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Reply #45 - Jan 21st, 2017 at 5:08pm
 
longweekend58 wrote on Jan 21st, 2017 at 4:26pm:
A) the US already has first-past the post voting.
B) when you ask the entire country to vote for just two positions Pres and VP, it doesnt seem to make sense to use a college system




Well I take it then you would prefer they had just First Past the Post voting, nothing else. If they went that way, it would be counter to Australia's beliefs about it. What if we did away with preferential voting, how would that go?
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Reply #46 - Jan 21st, 2017 at 5:16pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Jan 21st, 2017 at 5:04pm:
BigOl64 wrote on Jan 21st, 2017 at 1:01pm:
Jezz this fkken clown is supposed to be a lecturer at one of our more prestigious universities and his subject is politics. The cretin does even understand the laws surrounding our compulsory voting system.  Grin Grin Grin


Here is the snippet, feel free to read the rest of his horse sh1t opinion if you want, most of it is inane drivel.


"Voters are not compelled to support a candidate or even to cast a valid ballot. They are obliged to turn up."

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/19/opinion/voting-should-be-mandatory.html?smid=...




Here is the truth, something that escapes walled's statements most of the time


Under the Electoral Act, the actual duty of the elector is to attend a polling place, have their name marked off the certified list, receive a ballot paper and take it to an individual voting booth, mark it, fold the ballot paper and place it in the ballot box.

It is not the case, as some people have claimed, that it is only compulsory to attend the polling place and have your name marked off, and this has been upheld by a number of legal decisions:
™ High Court 1926 – Judd v McKeon (1926) 38 CLR 380
™ Supreme Court of Victoria 1970 – Lubcke v Little [1970] VR 807
™ High Court 1971 – Faderson v Bridger (1971) 126 CLR 271
™ Supreme Court of Queensland 1974 – Krosch v Springbell; ex parte Krosch [1974] QdR 107
™ ACT Supreme Court 1981 – O’Brien v Warden (1981) 37 ACTR 13


And some people here think he knows what he is talking about; guess again numpties, you've duped,  Grin Grin




Tell me, Bigol64, does anybody actually make sure that you cast a vote, when you vote?   Roll Eyes


This is supposedly President Waleed's quote:

"Voters are not compelled to support a candidate or even to cast a valid ballot. They are obliged to turn up."

This is from BigHole's own quote (from the AEC):

"Under the Electoral Act, the actual duty of the elector is to attend a polling place, have their name marked off the certified list, receive a ballot paper and take it to an individual voting booth, mark it, fold the ballot paper and place it in the ballot box."

So, looking at the three parts of our future President's quote:

1. Nothing from the AEC about being compelled to support a candidate.

2. Nothing about casting a valid vote.

3. It says they must attend a polling place, and King Aly said "They are obliged to turn up".

He did not, as BigHole has wrongfully assumed, say "They are ONLY obliged to turn up".

Mr President is right and BigHole is, once again, wrong.

- Voters are not compelled to support a candidate
Correct

- or even to cast a valid ballot.
Correct

- They are obliged to turn up.
Correct
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Reply #47 - Jan 21st, 2017 at 5:56pm
 
Bias_2012 wrote on Jan 21st, 2017 at 5:08pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Jan 21st, 2017 at 4:26pm:
A) the US already has first-past the post voting.
B) when you ask the entire country to vote for just two positions Pres and VP, it doesnt seem to make sense to use a college system




Well I take it then you would prefer they had just First Past the Post voting, nothing else. If they went that way, it would be counter to Australia's beliefs about it. What if we did away with preferential voting, how would that go?


Look, you clown.... I said nothing of the sort and I support preferential voting. I said nothing about the US system other than to tell you what it actually is.
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Reply #48 - Jan 21st, 2017 at 6:15pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Jan 21st, 2017 at 5:04pm:
BigOl64 wrote on Jan 21st, 2017 at 1:01pm:
Jezz this fkken clown is supposed to be a lecturer at one of our more prestigious universities and his subject is politics. The cretin does even understand the laws surrounding our compulsory voting system.  Grin Grin Grin


Here is the snippet, feel free to read the rest of his horse sh1t opinion if you want, most of it is inane drivel.


"Voters are not compelled to support a candidate or even to cast a valid ballot. They are obliged to turn up."

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/19/opinion/voting-should-be-mandatory.html?smid=...




Here is the truth, something that escapes walled's statements most of the time


Under the Electoral Act, the actual duty of the elector is to attend a polling place, have their name marked off the certified list, receive a ballot paper and take it to an individual voting booth, mark it, fold the ballot paper and place it in the ballot box.

It is not the case, as some people have claimed, that it is only compulsory to attend the polling place and have your name marked off, and this has been upheld by a number of legal decisions:
™ High Court 1926 – Judd v McKeon (1926) 38 CLR 380
™ Supreme Court of Victoria 1970 – Lubcke v Little [1970] VR 807
™ High Court 1971 – Faderson v Bridger (1971) 126 CLR 271
™ Supreme Court of Queensland 1974 – Krosch v Springbell; ex parte Krosch [1974] QdR 107
™ ACT Supreme Court 1981 – O’Brien v Warden (1981) 37 ACTR 13


And some people here think he knows what he is talking about; guess again numpties, you've duped,  Grin Grin




Tell me, Bigol64, does anybody actually make sure that you cast a vote, when you vote?   Roll Eyes




Since I don't vote Id say no.


But you do know that this was the Australian Electoral Commission stating this, not me, don't you?


I can give you a link to that AEC or you could easily find it just like that idiot waleed could have by using google.

So everyone after me, that fkkwit walleed made a false statement because he is a cretin and the AEC states that you cannot just get your name ticked off the ballot; it is NOT BigOl stating this but the fkken AEC!  Smiley Smiley


Glad to see another fine Australian no longer ignorant of the system they vote under.

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Reply #49 - Jan 21st, 2017 at 6:16pm
 
BigOl64 wrote on Jan 21st, 2017 at 6:15pm:
So everyone after me, that fkkwit walleed made a false statement ...




No, he didn't.

You've made a complete fool of yourself.

His statement is 100% correct.

- Voters are not compelled to support a candidate -
correct


- or even to cast a valid ballot. -
correct


- They are obliged to turn up. -
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Reply #50 - Jan 21st, 2017 at 6:17pm
 
longweekend58 wrote on Jan 21st, 2017 at 4:26pm:
Bias_2012 wrote on Jan 21st, 2017 at 3:52pm:
Bias_2012 wrote on Jan 21st, 2017 at 2:15pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Jan 21st, 2017 at 2:06pm:
no they didnt. Even with voluntary voting, Clinton got a big majority of the votes. And if you included all the lazy people who didnt vote, Trump woudlnt have even gotten close.



So do you think the US should have "First Past the Post" voting?




longy, would you prefer the Electoral College be scrapped and just the "popular" vote retained? That's the only way Clinton could have won

If the US changed to First Past the Post voting, would you be happy with that? There's no chance of it happening but there's nothing stopping you from suggesting it as a viable alternative ... but you'd have to convince 50 States, the States take precedence over the Fed, you wouldn't think it these days, but they do indeed. There's no chance of compulsory voting either

So what do you think about the voting system in the US? it stinks in your opinion and needs changing, or is it Ok? How would you ensure candidates who get the most "popular" votes, can win ?





A) the US already has first-past the post voting.
B) when you ask the entire country to vote for just two positions Pres and VP, it doesnt seem to make sense to use a college system

and yes, the US electoral system is an abomination which is so fragmented and so open to abuse that it is a disaster. what did you think of North Carolina which passed a voter ID law specifically designed to disenfranchise blacks and student. They literally researched ID mainly used by these groups and then banned them.  You think that this is even remotely fair? Or how about the recent election where a Democrat won the governors mansion and the REpublican congress literally voted to strip the governor of most of his powers.

THIS is the USA electoral system

This is the system where elections are run by local committees comprised of members of political parties which can and have, literally banned people from auditing the votes.

REmember 2000? the supreme court with a majority of republican appointees voted to HALT A RECOUNT because GWB was in front.


so does it stink?  I can think of some third-world cesspools with a more open and less corrupt system. Did Trump ACTUALLY win? We will never know since recounts have to be paid for by individuals and even then, can be stopped by judges who owe allegiance to politics above democracy.

STINKS AND THEN SOME



So not about compulsory voting then.

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Reply #51 - Jan 21st, 2017 at 6:20pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 21st, 2017 at 6:16pm:
BigOl64 wrote on Jan 21st, 2017 at 6:15pm:
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So everyone after me, that fkkwit walleed made a false statement ...




No, he didn't.

You've made a complete fool of yourself.

His statement is 100% correct.




The courts of Australian made that statement fkkwit not me I just posted what THEY fkken said.

What the fkk is wrong with you people is it your poor state school education or were you dropped on your head as a child?

He is a dullard and your are doing your usual bullsh1t to cover that up.


BTW why the fkk are you still here?


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Reply #52 - Jan 21st, 2017 at 6:24pm
 
BigOl64 wrote on Jan 21st, 2017 at 6:20pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 21st, 2017 at 6:16pm:
BigOl64 wrote on Jan 21st, 2017 at 6:15pm:
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So everyone after me, that fkkwit walleed made a false statement ...




No, he didn't.

You've made a complete fool of yourself.

His statement is 100% correct.




The courts of Australian made that statement fkkwit not me I just posted what THEY fkken said.



Yes, but you failed to actually read what they said.

"It is not the case, as some people have claimed, that it is only compulsory to attend the polling place and have your name marked off".

And Waleed's statement:

"Voters are not compelled to support a candidate or even to cast a valid ballot. They are obliged to turn up."

You'll notice the absence of the word "only".

Thus, Mr Waleed is 100% correct.

You have made an absolute fool of yourself with this thread.



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Reply #53 - Jan 21st, 2017 at 6:43pm
 
BigOl64 wrote on Jan 21st, 2017 at 1:01pm:
"Voters are not compelled to support a candidate or even to cast a valid ballot. They are obliged to turn up."

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/19/opinion/voting-should-be-mandatory.html?smid=...




Here is the truth, something that escapes walled's statements most of the time


Under the Electoral Act, the actual duty of the elector is to attend a polling place, have their name marked off the certified list, receive a ballot paper and take it to an individual voting booth, mark it, fold the ballot paper and place it in the ballot box.

It is not the case, as some people have claimed, that it is only compulsory to attend the polling place and have your name marked off, and this has been upheld by a number of legal decisions:
™ High Court 1926 – Judd v McKeon (1926) 38 CLR 380
™ Supreme Court of Victoria 1970 – Lubcke v Little [1970] VR 807
™ High Court 1971 – Faderson v Bridger (1971) 126 CLR 271
™ Supreme Court of Queensland 1974 – Krosch v Springbell; ex parte Krosch [1974] QdR 107
™ ACT Supreme Court 1981 – O’Brien v Warden (1981) 37 ACTR 13


And some people here think he knows what he is talking about; guess again numpties, you've duped,  Grin Grin



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Under the Electoral Act, the actual duty of the elector is to attend a polling place, have their name marked off the certified list, receive a ballot paper and take it to an individual voting booth,
mark it
, fold the ballot paper and place it in the ballot box.


Technically Wally is pretty close to the mark,

Quote:
"Voters are not compelled to support a candidate or even to cast a valid ballot.


This is actually very close to the mark. You are required to mark the ballot, that would include drawing Donald duck on it, there is no compulsion to cast a valid vote, just to mark the ballot paper.
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Reply #54 - Jan 21st, 2017 at 6:49pm
 
hes only bitching because his side lost...BIG TIME...

the yanks and the Brits would still have had more people voting without compulsary than Australia does with it..

whats it got to do with him how the west run their elections..

how about looking at those Muslum countries..

where a king can have 70 children to carry on the LINE>...yeah right

have you noticed this guy never has a shot at them does he???...

I think there are still countries that dont allow women to vote..

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2013/10/27/7-ridiculous-restri...

waleed should take a shot at these archaic rules then I might take a look at what he has to say about Australia until then....


With Saudi Arabian women behind the wheel since Saturday to protest their country's refusal to grant driver's licenses to women, they’re challenging not only long-standing restriction, but also a the larger system of Saudi Arabian gender-based laws, some of the harshest in the world.

According to one measurement, though, there are actually several countries that rank lower on women;s rights than Saudi Arabia. The World Economic Forum, which publishes the preeminent ranking on gender gap issues, ranked Saudi Arabia 10th from the bottom in its 2013 report -- ahead of Mali, Morocco, Iran, Cote d’Ivoire, Mauritania, Syria, Chad, Pakistan and Yemen. Women’s rights abuses are by no means limited to North Africa, West Africa or the Middle East, though that’s where we tend to hear such stories most frequently.

“A lot of the most severe stuff comes out of legal or de facto guardianship systems,” said Rothna Begum, a researcher who tracks women’s rights in the Middle East and North Africa for the advocacy group Human Rights Watch.

But she adds that, especially in Saudi Arabia, “things are modernizing.”

Here are nine other remarkable legal restrictions against women, from Asia to Latin America:

1. India (some parts): Road safety rules don’t apply to women. In some states of India, women are excepted from safety rules that mandate motorcycle passengers wear helmets -- an exemption that kills or injures thousands each year. Women’s rights advocates have argued the exemption springs from a culture-wide devaluation of women’s lives. Supporters of the ban say they’re just trying to preserve women’s carefully styled hair and make-up -- which isn’t exactly a feminist response.

2. Yemen: A woman is considered only half a witness. That’s the policy on legal testimony in Yemen, where a woman is not, to quote a 2005 Freedom House report, “recognized as a full person before the court.” In general, a single woman’s testimony isn’t taken seriously unless it’s backed by a man’s testimony or concerns a place or situation where a man would not be. And women can’t testify at all in cases of adultery, libel, theft or sodomy.

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Reply #55 - Jan 21st, 2017 at 6:53pm
 
BigOl64 wrote on Jan 21st, 2017 at 6:15pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jan 21st, 2017 at 5:04pm:
Tell me, Bigol64, does anybody actually make sure that you cast a vote, when you vote?   Roll Eyes


Since I don't vote Id say no.


But you do know that this was the Australian Electoral Commission stating this, not me, don't you?


Oh, yes.  I recognise it from their paraphenalia.

So, you don't vote.  You are quoting from the AEC how it likes the voting to occur, not how it actually happens, nor the instructions which are usually given before the opening of the Polling Booth to the various functionaries by the Polling Booth supervisor.

You are aware what those instructions are, aren't you, Bigol64?

IIRC they are:  "The voters will be made to form a queue.  They will be directed to the first member of staff that is free and they will have their name marked off the roll.  They will be handed their ballot paper and directed to the voting booth.  If they refuse the ballot paper you are to ask them again and if they again refuse it, you are to hand it to the supervisor who will fold and place it in the ballot box.  Once they have marked the paper (assuming of course they have taken it), they are to then fold and place it in the ballot box.   On no account are they allowed to leave the Ballot Station with a ballot paper in their possession.

You will note, no voter is forced to take a ballot paper.  No one is standing over them when they mark the ballot paper (or not).   They are prevented from leaving the Ballot Station with any ballot papers.

The only way they can be fined is if they refuse to have their name marked off the roll.   They are not made to vote.

I have worked on elections, at the Ballot Booth as an AEC official now for the last 20 years, both at State and Federal elections.

I think it's time you voted, Bigol64, to acquaint yourself with the procedures from a voter's viewpoint.   Roll Eyes
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Reply #56 - Jan 21st, 2017 at 6:54pm
 
Dnarever wrote on Jan 21st, 2017 at 6:43pm:
BigOl64 wrote on Jan 21st, 2017 at 1:01pm:
"Voters are not compelled to support a candidate or even to cast a valid ballot. They are obliged to turn up."

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/19/opinion/voting-should-be-mandatory.html?smid=...




Here is the truth, something that escapes walled's statements most of the time


Under the Electoral Act, the actual duty of the elector is to attend a polling place, have their name marked off the certified list, receive a ballot paper and take it to an individual voting booth, mark it, fold the ballot paper and place it in the ballot box.

It is not the case, as some people have claimed, that it is only compulsory to attend the polling place and have your name marked off, and this has been upheld by a number of legal decisions:
™ High Court 1926 – Judd v McKeon (1926) 38 CLR 380
™ Supreme Court of Victoria 1970 – Lubcke v Little [1970] VR 807
™ High Court 1971 – Faderson v Bridger (1971) 126 CLR 271
™ Supreme Court of Queensland 1974 – Krosch v Springbell; ex parte Krosch [1974] QdR 107
™ ACT Supreme Court 1981 – O’Brien v Warden (1981) 37 ACTR 13


And some people here think he knows what he is talking about; guess again numpties, you've duped,  Grin Grin



Quote:
Under the Electoral Act, the actual duty of the elector is to attend a polling place, have their name marked off the certified list, receive a ballot paper and take it to an individual voting booth,
mark it
, fold the ballot paper and place it in the ballot box.


Technically Wally is pretty close to the mark,

Quote:
"Voters are not compelled to support a candidate or even to cast a valid ballot.


This is actually very close to the mark. You are required to mark the ballot, that would include drawing Donald duck on it, there is no compulsion to cast a valid vote, just to mark the ballot paper.


Correct.

And he didn't say the only requirement was turning up at the polling place.

He said "They are obliged to turn up", which is quite correct.

He said nothing wrong in his statement.

BigHole has made a fool of himself with this thread.


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Reply #57 - Jan 21st, 2017 at 6:56pm
 
I seem to remember an old saying

you can lead a horse to water
but you cant make it drink..


thats smacks of this thread.. who cares who ,really cares about the dotted Is or the crossed Ts.....

you are obliged if you have any manners at all.. Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
to take the ballot form....as I do...

if you refuse to take it.. or tear it up... is anyone obliged to arrest you...or do they ignore you.??....

the officer who hands you the form puts a number or something on it..is this so it can be checked to see if you did in fact vote or give them the big finger?????>..

until a whole load of people do this.....Big Finger..


I guess we will never know.....zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
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Reply #58 - Jan 21st, 2017 at 7:01pm
 
cods wrote on Jan 21st, 2017 at 6:49pm:
hes only bitching because his side lost...BIG TIME...

the yanks and the Brits would still have had more people voting without compulsary than Australia does with it..


Really?

Australia generally has a ~94% valid voter turn out.

The UK has generally about ~66% voter turn out.

The US has generally about ~58% voter turn out.

I think Australia leads by quite a margin...   Roll Eyes
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Reply #59 - Jan 21st, 2017 at 7:03pm
 
cods wrote on Jan 21st, 2017 at 6:56pm:
I seem to remember an old saying

you can lead a horse to water
but you cant make it drink..


thats smacks of this thread.. who cares who ,really cares about the dotted Is or the crossed Ts.....

you are obliged if you have any manners at all.. Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
to take the ballot form....as I do...

if you refuse to take it.. or tear it up... is anyone obliged to arrest you...or do they ignore you.??....

the officer who hands you the form puts a number or something on it..is this so it can be checked to see if you did in fact vote or give them the big finger?????>..

until a whole load of people do this.....Big Finger..


I guess we will never know.....zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz


The Ballot official has to initial the ballot paper. If it isn't initialled the vote is invalid. This is to prevent people bringing their own ballot sheets and voting multiple times.
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