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Re: Waleed clueless about voting/politics/most things
Reply #75 - Jan 22nd, 2017 at 6:51am
 
Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Jan 21st, 2017 at 11:56pm:
Can we leave the bitch fighting and get on the subject...


The subject is concluded. Big Ol's allegation against Waleed has been proven to be completely false, and not even Big Ol is defending his claim anymore. There's not much else to talk about really.
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Reply #76 - Jan 22nd, 2017 at 7:28am
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 21st, 2017 at 7:34pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 21st, 2017 at 6:24pm:
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So everyone after me, that fkkwit walleed made a false statement ...




No, he didn't.

You've made a complete fool of yourself.

His statement is 100% correct.




The courts of Australian made that statement fkkwit not me I just posted what THEY fkken said.



Yes, but you failed to actually read what they said.

"It is not the case, as some people have claimed, that it is only compulsory to attend the polling place and have your name marked off".

And Waleed's statement:

"Voters are not compelled to support a candidate or even to cast a valid ballot. They are obliged to turn up."

You'll notice the absence of the word "only".

Thus, Mr Waleed is 100% correct.

You have made an absolute fool of yourself with this thread.





Indeed. Case closed.

Sorry Big Ol, but you just got showed up.


It would have been easy to get this wrong, What Waleed said did seem suss on the face of it.
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Re: Waleed clueless about voting/politics/most things
Reply #77 - Jan 22nd, 2017 at 9:15am
 
Dnarever wrote on Jan 22nd, 2017 at 7:28am:
polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 21st, 2017 at 7:34pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 21st, 2017 at 6:24pm:
BigOl64 wrote on Jan 21st, 2017 at 6:20pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 21st, 2017 at 6:16pm:
BigOl64 wrote on Jan 21st, 2017 at 6:15pm:
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So everyone after me, that fkkwit walleed made a false statement ...




No, he didn't.

You've made a complete fool of yourself.

His statement is 100% correct.




The courts of Australian made that statement fkkwit not me I just posted what THEY fkken said.



Yes, but you failed to actually read what they said.

"It is not the case, as some people have claimed, that it is only compulsory to attend the polling place and have your name marked off".

And Waleed's statement:

"Voters are not compelled to support a candidate or even to cast a valid ballot. They are obliged to turn up."

You'll notice the absence of the word "only".

Thus, Mr Waleed is 100% correct.

You have made an absolute fool of yourself with this thread.





Indeed. Case closed.

Sorry Big Ol, but you just got showed up.


It would have been easy to get this wrong, What Waleed said did seem suss on the face of it.


In his (small) mind, BigHole inserted "only" into this statement:

"They are obliged to turn up"

That's where he went wrong.


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Reply #78 - Jan 22nd, 2017 at 9:55am
 
We demand nothing short of a written apology to our first president big hole
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Reply #79 - Jan 22nd, 2017 at 10:35am
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 22nd, 2017 at 6:51am:
Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Jan 21st, 2017 at 11:56pm:
Can we leave the bitch fighting and get on the subject...


The subject is concluded. Big Ol's allegation against Waleed has been proven to be completely false, and not even Big Ol is defending his claim anymore. There's not much else to talk about really.



The word not  is in front of that word only; as you are NOT only obliged to show up, but ........,.


And if any of you actually read the legal precedents you would see that your obligation does in fact extend beyond just showing up.

Were all of you dropped on your heads as babies?

I gave you the names to some very interesting cases involving our voting obligations; I know waleed did not read them but you lot of fkktards should have.  Grin Grin Grin




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Reply #80 - Jan 22nd, 2017 at 10:44am
 
BigOl64 wrote on Jan 22nd, 2017 at 10:35am:
And if any of you actually read the legal precedents you would see that your obligation does in fact extend beyond just showing up.


And nobody is saying it doesn't.

If you read the President's statement, you'll see that he didn't limit the voters' obligations to just showing up.

"Voters are not compelled to support a candidate or even to cast a valid ballot. They are obliged to turn up."

You done goofed, BigHole.



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Reply #81 - Jan 22nd, 2017 at 10:47am
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 21st, 2017 at 6:24pm:
BigOl64 wrote on Jan 21st, 2017 at 6:20pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 21st, 2017 at 6:16pm:
BigOl64 wrote on Jan 21st, 2017 at 6:15pm:
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So everyone after me, that fkkwit walleed made a false statement ...




No, he didn't.

You've made a complete fool of yourself.

His statement is 100% correct.




The courts of Australian made that statement fkkwit not me I just posted what THEY fkken said.



Yes, but you failed to actually read what they said.

"It is not the case, as some people have claimed, that it is only compulsory to attend the polling place and have your name marked off".

And Waleed's statement:

"Voters are not compelled to support a candidate or even to cast a valid ballot. They are obliged to turn up."

You'll notice the absence of the word "only".

Thus, Mr Waleed is 100% correct.

You have made an absolute fool of yourself with this thread.




You have based you entire argument once again on semantics, you point out the word only like set the legal precedence for the entire voting system.


it is NOT the case to ONLY attend and get your name marked off and waleed and the res of you geniuses think that all you have to do.


This would be wrong, that is not all you have to do.

It is compulsory by law for all eligible Australian citizens to enrol and vote in federal elections, by-elections and referendums.

See how the AEC failed to use the word show up.

http://www.aec.gov.au/enrol/


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Reply #82 - Jan 22nd, 2017 at 10:50am
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 22nd, 2017 at 10:44am:
BigOl64 wrote on Jan 22nd, 2017 at 10:35am:
And if any of you actually read the legal precedents you would see that your obligation does in fact extend beyond just showing up.


And nobody is saying it doesn't.

If you read the President's statement, you'll see that he didn't limit the voters' obligations to just showing up.

"Voters are not compelled to support a candidate or even to cast a valid ballot. They are obliged to turn up."

You done goofed, BigHole.





Is english not your first language?


And why the fkk are you here, or are you still a LYING PIECE of SH!T?

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Reply #84 - Jan 22nd, 2017 at 10:51am
 
BigOl64 wrote on Jan 22nd, 2017 at 10:47am:
it is NOT the case to ONLY attend and get your name marked off and waleed and the res of you geniuses think that all you have to do.


Where did Waleed, or anyone else, say that you only have to attend and get your name marked off?

You're seeing things that aren't there, BigHole.

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Reply #85 - Jan 22nd, 2017 at 10:52am
 
BigOl64 wrote on Jan 22nd, 2017 at 10:50am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 22nd, 2017 at 10:44am:
BigOl64 wrote on Jan 22nd, 2017 at 10:35am:
And if any of you actually read the legal precedents you would see that your obligation does in fact extend beyond just showing up.


And nobody is saying it doesn't.

If you read the President's statement, you'll see that he didn't limit the voters' obligations to just showing up.

"Voters are not compelled to support a candidate or even to cast a valid ballot. They are obliged to turn up."

You done goofed, BigHole.





Is english not your first language?



Where did Waleed, or anyone else, say that you only have to attend and get your name marked off?

Show us.
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Reply #86 - Jan 22nd, 2017 at 10:54am
 
longweekend58 wrote on Jan 21st, 2017 at 8:43pm:
BigOl64 wrote on Jan 21st, 2017 at 6:17pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Jan 21st, 2017 at 4:26pm:
Bias_2012 wrote on Jan 21st, 2017 at 3:52pm:
Bias_2012 wrote on Jan 21st, 2017 at 2:15pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Jan 21st, 2017 at 2:06pm:
no they didnt. Even with voluntary voting, Clinton got a big majority of the votes. And if you included all the lazy people who didnt vote, Trump woudlnt have even gotten close.



So do you think the US should have "First Past the Post" voting?




longy, would you prefer the Electoral College be scrapped and just the "popular" vote retained? That's the only way Clinton could have won

If the US changed to First Past the Post voting, would you be happy with that? There's no chance of it happening but there's nothing stopping you from suggesting it as a viable alternative ... but you'd have to convince 50 States, the States take precedence over the Fed, you wouldn't think it these days, but they do indeed. There's no chance of compulsory voting either

So what do you think about the voting system in the US? it stinks in your opinion and needs changing, or is it Ok? How would you ensure candidates who get the most "popular" votes, can win ?





A) the US already has first-past the post voting.
B) when you ask the entire country to vote for just two positions Pres and VP, it doesnt seem to make sense to use a college system

and yes, the US electoral system is an abomination which is so fragmented and so open to abuse that it is a disaster. what did you think of North Carolina which passed a voter ID law specifically designed to disenfranchise blacks and student. They literally researched ID mainly used by these groups and then banned them.  You think that this is even remotely fair? Or how about the recent election where a Democrat won the governors mansion and the REpublican congress literally voted to strip the governor of most of his powers.

THIS is the USA electoral system

This is the system where elections are run by local committees comprised of members of political parties which can and have, literally banned people from auditing the votes.

REmember 2000? the supreme court with a majority of republican appointees voted to HALT A RECOUNT because GWB was in front.


so does it stink?  I can think of some third-world cesspools with a more open and less corrupt system. Did Trump ACTUALLY win? We will never know since recounts have to be paid for by individuals and even then, can be stopped by judges who owe allegiance to politics above democracy.

STINKS AND THEN SOME



So not about compulsory voting then.



I could show you that compulsory voting would have prevented WW2 and you'd still support voluntary. You wank on endlessly about the supposed 'sacrifice' of the military and yet you aren't even selfless enough to VOTE.



Actually you can't show where compulsory voting has done sh1t.

What compulsory voting does do, is line the pockets of the parties and independents with taxpayer's hard earned money. And nothing else.


You know nothing about sacrifice as your stupid comparison between serving this country and standing in a fkken line, you dolt.


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Reply #87 - Jan 22nd, 2017 at 10:57am
 
BigOl64 wrote on Jan 22nd, 2017 at 10:47am:
it is NOT the case to ONLY attend and get your name marked off


Correct.

And nobody said it was.



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Reply #88 - Jan 22nd, 2017 at 11:07am
 
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Waleed's the man...... Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin
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Reply #89 - Jan 22nd, 2017 at 11:10am
 
Brian Ross wrote on Jan 21st, 2017 at 6:53pm:
BigOl64 wrote on Jan 21st, 2017 at 6:15pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jan 21st, 2017 at 5:04pm:
Tell me, Bigol64, does anybody actually make sure that you cast a vote, when you vote?   Roll Eyes


Since I don't vote Id say no.


But you do know that this was the Australian Electoral Commission stating this, not me, don't you?


Oh, yes.  I recognise it from their paraphenalia.

So, you don't vote.  You are quoting from the AEC how it likes the voting to occur, not how it actually happens, nor the instructions which are usually given before the opening of the Polling Booth to the various functionaries by the Polling Booth supervisor.

You are aware what those instructions are, aren't you, Bigol64?

IIRC they are:  "The voters will be made to form a queue.  They will be directed to the first member of staff that is free and they will have their name marked off the roll.  They will be handed their ballot paper and directed to the voting booth.  If they refuse the ballot paper you are to ask them again and if they again refuse it, you are to hand it to the supervisor who will fold and place it in the ballot box.  Once they have marked the paper (assuming of course they have taken it), they are to then fold and place it in the ballot box.   On no account are they allowed to leave the Ballot Station with a ballot paper in their possession.

You will note, no voter is forced to take a ballot paper.  No one is standing over them when they mark the ballot paper (or not).   They are prevented from leaving the Ballot Station with any ballot papers.

The only way they can be fined is if they refuse to have their name marked off the roll.   They are not made to vote.

I have worked on elections, at the Ballot Booth as an AEC official now for the last 20 years, both at State and Federal elections.

I think it's time you voted, Bigol64, to acquaint yourself with the procedures from a voter's viewpoint.   Roll Eyes



I thrive on the fact that the AEC is populated with lazy and stupid people who couldn't find their arse with both hands behind their back.


I don't vote, I am not on the electoral roll and at this stage I have not intention of changing that.  Smiley Smiley


Im pretty sure it is still illegal for anyone to deliberately encourage another to not cast a valid vote. As in what waleed mentioned and currently being supported by others.

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