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Reply #165 - Jan 26^th, 2017 at 11:43am

mothra wrote on Jan 26^th, 2017 at 11:39am:

Gordon wrote on Jan 26^th, 2017 at 11:32am:

mothra wrote on Jan 26^th, 2017 at 11:29am:

Gordon wrote on Jan 26^th, 2017 at 11:27am:

mothra wrote on Jan 26^th, 2017 at 9:59am:

I've read your comments. From Australia was better off colonised by the British to aren't the happy Indigenous folk doing better and i wonder how you can so spectacularly missed the point.

Th British colonised this country. They did so brutally. Any suggestion of how other people may have made it worse is moot. It is not worthy of academia. It is moot.

The British tore families apart. Disected human beings to send samples home to Mother England. Massacred countless of people. Drove people off their lands. Set them up in reservations where they exploited them. Stole children. Put people in chains. Made people work for nothing. Indentured them but didn't give them the right to vote.

Utterly decimated them.

Exploited them.

Sent their body parts back to England as curiosities.

And today. 2017. I read this thread and i think none of you have any respect for the First Australians. No matter how well some of them have done No matter the great accomplishments, despite all odds, some have managed to pull off.

You'r all stuck on the worst case scenario.

And those worst case scenario are overblown. There is more good than there is bad. To their indescribable credit.

I don;t evr hear on this forum people talking about the success stories.

Imagine, going from hunter gatherer to professor in 200 years. To business mogul. To real state developer. To Olympian. To film maker. To politician.

All done and dusted. DESPITE adversity.

The First Australians are a proud and wonderful people. Certainly there are significant problems but those problems don't define the main.

Mothra, humans have been surging across the planet for 200k years.
When one tribe meets another the way it usually goes down is they fight and they fkuc until one group looks like the other group.

It's happened to every group of humans on the earth but Aboriginals were largely isolated and avoided this until just a few hundred years ago but it happening was in inevitable.

Why should Aboriginals be excluded from what all cultures go through?

Because we have evolved.

We need a treaty and we need it yesterday.

Will a treaty magically stop 4 years old girls in remote communities getting chlamydia?

What a stupid question.

Wll it empower the First Australians? Will it go some way to repairing the damage done? Will it bring closure? Will it be a second step ( the apology being th first) to bringing peace to Aboriginal people?

Treaty. Now.

Window dressing. The only thing that will make Aboriginals lives better is the time it will take them to assimilate. 1 or 2 hundred year I reckon.

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mothra Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 35243 Gender:	Re: Invasion Day and Terra Nullius Reply #166 - Jan 26^th, 2017 at 11:51am flip
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Reply #167 - Jan 26^th, 2017 at 12:04pm

Gordon wrote on Jan 26^th, 2017 at 11:43am:

mothra wrote on Jan 26^th, 2017 at 11:39am:

Gordon wrote on Jan 26^th, 2017 at 11:32am:

mothra wrote on Jan 26^th, 2017 at 11:29am:

Gordon wrote on Jan 26^th, 2017 at 11:27am:

mothra wrote on Jan 26^th, 2017 at 9:59am:

I've read your comments. From Australia was better off colonised by the British to aren't the happy Indigenous folk doing better and i wonder how you can so spectacularly missed the point.

Th British colonised this country. They did so brutally. Any suggestion of how other people may have made it worse is moot. It is not worthy of academia. It is moot.

The British tore families apart. Disected human beings to send samples home to Mother England. Massacred countless of people. Drove people off their lands. Set them up in reservations where they exploited them. Stole children. Put people in chains. Made people work for nothing. Indentured them but didn't give them the right to vote.

Utterly decimated them.

Exploited them.

Sent their body parts back to England as curiosities.

And today. 2017. I read this thread and i think none of you have any respect for the First Australians. No matter how well some of them have done No matter the great accomplishments, despite all odds, some have managed to pull off.

You'r all stuck on the worst case scenario.

And those worst case scenario are overblown. There is more good than there is bad. To their indescribable credit.

I don;t evr hear on this forum people talking about the success stories.

Imagine, going from hunter gatherer to professor in 200 years. To business mogul. To real state developer. To Olympian. To film maker. To politician.

All done and dusted. DESPITE adversity.

The First Australians are a proud and wonderful people. Certainly there are significant problems but those problems don't define the main.

Mothra, humans have been surging across the planet for 200k years.
When one tribe meets another the way it usually goes down is they fight and they fkuc until one group looks like the other group.

It's happened to every group of humans on the earth but Aboriginals were largely isolated and avoided this until just a few hundred years ago but it happening was in inevitable.

Why should Aboriginals be excluded from what all cultures go through?

Because we have evolved.

We need a treaty and we need it yesterday.

Will a treaty magically stop 4 years old girls in remote communities getting chlamydia?

What a stupid question.

Wll it empower the First Australians? Will it go some way to repairing the damage done? Will it bring closure? Will it be a second step ( the apology being th first) to bringing peace to Aboriginal people?

Treaty. Now.

Window dressing. The only thing that will make Aboriginals lives better is the time it will take them to assimilate. 1 or 2 hundred year I reckon.

Utter bollocks. They are already assimilating nicely. We have Indigenous people throughout the upper echelons of society and every other facet who are calling out for is a treaty.

When it comes to the grief and loss experienced by those not doing so well, then a treaty would only serve them well. It will not be a cure-all, but it will be a jolly good start.

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Reply #168 - Jan 26^th, 2017 at 12:05pm

So, who does the Commonwealth, a democratic institution with solid legal traditions, make a treaty with? A group of self-appointed malcontents slung together for the purpose of signing a treaty? That would be utterly meaningless. There never was such an organisation or tribal leadership, and try to invent one at this late date, makes the Terra Nullius of 1788 seem a reasonable.

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Reply #169 - Jan 26^th, 2017 at 12:09pm

issuevoter wrote on Jan 26^th, 2017 at 12:05pm:

So, who does the Commonwealth, a democratic institution with solid legal traditions, make a treaty with? A group of self-appointed malcontents slung together for the purpose of signing a treaty? That would be utterly meaningless. There never was such an organisation or tribal leadership, and try to invent one at this late date, makes the Terra Nullius of 1788 seem a reasonable.

There certainly was tribal leadership. Still is.

A treaty must be held with the Elders of this land.

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Postmodern Trendoid III Gold Member Offline Posts: 10259 Gender:	Re: Invasion Day and Terra Nullius Reply #170 - Jan 26^th, 2017 at 12:21pm all lefties should practice what they preach and give away all their possessions to the aborigines.
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miketrees Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6490 Gender:	Re: Invasion Day and Terra Nullius Reply #171 - Jan 26^th, 2017 at 12:22pm A treaty must be held with the Elders of this land. If you think Israelis and Palestinians don't get on,,, they are just amateurs compared to how our indigenous people will fight over who controls what. (This was related to me by one of my aboriginal mates on the mines )
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Reply #172 - Jan 26^th, 2017 at 12:24pm

miketrees wrote on Jan 26^th, 2017 at 12:22pm:

A treaty must be held with the Elders of this land.

If you think Israelis and Palestinians don't get on,,, they are just amateurs compared to how our indigenous people will fight over who controls what.

(This was related to me by one of my aboriginal mates on the mines )

no-one wil control anything with a treaty.

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mothra Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 35243 Gender:	Re: Invasion Day and Terra Nullius Reply #173 - Jan 26^th, 2017 at 12:25pm Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jan 26^th, 2017 at 12:21pm: all lefties should practice what they preach and give away all their possessions to the aborigines. God you're an idiot.
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Postmodern Trendoid III Gold Member Offline Posts: 10259 Gender:	Re: Invasion Day and Terra Nullius Reply #174 - Jan 26^th, 2017 at 12:43pm nope. just a man who respects honesty and integrity.
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miketrees Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6490 Gender:	Re: Invasion Day and Terra Nullius Reply #175 - Jan 26^th, 2017 at 12:46pm no-one wil control anything with a treaty. Just out of interest Mothra,,, have you ever met any Aboriginal people. I mean get out in the real world where things are happening and met some?
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Reply #176 - Jan 26^th, 2017 at 12:49pm

miketrees wrote on Jan 26^th, 2017 at 12:46pm:

no-one wil control anything with a treaty.

Just out of interest Mothra,,, have you ever met any Aboriginal people.

I mean get out in the real world where things are happening and met some?

She hasn't been to Myanmar but she's met lots of rohingya, but won't say how.

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mothra Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 35243 Gender:	Re: Invasion Day and Terra Nullius Reply #177 - Jan 26^th, 2017 at 12:58pm miketrees wrote on Jan 26^th, 2017 at 12:46pm: no-one wil control anything with a treaty. Just out of interest Mothra,,, have you ever met any Aboriginal people. I mean get out in the real world where things are happening and met some? Plenty. I work with some. Have met others on my travels. Call some friends.
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Reply #178 - Jan 26^th, 2017 at 12:59pm

Gordon wrote on Jan 26^th, 2017 at 12:49pm:

miketrees wrote on Jan 26^th, 2017 at 12:46pm:

no-one wil control anything with a treaty.

Just out of interest Mothra,,, have you ever met any Aboriginal people.

I mean get out in the real world where things are happening and met some?

She hasn't been to Myanmar but she's met lots of rohingya, but won't say how.

Did i ever say lots of?

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Reply #179 - Jan 26^th, 2017 at 1:14pm

cods wrote on Jan 26^th, 2017 at 10:33am:

mothra wrote on Jan 26^th, 2017 at 10:26am:

Do you need a book to tel you how Aboriginal people were treated

yes please just to know where you get you knowledge from...it would be a great help thank you

like I said I know some god awful things happened....

in very very difficult times..

but nothing like you claim..

so yes point me to the historian you are reading..

the BRITISH .. your words..

I am surprised there are any aboriginals left to be honest. Angry

you do know european diseases counted for a lot of deaths .. were they also chopped up and sent off to Britain.

Indigenous culture and history is in all academic/university text books now..it is set in stone..what Mothra says is the absolute truth.

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