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Re: Waleed clueless about voting/politics/most things
Reply #60 - Jan 21^st, 2017 at 7:34pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 21^st, 2017 at 6:24pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Jan 21^st, 2017 at 6:20pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 21^st, 2017 at 6:16pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Jan 21^st, 2017 at 6:15pm:

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So everyone after me, that fkkwit walleed made a false statement ...

No, he didn't.

You've made a complete fool of yourself.

His statement is 100% correct.

The courts of Australian made that statement fkkwit not me I just posted what THEY fkken said.

Yes, but you failed to actually read what they said.

"It is not the case, as some people have claimed, that it is only compulsory to attend the polling place and have your name marked off".

And Waleed's statement:

"Voters are not compelled to support a candidate or even to cast a valid ballot. They are obliged to turn up."

You'll notice the absence of the word "only".

Thus, Mr Waleed is 100% correct.

You have made an absolute fool of yourself with this thread.

Indeed. Case closed.

Sorry Big Ol, but you just got showed up.

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Re: Waleed clueless about voting/politics/most things
Reply #61 - Jan 21^st, 2017 at 7:36pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 21^st, 2017 at 7:34pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 21^st, 2017 at 6:24pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Jan 21^st, 2017 at 6:20pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 21^st, 2017 at 6:16pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Jan 21^st, 2017 at 6:15pm:

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So everyone after me, that fkkwit walleed made a false statement ...

No, he didn't.

You've made a complete fool of yourself.

His statement is 100% correct.

The courts of Australian made that statement fkkwit not me I just posted what THEY fkken said.

Yes, but you failed to actually read what they said.

"It is not the case, as some people have claimed, that it is only compulsory to attend the polling place and have your name marked off".

And Waleed's statement:

"Voters are not compelled to support a candidate or even to cast a valid ballot. They are obliged to turn up."

You'll notice the absence of the word "only".

Thus, Mr Waleed is 100% correct.

You have made an absolute fool of yourself with this thread.

Indeed. Case closed.

Sorry Big Ol, but you just got showed up.

That 7 or 8 times today Bighole?

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Re: Waleed clueless about voting/politics/most things
Reply #62 - Jan 21^st, 2017 at 7:43pm

cods wrote on Jan 21^st, 2017 at 6:56pm:

I seem to remember an old saying

you can lead a horse to water
but you cant make it drink..

thats smacks of this thread.. who cares who ,really cares about the dotted Is or the crossed Ts.....

you are obliged if you have any manners at all.. Roll Eyes

to take the ballot form....as I do...

if you refuse to take it.. or tear it up... is anyone obliged to arrest you...or do they ignore you.??....

the officer who hands you the form puts a number or something on it..is this so it can be checked to see if you did in fact vote or give them the big finger?????>..

until a whole load of people do this.....Big Finger..

I guess we will never know.....zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

In Australia, we vote the "Australian vote" - secret ballot. There is nothing on the ballot paper that identifies it with yourself. What the Polling official does is initial it, with their own initials to indicate that it is a valid paper.

Interestingly, in the UK, they do not have a secret ballot. Each ballot paper has a number. This is marked against your name on the electoral roll when you are handed the ballot paper. Ballot papers are kept for IIRC 14 years. If the Government so wished, they could trace back who voted for which candidate. Tsk, tsk. Roll Eyes

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Reply #63 - Jan 21^st, 2017 at 8:09pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 21^st, 2017 at 5:56pm:

Bias_2012 wrote on Jan 21^st, 2017 at 5:08pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 21^st, 2017 at 4:26pm:

A) the US already has first-past the post voting.
B) when you ask the entire country to vote for just two positions Pres and VP, it doesnt seem to make sense to use a college system

Well I take it then you would prefer they had just First Past the Post voting, nothing else. If they went that way, it would be counter to Australia's beliefs about it. What if we did away with preferential voting, how would that go?

Look, you clown.... I said nothing of the sort and I support preferential voting. I said nothing about the US system other than to tell you what it actually is.

Keep your stupid mouth shut then about the US not getting the president they wanted

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Reply #64 - Jan 21^st, 2017 at 8:15pm

Bias_2012 wrote on Jan 21^st, 2017 at 8:09pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 21^st, 2017 at 5:56pm:

Bias_2012 wrote on Jan 21^st, 2017 at 5:08pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 21^st, 2017 at 4:26pm:

A) the US already has first-past the post voting.
B) when you ask the entire country to vote for just two positions Pres and VP, it doesnt seem to make sense to use a college system

Well I take it then you would prefer they had just First Past the Post voting, nothing else. If they went that way, it would be counter to Australia's beliefs about it. What if we did away with preferential voting, how would that go?

Look, you clown.... I said nothing of the sort and I support preferential voting. I said nothing about the US system other than to tell you what it actually is.

Keep your stupid mouth shut then about the US not getting the president they wanted

When Trump got about 25% of the vote and Clinton finished with over 3,000,000 more votes it is difficult to argue that it is the result that Americans wanted but it is the result they got.

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Re: Waleed clueless about voting/politics/most things
Reply #66 - Jan 21^st, 2017 at 8:43pm

BigOl64 wrote on Jan 21^st, 2017 at 6:17pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 21^st, 2017 at 4:26pm:

Bias_2012 wrote on Jan 21^st, 2017 at 3:52pm:

Bias_2012 wrote on Jan 21^st, 2017 at 2:15pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 21^st, 2017 at 2:06pm:

no they didnt. Even with voluntary voting, Clinton got a big majority of the votes. And if you included all the lazy people who didnt vote, Trump woudlnt have even gotten close.

So do you think the US should have "First Past the Post" voting?

longy, would you prefer the Electoral College be scrapped and just the "popular" vote retained? That's the only way Clinton could have won

If the US changed to First Past the Post voting, would you be happy with that? There's no chance of it happening but there's nothing stopping you from suggesting it as a viable alternative ... but you'd have to convince 50 States, the States take precedence over the Fed, you wouldn't think it these days, but they do indeed. There's no chance of compulsory voting either

So what do you think about the voting system in the US? it stinks in your opinion and needs changing, or is it Ok? How would you ensure candidates who get the most "popular" votes, can win ?

A) the US already has first-past the post voting.
B) when you ask the entire country to vote for just two positions Pres and VP, it doesnt seem to make sense to use a college system

and yes, the US electoral system is an abomination which is so fragmented and so open to abuse that it is a disaster. what did you think of North Carolina which passed a voter ID law specifically designed to disenfranchise blacks and student. They literally researched ID mainly used by these groups and then banned them. You think that this is even remotely fair? Or how about the recent election where a Democrat won the governors mansion and the REpublican congress literally voted to strip the governor of most of his powers.

THIS is the USA electoral system

This is the system where elections are run by local committees comprised of members of political parties which can and have, literally banned people from auditing the votes.

REmember 2000? the supreme court with a majority of republican appointees voted to HALT A RECOUNT because GWB was in front.

so does it stink? I can think of some third-world cesspools with a more open and less corrupt system. Did Trump ACTUALLY win? We will never know since recounts have to be paid for by individuals and even then, can be stopped by judges who owe allegiance to politics above democracy.

STINKS AND THEN SOME

So not about compulsory voting then.

I could show you that compulsory voting would have prevented WW2 and you'd still support voluntary. You wank on endlessly about the supposed 'sacrifice' of the military and yet you aren't even selfless enough to VOTE.

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Re: Waleed clueless about voting/politics/most things
Reply #67 - Jan 21^st, 2017 at 8:46pm

Bias_2012 wrote on Jan 21^st, 2017 at 8:09pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 21^st, 2017 at 5:56pm:

Bias_2012 wrote on Jan 21^st, 2017 at 5:08pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 21^st, 2017 at 4:26pm:

A) the US already has first-past the post voting.
B) when you ask the entire country to vote for just two positions Pres and VP, it doesnt seem to make sense to use a college system

Well I take it then you would prefer they had just First Past the Post voting, nothing else. If they went that way, it would be counter to Australia's beliefs about it. What if we did away with preferential voting, how would that go?

Look, you clown.... I said nothing of the sort and I support preferential voting. I said nothing about the US system other than to tell you what it actually is.

Keep your stupid mouth shut then about the US not getting the president they wanted

You think there is some kind of connection between those two statement you boofhead? the vote is routinely rigged... by republicans as in north carolina or other examples of where republicans only are allowed to count the votes and let's not forget the republican supreme court in 2000 literally stopping recount to avoid a possible democrat win.

the confidence in the integrity of the american voting system is low by western standards. we lose a handul of votes in an election and a re-election is ordered. The americans lose 100,000 and the republic courts, government or electoral committee dont give crap.

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Re: Waleed clueless about voting/politics/most things
Reply #68 - Jan 21^st, 2017 at 8:50pm

Bias_2012 wrote on Jan 21^st, 2017 at 8:09pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 21^st, 2017 at 5:56pm:

Bias_2012 wrote on Jan 21^st, 2017 at 5:08pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 21^st, 2017 at 4:26pm:

A) the US already has first-past the post voting.
B) when you ask the entire country to vote for just two positions Pres and VP, it doesnt seem to make sense to use a college system

Well I take it then you would prefer they had just First Past the Post voting, nothing else. If they went that way, it would be counter to Australia's beliefs about it. What if we did away with preferential voting, how would that go?

Look, you clown.... I said nothing of the sort and I support preferential voting. I said nothing about the US system other than to tell you what it actually is.

Keep your stupid mouth shut then about the US not getting the president they wanted

Most unpopular incoming President in modern history.

Very low turnout for his inauguration.

And, this is the kicker, more people voted for Clinton than Trump.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure it's safe to say that America didn't get the President they wanted, and at least 3 million people would agree with me.

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Reply #69 - Jan 21^st, 2017 at 9:41pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 21^st, 2017 at 8:50pm:

Bias_2012 wrote on Jan 21^st, 2017 at 8:09pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 21^st, 2017 at 5:56pm:

Bias_2012 wrote on Jan 21^st, 2017 at 5:08pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 21^st, 2017 at 4:26pm:

A) the US already has first-past the post voting.
B) when you ask the entire country to vote for just two positions Pres and VP, it doesnt seem to make sense to use a college system

Well I take it then you would prefer they had just First Past the Post voting, nothing else. If they went that way, it would be counter to Australia's beliefs about it. What if we did away with preferential voting, how would that go?

Look, you clown.... I said nothing of the sort and I support preferential voting. I said nothing about the US system other than to tell you what it actually is.

Keep your stupid mouth shut then about the US not getting the president they wanted

Most unpopular incoming President in modern history.

By the same pollsters who said he'd never get the nomination and he'd never win.

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Re: Waleed clueless about voting/politics/most things
Reply #70 - Jan 21^st, 2017 at 9:46pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 21^st, 2017 at 8:43pm:

I could show you that compulsory voting would have prevented WW2 and you'd still support voluntary. You wank on endlessly about the supposed 'sacrifice' of the military and yet you aren't even selfless enough to VOTE.

Yes with manually counting that many votes they would have all been much too busy to fight.

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Reply #71 - Jan 21^st, 2017 at 9:48pm

Frank wrote on Jan 21^st, 2017 at 9:41pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 21^st, 2017 at 8:50pm:

Bias_2012 wrote on Jan 21^st, 2017 at 8:09pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 21^st, 2017 at 5:56pm:

Bias_2012 wrote on Jan 21^st, 2017 at 5:08pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 21^st, 2017 at 4:26pm:

A) the US already has first-past the post voting.
B) when you ask the entire country to vote for just two positions Pres and VP, it doesnt seem to make sense to use a college system

Well I take it then you would prefer they had just First Past the Post voting, nothing else. If they went that way, it would be counter to Australia's beliefs about it. What if we did away with preferential voting, how would that go?

Look, you clown.... I said nothing of the sort and I support preferential voting. I said nothing about the US system other than to tell you what it actually is.

Keep your stupid mouth shut then about the US not getting the president they wanted

Most unpopular incoming President in modern history.

By the same pollsters who said he'd never get the nomination and he'd never win.

There is also those pesky millions of people protesting that gives it away ?

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Reply #72 - Jan 21^st, 2017 at 11:20pm

Its time wrote on Jan 21^st, 2017 at 7:36pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 21^st, 2017 at 7:34pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 21^st, 2017 at 6:24pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Jan 21^st, 2017 at 6:20pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 21^st, 2017 at 6:16pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Jan 21^st, 2017 at 6:15pm:

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So everyone after me, that fkkwit walleed made a false statement ...

No, he didn't.

You've made a complete fool of yourself.

His statement is 100% correct.

The courts of Australian made that statement fkkwit not me I just posted what THEY fkken said.

Yes, but you failed to actually read what they said.

"It is not the case, as some people have claimed, that it is only compulsory to attend the polling place and have your name marked off".

And Waleed's statement:

"Voters are not compelled to support a candidate or even to cast a valid ballot. They are obliged to turn up."

You'll notice the absence of the word "only".

Thus, Mr Waleed is 100% correct.

You have made an absolute fool of yourself with this thread.

Indeed. Case closed.

Sorry Big Ol, but you just got showed up.

That 7 or 8 times today Bighole?

9, actually.

But who's counting?

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Reply #73 - Jan 21^st, 2017 at 11:34pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 21^st, 2017 at 11:20pm:

Its time wrote on Jan 21^st, 2017 at 7:36pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 21^st, 2017 at 7:34pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 21^st, 2017 at 6:24pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Jan 21^st, 2017 at 6:20pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 21^st, 2017 at 6:16pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Jan 21^st, 2017 at 6:15pm:

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So everyone after me, that fkkwit walleed made a false statement ...

No, he didn't.

You've made a complete fool of yourself.

His statement is 100% correct.

The courts of Australian made that statement fkkwit not me I just posted what THEY fkken said.

Yes, but you failed to actually read what they said.

"It is not the case, as some people have claimed, that it is only compulsory to attend the polling place and have your name marked off".

And Waleed's statement:

"Voters are not compelled to support a candidate or even to cast a valid ballot. They are obliged to turn up."

You'll notice the absence of the word "only".

Thus, Mr Waleed is 100% correct.

You have made an absolute fool of yourself with this thread.

Indeed. Case closed.

Sorry Big Ol, but you just got showed up.

That 7 or 8 times today Bighole?

9, actually.

But who's counting?

Not me , much

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