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Re: the only book that matters
Reply #15 - Jan 24^th, 2017 at 11:27am

AiA wrote on Jan 24^th, 2017 at 3:44am:

\ˈfək\ that. it is scum like these that the death penalty is for

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Father and son accused of rape want ‘only law book that truly matters’ at their trial: The Bible

Sorry AiA, but you hit very wide of your 'mark'.

These two miscreants claiming they have a defence in scripture, for their behaviour, is a false claim.

Leviticus 18:1
And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
2 Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, I am the LORD your God.
3 After the doings of the land of Egypt, wherein ye dwelt, shall ye not do: and after the doings of the land of Canaan, whither I bring you, shall ye not do: neither shall ye walk in their ordinances.

Amos 2:6
Thus saith the LORD; For three transgressions of Israel, and for four, I will not turn away the punishment thereof; because they sold the righteous for silver, and the poor for a pair of shoes;
7 That pant after the dust of the earth on the head of the poor, and turn aside the way of the meek: and a man and his father will go in unto the same maid, to profane my holy name:

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Re: the only book that matters
Reply #16 - Jan 24^th, 2017 at 11:33am

Its time wrote on Jan 24^th, 2017 at 10:57am:

Couple of whities going on a rampage , when will it stop

I don't know.

Men invariably, choose their own path in this life.

All men.

Some men choose to discriminate, between what is good, and what is evil.

Other men, refuse to do so......

THE RELIGION OF PEACE

http://thereligionofpeace.com/

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Lord Herbert Gold Member Offline Posts: 34441 Gender:	Re: the only book that matters Reply #17 - Jan 24^th, 2017 at 11:41am The Heartless Felon wrote on Jan 24^th, 2017 at 9:14am: You brought Islam into it in post #4... She should be ashamed of herself.
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Re: the only book that matters
Reply #18 - Jan 24^th, 2017 at 11:46am

Gnads wrote on Jan 24^th, 2017 at 10:18am:

As if you didn't want it to be Roll Eyes

As if the whole OP of the post wasn't to counter those posts made against Islam & it's followers.

There are a shyte more fundamentalists in one religion(Islam) than in all Christian religions combined.

Fundamentalism starts with your daughter and wife wearing a hijab in a Western country despite them being fully aware of the fact that Westerners do not approve of ostentatious displays of religiosity by the laity.

They wear it as an 'up-yours' finger to the Non-Believers.

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Raven Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2981 Around	Re: the only book that matters Reply #19 - Jan 24^th, 2017 at 4:49pm They'll be right at home in prison. The overwhelming majority of prisoners are religious.
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Re: the only book that matters
Reply #20 - Jan 24^th, 2017 at 4:54pm

Yadda wrote on Jan 24^th, 2017 at 11:27am:

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AiA wrote on Jan 24^th, 2017 at 3:44am:

\ˈfək\ that. it is scum like these that the death penalty is for

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Father and son accused of rape want ‘only law book that truly matters’ at their trial: The Bible

Sorry AiA, but you hit very wide of your 'mark'.

These two miscreants claiming they have a defence in scripture, for their behaviour, is a false claim.

Leviticus 18:1
And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
2 Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, I am the LORD your God.
3 After the doings of the land of Egypt, wherein ye dwelt, shall ye not do: and after the doings of the land of Canaan, whither I bring you, shall ye not do: neither shall ye walk in their ordinances.

Amos 2:6
Thus saith the LORD; For three transgressions of Israel, and for four, I will not turn away the punishment thereof; because they sold the righteous for silver, and the poor for a pair of shoes;
7 That pant after the dust of the earth on the head of the poor, and turn aside the way of the meek: and a man and his father will go in unto the same maid, to profane my holy name:

Numbers 31:18
But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.

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Raven would rather ask questions that may never be answered, then accept answers which must never be questioned.

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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 75087 Gender:	Re: the only book that matters Reply #21 - Jan 24^th, 2017 at 4:57pm Father and son accused of rape want ‘only law book that truly matters’ at their trial: The Bible they sound like a couple of fine upstanding trump supporters.
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Re: the only book that matters
Reply #22 - Jan 24^th, 2017 at 11:56pm

Raven wrote on Jan 24^th, 2017 at 4:54pm:

Yadda wrote on Jan 24^th, 2017 at 11:27am:

AiA wrote on Jan 24^th, 2017 at 3:44am:

Father and son accused of rape want ‘only law book that truly matters’ at their trial: The Bible

Sorry AiA, but you hit very wide of your 'mark'.

These two miscreants claiming they have a defence in scripture, for their behaviour, is a false claim.

Numbers 31:18
But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.

To marry, .....or to keep as a captive female servant.

Not, a sex slave.

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falah wrote on Oct 13^th, 2011 at 10:20am:

Yadda why do you fail to address the rape and sex-slavery sanctioned in the Bible?

falah,

As per usual, you believe that the Bible condones, what ISLAM itself 'legitimises'.

Wrong.

e.g.
Compare what is 'lawful' regards captive women within ISLAM, with what was lawful within Moses law, regards captive women....

Deuteronomy 21:10
When thou goest forth to war against thine enemies, and the LORD thy God hath delivered them into thine hands, and thou hast taken them captive,
11 And seest among the captives a beautiful woman, and hast a desire unto her, that thou wouldest have her to thy wife;
12 Then thou shalt bring her home to thine house; and she shall shave her head, and pare her nails;
13 And she shall put the raiment of her captivity from off her, and shall remain in thine house, and bewail her father and her mother a full month: and after that thou shalt go in unto her, and be her husband, and she shall be thy wife.
14 And it shall be, if thou have no delight in her, then thou shalt let her go whither she will; but thou shalt not sell her at all for money, thou shalt not make merchandise of her, because thou hast humbled her.

"....then thou shalt let her go whither she will;....thou shalt not make merchandise of her,"

n.b.
The Hebrew man, if he no longer has a desire for his beautiful wife [a captive of war],
....he must release her.

Give her her freedom.

Because in Biblical times, the concept of a free woman was not unusual.

There is no parallel to this provision, within ISLAMIC law.

Why not ???

Because, within a devout moslem community the concept of a 'free' woman is absurd.

Within a devout moslem community a woman, all women, are the property of some man, ALWAYS.

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Re: the only book that matters
Reply #23 - Jan 25^th, 2017 at 12:49am

Deuteronomy 22:28-29
If a man find a damsel that is a virgin, which is not betrothed, and lay hold on her, and lie with her, and they be found; 29 Then the man that lay with her shall give unto the damsel's father fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife; because he hath humbled her, he may not put her away all his days.

Genesis 19:8
Behold now, I have two daughters which have not known man; let me, I pray you, bring them out unto you, and do ye to them as is good in your eyes: only unto these men do nothing; for therefore came they under the shadow of my roof.

Judges 5:30
“Have they not sped? have they not divided the prey; to every man a damsel or two; to Sisera a prey of divers colours, a prey of divers colours of needlework, of divers colours of needlework on both sides, meet for the necks of them that take the spoil?

Does Raven need to go on?

Rapes is perfectly acceptable in the bible.

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Re: the only book that matters
Reply #24 - Jan 25^th, 2017 at 11:29am

Raven wrote on Jan 25^th, 2017 at 12:49am:

Deuteronomy 22:28-29
If a man find a damsel that is a virgin, which is not betrothed, and lay hold on her, and lie with her, and they be found; 29 Then the man that lay with her shall give unto the damsel's father fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife; because he hath humbled her, he may not put her away all his days.

Genesis 19:8
Behold now, I have two daughters which have not known man; let me, I pray you, bring them out unto you, and do ye to them as is good in your eyes: only unto these men do nothing; for therefore came they under the shadow of my roof.

Judges 5:30
“Have they not sped? have they not divided the prey; to every man a damsel or two; to Sisera a prey of divers colours, a prey of divers colours of needlework, of divers colours of needlework on both sides, meet for the necks of them that take the spoil?

Does Raven need to go on?

Rapes is perfectly acceptable in the bible.

OK, i'll play.

#1,

Deuteronomy 22:28-29
If a man find a damsel that is a virgin, which is not betrothed, and lay hold on her, and lie with her, and they be found; 29 Then the man that lay with her shall give unto the damsel's father fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife; because he hath humbled her, he may not put her away all his days.

"...find a damsel that is a virgin,....and they be found;"

In that society, it was very important socially that a woman remain a virgin until her marriage.

i.e.
If a young woman had a reputation as a fornicator, no decent man would want her as a wife.

Deuteronomy 22:28-29, is stating that if a man 'took' hold of a woman [i.e. if he forced her], and she was a woman who was still a virgin, and he was found 'with her', then the law of Moses compelled the man to marry her.

Why so ?

Because the man had destroyed the reputation of that woman, in her society, because he had removed her virginity.

n.b. In such a case, the virgin or her father could still reject the union, but, if the womans family did not object to marriage, then the man would be compelled, by law, to marry her.

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#2,

Genesis 19:4
But before they lay down, the men of the city, even the men of Sodom, compassed the house round, both old and young, all the people from every quarter:
5 And they called unto Lot, and said unto him, Where are the men which came in to thee this night? bring them out unto us, that we may know them.
6 And Lot went out at the door unto them, and shut the door after him,
7 And said, I pray you, brethren, do not so wickedly.
8 Behold now, I have two daughters which have not known man; let me, I pray you, bring them out unto you, and do ye to them as is good in your eyes: only unto these men do nothing; for therefore came they under the shadow of my roof.

Lot, had been confronted by violent homosexuals [of his city] who wanted to defile, and rape Lot's guests.

Lot chose, to offer his two daughters, to the violent homosexuals [of his city] [so as to try to save his guests, from the mob of violent homosexuals].

That was a decision made by Lot, a man of his time.

Lot's decision to do that was not a part of God's law [given to Moses].

Lot's decision to do that, had no sanction in holy law.

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#3,

Judges 5:30
“Have they not sped? have they not divided the prey; to every man a damsel or two; to Sisera a prey of divers colours, a prey of divers colours of needlework, of divers colours of needlework on both sides, meet for the necks of them that take the spoil?

LOL

Raven, in presenting that example, you are showing everyone who reads this, just what an ignorant person you are!

Raven you really are a prize goose aren't you! Grin

Sisera was an enemy of the Israelite's, and he was the captain of an enemy army.

In Judges 5:30 the mother of Sisera, is complaining, "Where is my son, and where is the spoil of battle that he took."

Judges 4:1
And the children of Israel again did evil in the sight of the LORD, when Ehud was dead.
2 And the LORD sold them into the hand of Jabin king of Canaan, that reigned in Hazor; the captain of whose host was Sisera, which dwelt in Harosheth of the Gentiles.

Judges 5:28
The mother of Sisera looked out at a window, and cried through the lattice, Why is his chariot so long in coming? why tarry the wheels of his chariots?
29 Her wise ladies answered her, yea, she returned answer to herself,
30 Have they not sped? have they not divided the prey; to every man a damsel or two; to Sisera a prey of divers colours, a prey of divers colours of needlework, of divers colours of needlework on both sides, meet for the necks of them that take the spoil?

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Raven said....

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Rapes is perfectly acceptable in the bible.

Raven,

If that is so, then show me where, .......oh expert on the bible.

Show me some real examples.

Show me where rape is sanctioned by God, or by God's law.

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Re: the only book that matters
Reply #25 - Jan 25^th, 2017 at 12:46pm

Yadda wrote on Jan 25^th, 2017 at 11:29am:

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Raven said....

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Rapes is perfectly acceptable in the bible.

Raven,

If that is so, then show me where, .......oh expert on the bible.

Show me some real examples.

“Every one that is found shall be thrust through; and every one that is joined unto them shall fall by the sword.

"Their children also shall be dashed to pieces before their eyes; their houses shall be spoiled, and their wives ravished.”

(Isaiah 13:15-16)

ravish == To force (another) to have sexual intercourse; rape. <------------ dictionary definition

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Re: the only book that matters
Reply #26 - Jan 25^th, 2017 at 1:30pm

Isaiah 13:15-16......

A punishment is coming upon Babylon....

Isaiah 13:1
The burden of Babylon, which Isaiah the son of Amoz did see.

A punishment is coming upon Babylon, at the hand of their enemies the Medes....

the Medes = = another godless people, like the Babylonians.

Isaiah 13:15
Every one that is found shall be thrust through; and every one that is joined unto them shall fall by the sword.
16 Their children also shall be dashed to pieces before their eyes; their houses shall be spoiled, and their wives ravished.
17 Behold, I will stir up the Medes against them, which shall not regard silver; and as for gold, they shall not delight in it.
18 Their bows also shall dash the young men to pieces; and they shall have no pity on the fruit of the womb; their eye shall not spare children.
19 And Babylon, the glory of kingdoms, the beauty of the Chaldees' excellency, shall be as when God overthrew Sodom and Gomorrah.

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Raven said....

Quote:

Rapes is perfectly acceptable in the bible.

Raven,

If that is so, then show me where, .......oh expert on the bible.

Show me some real examples.

Show me where rape is sanctioned by God, or by God's law.

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Re: the only book that matters
Reply #27 - Jan 25^th, 2017 at 1:36pm

Yadda wrote on Jan 25^th, 2017 at 1:30pm:

Raven said....

Quote:

Rapes is perfectly acceptable in the bible.

Raven,

If that is so, then show me where, .......oh expert on the bible.

Show me some real examples.

“Every one that is found shall be thrust through; and every one that is joined unto them shall fall by the sword.

"Their children also shall be dashed to pieces before their eyes; their houses shall be spoiled, and their wives ravished.”

(Isaiah 13:15-16)

ravish == To force (another) to have sexual intercourse; rape. <------------ dictionary definition

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BigOl64 Gold Member Offline Posts: 14438 Townsville QLD Gender:	Re: the only book that matters Reply #28 - Jan 25^th, 2017 at 1:58pm Time to have a referendum on sect 116 of the constitution and have it deleted. Then we can start sorting out these religious idiots and impose some serious legislation on their activities.
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Re: the only book that matters
Reply #29 - Jan 25^th, 2017 at 2:12pm

Seems to me that The Bible is a book of expedient convenience. There is some nasty stuff in the Old Testament but the New Testament gives that a "get out of jail free" card. The "word of God" versus the "word of Jesus," even though they are supposed to be one and the same and a Holy Spirit as well. That's real versatility, I tells ya!

Humbug.

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