioneers like Patriotic Pauline to get this country back onto the rails and on the road to a brilliant export led recovery.

Trumpy is doing this in the USA even as we speak. Mal would if he could but he is hamstrung by the wong dong Senate and the hostile to Aust Labor and the Greenies.

Was there frantic activity to rebuild the nation in the 50s and 60s? Nope. There was investment like the Snowy Mountains Scheme, roads etc.

We need to do the same now. Roll out FTTH not this junk MTM that does practically nothing to boost internet speeds and is already hampering businesses because of low speeds and frequent dropouts. There is work needed on main roads and railway lines, ports etc. That would create jobs, good jobs.

Instead the Libs are wasting $60Bn (and the rest. . .) on the MTM where the stupid FTTN bit has cost so much that the HFC areas will not see any increase in speeds. The MTM will not boost jobs, exports or GDP where FTTH would have.

Interest rates are low. This is the time for governments and companies to borrow to build productive infrastructure.
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Juliar posted:

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come on now that was the immediate post war period when there was frantic activity to restore the nation.


That was a good observation, although calling 1960 the immediate post WWIi is stretching things.

ScoMo is applying austerity at a time stimulus is needed. You have noticed, juliar, that government debt and deficits are INCREASING under hokey and under morriscum? Nearly half a trillion dollars gross debt, a multiple of the debt left behind by Gillard/Swan.

That is because the structural Budget deficit created by Howard and Costello is still there, funneling taxpayers money to the rich by tax exemptions on super, by negative gearing and the excessive CGT exemption, by the health care rebate funneling tax payers money to private insurance companies etc etc.

Furthermore, by applying austerity, by frightening the public with the 2014 Budget the shambles has ensured spending by the household sector, final demand, is decreasing.

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Reply #14 - Jan 9th, 2017 at 7:54am
 
JM,

your scrambled Socialist thinking is confusing.

You seem to forget Aust has just gotten a AAA credit warning.

Mal and Pauline's hands are tied by the crummy Senate and the hostile to Aust Labor and the Greenies.

You also conveniently overlook that the malignant Greenies would do everything in their overseas funded power to STOP any significant development.
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