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Reply #150 - Jan 26^th, 2017 at 10:16am

Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 26^th, 2017 at 10:13am:

cods wrote on Jan 26^th, 2017 at 10:04am:

I find it sickening to see anyones flag burnt the height of disrespect... I am sure they are all happy to take whatever they can from the supporters of the flag though...

as it is all it does is turn me against any aboriginal protest...I think.. they dont respect me or this country..

why would I respect them..

simple really!

It's only a small bunch of them, codsey - by no means all.

really??..

to hear mothra report on 200 years ago..

its was all Brits...

so why should I think any different.. Angry

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Reply #151 - Jan 26^th, 2017 at 10:26am

cods wrote on Jan 26^th, 2017 at 10:15am:

Th British colonised this country. They did so brutally. Any suggestion of how other people may have made it worse is moot. It is not worthy of academia. It is moot.

The British tore families apart. Disected human beings to send samples home to Mother England. Massacred countless of people. Drove people off their lands. Set them up in reservations where they exploited them. Stole children. Put people in chains. Made people work for nothing. Indentured them but didn't give them the right to vote.

Utterly decimated them.

Exploited them.

Sent their body parts back to England as curiosities.

ye gods...

AUstralia was founded on convicts/criminals ..

so yes an awful lot of bad people..made a lot of bad mistakes...but even this sounds over the top historically.....

do we ever expect anything to heal...when all people do is claim all the problems were one way... Angry

no one living was there...probably very few could actually write the history as it was being played out..

so a lot is by word of mouth..

even N ed Kelly has become a HERO today... nothing at all to do with reality..

Do you need a book to tel you how Aboriginal people were treated?

Come on Cods. You can do better than that.

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Reply #152 - Jan 26^th, 2017 at 10:33am

mothra wrote on Jan 26^th, 2017 at 10:26am:

Do you need a book to tel you how Aboriginal people were treated

yes please just to know where you get you knowledge from...it would be a great help thank you

like I said I know some god awful things happened....

in very very difficult times..

but nothing like you claim..

so yes point me to the historian you are reading..

the BRITISH .. your words..

I am surprised there are any aboriginals left to be honest. Angry

you do know european diseases counted for a lot of deaths .. were they also chopped up and sent off to Britain.

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Reply #153 - Jan 26^th, 2017 at 10:36am

mothra wrote on Jan 26^th, 2017 at 9:59am:

I've read your comments. From Australia was better off colonised by the British to aren't the happy Indigenous folk doing better and i wonder how you can so spectacularly missed the point.

Th British colonised this country. They did so brutally. Any suggestion of how other people may have made it worse is moot. It is not worthy of academia. It is moot.

The British tore families apart. Disected human beings to send samples home to Mother England. Massacred countless of people. Drove people off their lands. Set them up in reservations where they exploited them. Stole children. Put people in chains. Made people work for nothing. Indentured them but didn't give them the right to vote.

Utterly decimated them.

Exploited them.

Sent their body parts back to England as curiosities.

And today. 2017. I read this thread and i think none of you have any respect for the First Australians. No matter how well some of them have done No matter the great accomplishments, despite all odds, some have managed to pull off.

You'r all stuck on the worst case scenario.

And those worst case scenario are overblown. There is more good than there is bad. To their indescribable credit.

I don;t evr hear on this forum people talking about the success stories.

Imagine, going from hunter gatherer to professor in 200 years. To business mogul. To real state developer. To Olympian. To film maker. To politician.

All done and dusted. DESPITE adversity.

The First Australians are a proud and wonderful people. Certainly there are significant problems but those problems don't define the main.

In one load of crap you discredit the British and praise the aborigines. Anybody could tell which side you bread is buttered on. Roll Eyes

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Reply #155 - Jan 26^th, 2017 at 10:39am

cods wrote on Jan 26^th, 2017 at 10:33am:

mothra wrote on Jan 26^th, 2017 at 10:26am:

Do you need a book to tel you how Aboriginal people were treated

yes please just to know where you get you knowledge from...it would be a great help thank you

like I said I know some god awful things happened....

in very very difficult times..

but nothing like you claim..

so yes point me to the historian you are reading..

the BRITISH .. your words..

I am surprised there are any aboriginals left to be honest. Angry

you do know european diseases counted for a lot of deaths .. were they also chopped up and sent off to Britain.

Nothing like i claim?

please tel me what i have claimed you disagree with

Yes. Let's start there..

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Reply #156 - Jan 26^th, 2017 at 10:52am

mothra wrote on Jan 26^th, 2017 at 9:59am:

I've read your comments. From Australia was better off colonised by the British to aren't the happy Indigenous folk doing better and i wonder how you can so spectacularly missed the point.

Th British colonised this country. They did so brutally. Any suggestion of how other people may have made it worse is moot. It is not worthy of academia. It is moot.

The British tore families apart. Disected human beings to send samples home to Mother England. Massacred countless of people. Drove people off their lands. Set them up in reservations where they exploited them. Stole children. Put people in chains. Made people work for nothing. Indentured them but didn't give them the right to vote.

Utterly decimated them.

Exploited them.

Sent their body parts back to England as curiosities.

And today. 2017. I read this thread and i think none of you have any respect for the First Australians. No matter how well some of them have done No matter the great accomplishments, despite all odds, some have managed to pull off.

You'r all stuck on the worst case scenario.

And those worst case scenario are overblown. There is more good than there is bad. To their indescribable credit.

I don;t evr hear on this forum people talking about the success stories.

Imagine, going from hunter gatherer to professor in 200 years. To business mogul. To real state developer. To Olympian. To film maker. To politician.

All done and dusted. DESPITE adversity.

The First Australians are a proud and wonderful people. Certainly there are significant problems but those problems don't define the main.

We gave them Jesus, beer, tobacco, and Centrelink - what more could they want?

Cool

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mothra Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 35072 Gender:	Re: Invasion Day and Terra Nullius Reply #157 - Jan 26^th, 2017 at 10:58am https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_massacres_of_Indigenous_Australians
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Reply #159 - Jan 26^th, 2017 at 11:10am

mothra wrote on Jan 26^th, 2017 at 10:58am:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_massacres_of_Indigenous_Australians

Yep.

A lot of reprisal killings for abo mischief, from stealing to killing whites.

Pretty much the same was going on back there in England with highway men and murderers.

An awful lot of whites in the new colony were getting hanged at that time.

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Abos:

Black Tommy - 31 December 1827 - (sometimes called Jackey-Jackey) Wiradjuri man from Bathurst district, hanged for murder in Sydney.

Moowattin (aka Daniel Mowatty) - 1 November 1816 - Hanged for the rape of a 15-year-old girl at Parramatta. The first indigenous person legally hanged in Australia.[9]

Charley - 4 September 1835 - Gringai man, actual name not recorded. Hanged at Dungog for his involvement in the murder of five white settlers at Rawdon Vale as part of the frontier conflict in the Barrington River district ("The Mackenzie Murders"). In Charley's case, he was named specifically for being responsible for the death of Fred Simmons.[52]

Mickey Mickey - 28 February 1835 - Hanged at Sydney for the rape of Margaret Hanswall at Watagan.

... and a few more.

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mothra Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 35072 Gender:	Re: Invasion Day and Terra Nullius Reply #160 - Jan 26^th, 2017 at 11:24am Didnt read the link, did you Herbie.
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Reply #161 - Jan 26^th, 2017 at 11:27am

mothra wrote on Jan 26^th, 2017 at 9:59am:

I've read your comments. From Australia was better off colonised by the British to aren't the happy Indigenous folk doing better and i wonder how you can so spectacularly missed the point.

Th British colonised this country. They did so brutally. Any suggestion of how other people may have made it worse is moot. It is not worthy of academia. It is moot.

The British tore families apart. Disected human beings to send samples home to Mother England. Massacred countless of people. Drove people off their lands. Set them up in reservations where they exploited them. Stole children. Put people in chains. Made people work for nothing. Indentured them but didn't give them the right to vote.

Utterly decimated them.

Exploited them.

Sent their body parts back to England as curiosities.

And today. 2017. I read this thread and i think none of you have any respect for the First Australians. No matter how well some of them have done No matter the great accomplishments, despite all odds, some have managed to pull off.

You'r all stuck on the worst case scenario.

And those worst case scenario are overblown. There is more good than there is bad. To their indescribable credit.

I don;t evr hear on this forum people talking about the success stories.

Imagine, going from hunter gatherer to professor in 200 years. To business mogul. To real state developer. To Olympian. To film maker. To politician.

All done and dusted. DESPITE adversity.

The First Australians are a proud and wonderful people. Certainly there are significant problems but those problems don't define the main.

Mothra, humans have been surging across the planet for 200k years.
When one tribe meets another the way it usually goes down is they fight and they fkuc until one group looks like the other group.

It's happened to every group of humans on the earth but Aboriginals were largely isolated and avoided this until just a few hundred years ago but it happening was in inevitable.

Why should Aboriginals be excluded from what all cultures go through?

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Reply #162 - Jan 26^th, 2017 at 11:29am

Gordon wrote on Jan 26^th, 2017 at 11:27am:

mothra wrote on Jan 26^th, 2017 at 9:59am:

I've read your comments. From Australia was better off colonised by the British to aren't the happy Indigenous folk doing better and i wonder how you can so spectacularly missed the point.

Th British colonised this country. They did so brutally. Any suggestion of how other people may have made it worse is moot. It is not worthy of academia. It is moot.

The British tore families apart. Disected human beings to send samples home to Mother England. Massacred countless of people. Drove people off their lands. Set them up in reservations where they exploited them. Stole children. Put people in chains. Made people work for nothing. Indentured them but didn't give them the right to vote.

Utterly decimated them.

Exploited them.

Sent their body parts back to England as curiosities.

And today. 2017. I read this thread and i think none of you have any respect for the First Australians. No matter how well some of them have done No matter the great accomplishments, despite all odds, some have managed to pull off.

You'r all stuck on the worst case scenario.

And those worst case scenario are overblown. There is more good than there is bad. To their indescribable credit.

I don;t evr hear on this forum people talking about the success stories.

Imagine, going from hunter gatherer to professor in 200 years. To business mogul. To real state developer. To Olympian. To film maker. To politician.

All done and dusted. DESPITE adversity.

The First Australians are a proud and wonderful people. Certainly there are significant problems but those problems don't define the main.

Mothra, humans have been surging across the planet for 200k years.
When one tribe meets another the way it usually goes down is they fight and they fkuc until one group looks like the other group.

It's happened to every group of humans on the earth but Aboriginals were largely isolated and avoided this until just a few hundred years ago but it happening was in inevitable.

Why should Aboriginals be excluded from what all cultures go through?

Because we have evolved.

We need a treaty and we need it yesterday.

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Reply #163 - Jan 26^th, 2017 at 11:32am

mothra wrote on Jan 26^th, 2017 at 11:29am:

Gordon wrote on Jan 26^th, 2017 at 11:27am:

mothra wrote on Jan 26^th, 2017 at 9:59am:

I've read your comments. From Australia was better off colonised by the British to aren't the happy Indigenous folk doing better and i wonder how you can so spectacularly missed the point.

Th British colonised this country. They did so brutally. Any suggestion of how other people may have made it worse is moot. It is not worthy of academia. It is moot.

The British tore families apart. Disected human beings to send samples home to Mother England. Massacred countless of people. Drove people off their lands. Set them up in reservations where they exploited them. Stole children. Put people in chains. Made people work for nothing. Indentured them but didn't give them the right to vote.

Utterly decimated them.

Exploited them.

Sent their body parts back to England as curiosities.

And today. 2017. I read this thread and i think none of you have any respect for the First Australians. No matter how well some of them have done No matter the great accomplishments, despite all odds, some have managed to pull off.

You'r all stuck on the worst case scenario.

And those worst case scenario are overblown. There is more good than there is bad. To their indescribable credit.

I don;t evr hear on this forum people talking about the success stories.

Imagine, going from hunter gatherer to professor in 200 years. To business mogul. To real state developer. To Olympian. To film maker. To politician.

All done and dusted. DESPITE adversity.

The First Australians are a proud and wonderful people. Certainly there are significant problems but those problems don't define the main.

Mothra, humans have been surging across the planet for 200k years.
When one tribe meets another the way it usually goes down is they fight and they fkuc until one group looks like the other group.

It's happened to every group of humans on the earth but Aboriginals were largely isolated and avoided this until just a few hundred years ago but it happening was in inevitable.

Why should Aboriginals be excluded from what all cultures go through?

Because we have evolved.

We need a treaty and we need it yesterday.

Will a treaty magically stop 4 years old girls in remote communities getting chlamydia?

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Re: Invasion Day and Terra Nullius
Reply #164 - Jan 26^th, 2017 at 11:39am

Gordon wrote on Jan 26^th, 2017 at 11:32am:

mothra wrote on Jan 26^th, 2017 at 11:29am:

Gordon wrote on Jan 26^th, 2017 at 11:27am:

mothra wrote on Jan 26^th, 2017 at 9:59am:

I've read your comments. From Australia was better off colonised by the British to aren't the happy Indigenous folk doing better and i wonder how you can so spectacularly missed the point.

Th British colonised this country. They did so brutally. Any suggestion of how other people may have made it worse is moot. It is not worthy of academia. It is moot.

The British tore families apart. Disected human beings to send samples home to Mother England. Massacred countless of people. Drove people off their lands. Set them up in reservations where they exploited them. Stole children. Put people in chains. Made people work for nothing. Indentured them but didn't give them the right to vote.

Utterly decimated them.

Exploited them.

Sent their body parts back to England as curiosities.

And today. 2017. I read this thread and i think none of you have any respect for the First Australians. No matter how well some of them have done No matter the great accomplishments, despite all odds, some have managed to pull off.

You'r all stuck on the worst case scenario.

And those worst case scenario are overblown. There is more good than there is bad. To their indescribable credit.

I don;t evr hear on this forum people talking about the success stories.

Imagine, going from hunter gatherer to professor in 200 years. To business mogul. To real state developer. To Olympian. To film maker. To politician.

All done and dusted. DESPITE adversity.

The First Australians are a proud and wonderful people. Certainly there are significant problems but those problems don't define the main.

Mothra, humans have been surging across the planet for 200k years.
When one tribe meets another the way it usually goes down is they fight and they fkuc until one group looks like the other group.

It's happened to every group of humans on the earth but Aboriginals were largely isolated and avoided this until just a few hundred years ago but it happening was in inevitable.

Why should Aboriginals be excluded from what all cultures go through?

Because we have evolved.

We need a treaty and we need it yesterday.

Will a treaty magically stop 4 years old girls in remote communities getting chlamydia?

What a stupid question.

Wll it empower the First Australians? Will it go some way to repairing the damage done? Will it bring closure? Will it be a second step ( the apology being th first) to bringing peace to Aboriginal people?

Treaty. Now.

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