Australian Politics Forum - Invasion Day and Terra Nullius

rhino Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 17179 Gender:	Re: Invasion Day and Terra Nullius Reply #180 - Jan 26^th, 2017 at 1:20pm A treaty will only be an excuse for a land grab by those 90 percent white individuals riding on the gravy train of aboriginal victimhood.
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Re: Invasion Day and Terra Nullius
Reply #181 - Jan 26^th, 2017 at 1:22pm

Agnes wrote on Jan 26^th, 2017 at 1:14pm:

cods wrote on Jan 26^th, 2017 at 10:33am:

mothra wrote on Jan 26^th, 2017 at 10:26am:

Do you need a book to tel you how Aboriginal people were treated

yes please just to know where you get you knowledge from...it would be a great help thank you

like I said I know some god awful things happened....

in very very difficult times..

but nothing like you claim..

so yes point me to the historian you are reading..

the BRITISH .. your words..

I am surprised there are any aboriginals left to be honest. Angry

you do know european diseases counted for a lot of deaths .. were they also chopped up and sent off to Britain.

Indigenous culture and history is in all academic/university text books now..it is set in stone..what Mothra says is the absolute truth.

Just shows how little you people know about the subject.

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mothra Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 35242 Gender:	Re: Invasion Day and Terra Nullius Reply #182 - Jan 26^th, 2017 at 1:26pm rhino wrote on Jan 26^th, 2017 at 1:20pm: A treaty will only be an excuse for a land grab by those 90 percent white individuals riding on the gravy train of aboriginal victimhood. Bulshit.
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Mr Hammer Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 25212 Gender:	Re: Invasion Day and Terra Nullius Reply #183 - Jan 26^th, 2017 at 1:28pm
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Mr Hammer Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 25212 Gender:	Re: Invasion Day and Terra Nullius Reply #184 - Jan 26^th, 2017 at 1:29pm mothra wrote on Jan 26^th, 2017 at 1:26pm: rhino wrote on Jan 26^th, 2017 at 1:20pm: A treaty will only be an excuse for a land grab by those 90 percent white individuals riding on the gravy train of aboriginal victimhood. Bulshit. No. Trueshit.
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Reply #185 - Jan 26^th, 2017 at 1:34pm

mothra wrote on Jan 26^th, 2017 at 12:09pm:

issuevoter wrote on Jan 26^th, 2017 at 12:05pm:

So, who does the Commonwealth, a democratic institution with solid legal traditions, make a treaty with? A group of self-appointed malcontents slung together for the purpose of signing a treaty? That would be utterly meaningless. There never was such an organisation or tribal leadership, and try to invent one at this late date, makes the Terra Nullius of 1788 seem a reasonable.

There certainly was tribal leadership. Still is.

A treaty must be held with the Elders of this land.

Tribes? What a lot of rubbish. When Lt Phillip circumnativagated, three times, his Sydney natives could not communicate with the CLANS they come in contact with, in other parts of Australia.

Any so called treaty will be with a bunch of people got together for no other purpose. They will have no authority whatsoever in indigenous communities, and the only signatory to be held accountable will be the Commonwealth. The only result will be Bantu mentality, and a further sense of social division.

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rhino Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 17179 Gender:	Re: Invasion Day and Terra Nullius Reply #186 - Jan 26^th, 2017 at 1:38pm There was no "nation" to invade. A disparate group of tribes living in enmity with each other.
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Reply #187 - Jan 26^th, 2017 at 1:41pm

issuevoter wrote on Jan 26^th, 2017 at 1:34pm:

mothra wrote on Jan 26^th, 2017 at 12:09pm:

issuevoter wrote on Jan 26^th, 2017 at 12:05pm:

So, who does the Commonwealth, a democratic institution with solid legal traditions, make a treaty with? A group of self-appointed malcontents slung together for the purpose of signing a treaty? That would be utterly meaningless. There never was such an organisation or tribal leadership, and try to invent one at this late date, makes the Terra Nullius of 1788 seem a reasonable.

There certainly was tribal leadership. Still is.

A treaty must be held with the Elders of this land.

Tribes? What a lot of rubbish. When Lt Phillip circumnativagated, three times, his Sydney natives could not communicate with the CLANS they come in contact with, in other parts of Australia.

Any so called treaty will be with a bunch of people got together for no other purpose. They will have no authority whatsoever in indigenous communities, and the only signatory to be held accountable will be the Commonwealth. The only result will be Bantu mentality, and a further sense of social division.

Why do you think thos people Lt Phillip had in custody couldn't speak with any other nations they encountered?

Divrse and interesting tapestry.

And here we are, calling them a the same names.

Treaty. Now.

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mothra Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 35242 Gender:	Re: Invasion Day and Terra Nullius Reply #188 - Jan 26^th, 2017 at 1:42pm rhino wrote on Jan 26^th, 2017 at 1:38pm: There was no "nation" to invade. A disparate group of tribes living in enmity with each other. There were many nations.
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Reply #189 - Jan 26^th, 2017 at 1:45pm

mothra wrote on Jan 26^th, 2017 at 1:41pm:

issuevoter wrote on Jan 26^th, 2017 at 1:34pm:

mothra wrote on Jan 26^th, 2017 at 12:09pm:

issuevoter wrote on Jan 26^th, 2017 at 12:05pm:

So, who does the Commonwealth, a democratic institution with solid legal traditions, make a treaty with? A group of self-appointed malcontents slung together for the purpose of signing a treaty? That would be utterly meaningless. There never was such an organisation or tribal leadership, and try to invent one at this late date, makes the Terra Nullius of 1788 seem a reasonable.

There certainly was tribal leadership. Still is.

A treaty must be held with the Elders of this land.

Tribes? What a lot of rubbish. When Lt Phillip circumnativagated, three times, his Sydney natives could not communicate with the CLANS they come in contact with, in other parts of Australia.

Any so called treaty will be with a bunch of people got together for no other purpose. They will have no authority whatsoever in indigenous communities, and the only signatory to be held accountable will be the Commonwealth. The only result will be Bantu mentality, and a further sense of social division.

Why do you think thos people Lt Phillip had in custody couldn't speak with any other nations they encountered?

Divrse and interesting tapestry.

And here we are, calling them a the same names.

Treaty. Now.

He did not have anyone in custody. You are just revealing your ignorance of history, and your propensity for left leaning conspiracy theories.

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Reply #190 - Jan 26^th, 2017 at 1:48pm

issuevoter wrote on Jan 26^th, 2017 at 1:45pm:

mothra wrote on Jan 26^th, 2017 at 1:41pm:

issuevoter wrote on Jan 26^th, 2017 at 1:34pm:

mothra wrote on Jan 26^th, 2017 at 12:09pm:

issuevoter wrote on Jan 26^th, 2017 at 12:05pm:

So, who does the Commonwealth, a democratic institution with solid legal traditions, make a treaty with? A group of self-appointed malcontents slung together for the purpose of signing a treaty? That would be utterly meaningless. There never was such an organisation or tribal leadership, and try to invent one at this late date, makes the Terra Nullius of 1788 seem a reasonable.

There certainly was tribal leadership. Still is.

A treaty must be held with the Elders of this land.

Tribes? What a lot of rubbish. When Lt Phillip circumnativagated, three times, his Sydney natives could not communicate with the CLANS they come in contact with, in other parts of Australia.

Any so called treaty will be with a bunch of people got together for no other purpose. They will have no authority whatsoever in indigenous communities, and the only signatory to be held accountable will be the Commonwealth. The only result will be Bantu mentality, and a further sense of social division.

Why do you think thos people Lt Phillip had in custody couldn't speak with any other nations they encountered?

Divrse and interesting tapestry.

And here we are, calling them a the same names.

Treaty. Now.

He did not have anyone in custody. You are just revealing your ignorance of history, and your propensity for left leaning conspiracy theories.

You mean non captives, like Bennelong?

Oh, how much you don't understand.

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Mr Hammer Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 25212 Gender:	Re: Invasion Day and Terra Nullius Reply #191 - Jan 26^th, 2017 at 1:53pm How is it going to help Australia having the aborigines having our land in their hands?
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Re: Invasion Day and Terra Nullius
Reply #192 - Jan 26^th, 2017 at 2:07pm

mothra wrote on Jan 26^th, 2017 at 1:48pm:

issuevoter wrote on Jan 26^th, 2017 at 1:45pm:

mothra wrote on Jan 26^th, 2017 at 1:41pm:

issuevoter wrote on Jan 26^th, 2017 at 1:34pm:

mothra wrote on Jan 26^th, 2017 at 12:09pm:

issuevoter wrote on Jan 26^th, 2017 at 12:05pm:

So, who does the Commonwealth, a democratic institution with solid legal traditions, make a treaty with? A group of self-appointed malcontents slung together for the purpose of signing a treaty? That would be utterly meaningless. There never was such an organisation or tribal leadership, and try to invent one at this late date, makes the Terra Nullius of 1788 seem a reasonable.

There certainly was tribal leadership. Still is.

A treaty must be held with the Elders of this land.

Tribes? What a lot of rubbish. When Lt Phillip circumnativagated, three times, his Sydney natives could not communicate with the CLANS they come in contact with, in other parts of Australia.

Any so called treaty will be with a bunch of people got together for no other purpose. They will have no authority whatsoever in indigenous communities, and the only signatory to be held accountable will be the Commonwealth. The only result will be Bantu mentality, and a further sense of social division.

Why do you think thos people Lt Phillip had in custody couldn't speak with any other nations they encountered?

Divrse and interesting tapestry.

And here we are, calling them a the same names.

Treaty. Now.

He did not have anyone in custody. You are just revealing your ignorance of history, and your propensity for left leaning conspiracy theories.

You mean non captives, like Bennelong?

Oh, how much you don't understand.

OK. Lets cut the chase. You have stated that Lt Phillip King's native interpreters in his three voyages, where in custody.

I will give you the opportunity to withdraw that statement due to my Typo. (Phillip King).

If you do not withdraw that statement, you must now cite your historical references the support your statement. This is not just to make the point that you don't know anything about the tribes PK came in contact with, but that you tried to infer that the interpreters were there for some ulterior motive.

Unless you can cite these documents, you are a liar, and do indigenous history no service.

Don't blather, just cite the documents.

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Lord Herbert Gold Member Offline Posts: 34441 Gender:	Re: Invasion Day and Terra Nullius Reply #193 - Jan 26^th, 2017 at 2:14pm mothra wrote on Jan 26^th, 2017 at 11:24am: Didnt read the link, did you Herbie. Did you read mine? Total-up the whites being hanged back then and it was more than the abos being hanged for duffing and murder.
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Lord Herbert Gold Member Offline Posts: 34441 Gender:	Re: Invasion Day and Terra Nullius Reply #194 - Jan 26^th, 2017 at 2:21pm mothra wrote on Jan 26^th, 2017 at 1:41pm: Treaty. Now. Treaty? NO! If they go back into the bush and live as their ancestors did, then we'll think about it. But while they're enjoying living off the products of Western civilisation and endeavour, they are being amply rewarded from us, their hosts.
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