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Re: Baby Bombs
Reply #15 - Jan 27^th, 2017 at 10:16pm

issuevoter wrote on Jan 27^th, 2017 at 6:49am:

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 26^th, 2017 at 6:16pm:

issuevoter wrote on Jan 26^th, 2017 at 5:18pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 26^th, 2017 at 1:36pm:

issuevoter wrote on Jan 26^th, 2017 at 9:17am:

We have been watching this stuff from Islam for over twenty years now. One thing that even Islamophiles cannot deny is that it is getting worse. And every time there is another atrocity, our governments say "Be strong, don't let them intimidate you . . ." from behind their security guards and armour plate glass.

And your evidence for it, "getting worse" is, what exactly, Issuevoter?

I'm often interested in people making pronouncements like you without citing and evidential support for them. "Everybody knows," doesn't cut it, you realise?

As far as I can tell from the evidence that I have seen - not the bullshit on the Islamophobic websites, Islamist extremism is on a mild increase. Generally, political violence though, be it Islamist or otherwise, is on the decrease. The number and the types of wars around the world have been decreasing since the 2000s, according to the UN. Insurrections are decreasing as well. It is only in, surprise, surprise, Muslim nations that we have seen a reverse of that general trend. As it is, more Muslims are killed by Islamists, than Westerners, despite what the Islamophobes claim and the tabloid press trumpets. Roll Eyes

You obviously didn't notice, or care, what happened in France, Belgium, and Germany recently.

How could I not notice, Issuevoter? They were typical cases of a small number of Islamists leading the media and it appears you, 'round by the nose and made you panic. Do you really consider what happened there as being the typical behaviour of most Muslims? No, don't bother to answer, I can guess your views on the issue... Roll Eyes

Oh, great. Everything is OK then, and Baby Bombs don't count. But here's one I did not see in the media at the time. Muz stabs his wife to death in Potts Point Sydney, because she became a Christian. 29/09/2016

Again, atypical behaviour. Baby Bombs do matter but they are atypical behaviour. What they indicate is that Boko Haram is becoming more and more desperate to strike at the Government forces which are proving successful in their campaign against them. Muslims love their children (for the most part), just as do other humans, Issuevoter. It's time you forgot your Islamophobia and looked upon Muslims as people. Roll Eyes

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Reply #16 - Jan 28^th, 2017 at 7:44am

You exhibit the worst trait to appear in Western thought, since the accommodation of the Axis fascists in the 1930s. You have come to accept Islamic atrocities as an inevitable part of life. That attitude is now starting to appear in the tone of Western journalism, along with the suggestion the reporting of the ethnicity and religion of perpetrators should be gagged in the media.

Conversion to Islam by Westerners, is the cowardice of acquiescence, but your attitude is more insidious, as you use a pretense of multicultural tolerance to cover up nothing but vain hope. Bosnia and Kosovo were created by this combination of acquiescence and prevarication. You are contributing to the Bosnification of the West.

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Reply #17 - Jan 28^th, 2017 at 9:19am

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 27^th, 2017 at 10:16pm:

issuevoter wrote on Jan 27^th, 2017 at 6:49am:

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 26^th, 2017 at 6:16pm:

issuevoter wrote on Jan 26^th, 2017 at 5:18pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 26^th, 2017 at 1:36pm:

issuevoter wrote on Jan 26^th, 2017 at 9:17am:

We have been watching this stuff from Islam for over twenty years now. One thing that even Islamophiles cannot deny is that it is getting worse. And every time there is another atrocity, our governments say "Be strong, don't let them intimidate you . . ." from behind their security guards and armour plate glass.

And your evidence for it, "getting worse" is, what exactly, Issuevoter?

I'm often interested in people making pronouncements like you without citing and evidential support for them. "Everybody knows," doesn't cut it, you realise?

As far as I can tell from the evidence that I have seen - not the bullshit on the Islamophobic websites, Islamist extremism is on a mild increase. Generally, political violence though, be it Islamist or otherwise, is on the decrease. The number and the types of wars around the world have been decreasing since the 2000s, according to the UN. Insurrections are decreasing as well. It is only in, surprise, surprise, Muslim nations that we have seen a reverse of that general trend. As it is, more Muslims are killed by Islamists, than Westerners, despite what the Islamophobes claim and the tabloid press trumpets. Roll Eyes

You obviously didn't notice, or care, what happened in France, Belgium, and Germany recently.

How could I not notice, Issuevoter? They were typical cases of a small number of Islamists leading the media and it appears you, 'round by the nose and made you panic. Do you really consider what happened there as being the typical behaviour of most Muslims? No, don't bother to answer, I can guess your views on the issue... Roll Eyes

Oh, great. Everything is OK then, and Baby Bombs don't count. But here's one I did not see in the media at the time. Muz stabs his wife to death in Potts Point Sydney, because she became a Christian. 29/09/2016

Again, atypical behaviour. Baby Bombs do matter but they are atypical behaviour. What they indicate is that Boko Haram is becoming more and more desperate to strike at the Government forces which are proving successful in their campaign against them. Muslims love their children (for the most part), just as do other humans, Issuevoter. It's time you forgot your Islamophobia and looked upon Muslims as people. Roll Eyes

What you fail to recognise in just about every single post about Islam, is that ideologies DO matter.

You'd have no problem taking the far right ideology to task but you have a blind spot for Islamic ideology which incubates extremism.

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Reply #18 - Jan 28^th, 2017 at 10:37am

Gordon wrote on Jan 28^th, 2017 at 9:19am:

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 27^th, 2017 at 10:16pm:

issuevoter wrote on Jan 27^th, 2017 at 6:49am:

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 26^th, 2017 at 6:16pm:

issuevoter wrote on Jan 26^th, 2017 at 5:18pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 26^th, 2017 at 1:36pm:

issuevoter wrote on Jan 26^th, 2017 at 9:17am:

We have been watching this stuff from Islam for over twenty years now. One thing that even Islamophiles cannot deny is that it is getting worse. And every time there is another atrocity, our governments say "Be strong, don't let them intimidate you . . ." from behind their security guards and armour plate glass.

And your evidence for it, "getting worse" is, what exactly, Issuevoter?

I'm often interested in people making pronouncements like you without citing and evidential support for them. "Everybody knows," doesn't cut it, you realise?

As far as I can tell from the evidence that I have seen - not the bullshit on the Islamophobic websites, Islamist extremism is on a mild increase. Generally, political violence though, be it Islamist or otherwise, is on the decrease. The number and the types of wars around the world have been decreasing since the 2000s, according to the UN. Insurrections are decreasing as well. It is only in, surprise, surprise, Muslim nations that we have seen a reverse of that general trend. As it is, more Muslims are killed by Islamists, than Westerners, despite what the Islamophobes claim and the tabloid press trumpets. Roll Eyes

You obviously didn't notice, or care, what happened in France, Belgium, and Germany recently.

How could I not notice, Issuevoter? They were typical cases of a small number of Islamists leading the media and it appears you, 'round by the nose and made you panic. Do you really consider what happened there as being the typical behaviour of most Muslims? No, don't bother to answer, I can guess your views on the issue... Roll Eyes

Oh, great. Everything is OK then, and Baby Bombs don't count. But here's one I did not see in the media at the time. Muz stabs his wife to death in Potts Point Sydney, because she became a Christian. 29/09/2016

Again, atypical behaviour. Baby Bombs do matter but they are atypical behaviour. What they indicate is that Boko Haram is becoming more and more desperate to strike at the Government forces which are proving successful in their campaign against them. Muslims love their children (for the most part), just as do other humans, Issuevoter. It's time you forgot your Islamophobia and looked upon Muslims as people. Roll Eyes

What you fail to recognise in just about every single post about Islam, is that ideologies DO matter.

You'd have no problem taking the far right ideology to task but you have a blind spot for Islamic ideology which incubates extremism.

I think you've hit upon the biggest problem with forums such as these Gordon. Each of us position ourselves on a particular side and hammer that side till kingdom come. Lets be honest and admit that we are not really interested in constructive dialogue here, but to score points for whichever side we associate with. And that reinforces a particular identity we want to associate with, and gives us a fairly perverse boost in self esteem. Just like Brian instinctively doesn't lash out at Islamism, you and FD never say a word against Islamophobia or right wing extremism in gemeral. Its not that you or Brian don't oppose these forms of extremism, you just don't see it as your "role" to fight against them on a platform such as this forum.

If only Henry Tajfel was still alive - he would see no better working demonstration of his Social Identity Theory than on this very forum.

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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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issuevoter Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 9200 The Great State of Mind Gender:	Re: Baby Bombs Reply #19 - Jan 28^th, 2017 at 11:21am I am not talking about ideology, I am talking about murder and its religious justification, which apologists like Gandalf and Ross are continually trying to ignore or diminish.
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Reply #20 - Jan 28^th, 2017 at 2:13pm

issuevoter wrote on Jan 28^th, 2017 at 11:21am:

I am not talking about ideology, I am talking about murder and its religious justification, which apologists like Gandalf and Ross are continually trying to ignore or diminish.

You remain strangely silent when Christians commit murder and then justify it through recourse to their holy scripture, The Bible, Issuevoter. Funny that. I acknowledge that some fruitloops in all religions can find justification for anything in their holy scriptures if they look hard enough. Muslims, Christians, Hindus, Buddhists, you name it, all of them. It is not up to you to blame an entire religious group (Muslims) for the acts of a minority who are considered lunatic by the majority. Roll Eyes

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Reply #21 - Jan 28^th, 2017 at 3:52pm

Ah straight back into the lies in the new age of truth.

Christians who commit atrocities are directly disobeying the teachings of Christ.

muslims who commit atrocities are the highest grade of muslim and are devoutly following the teachings of muhammad and the immutable never to be changed word of allah.

Funny how the leftards and muslims always forget to mention this fact.

Oh well looks like the new age of truth is over before it got off the ground.

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Reply #22 - Jan 28^th, 2017 at 4:12pm

moses wrote on Jan 28^th, 2017 at 3:52pm:

Ah straight back into the lies in the new age of truth.

Christians who commit atrocities are directly disobeying the teachings of Christ.

Christians who commit atrocities don't believe they are disobeying the teachings of Christ any more than Muslims who commit atrocities believe they are disobeying the teachings of Mohammed.

They are both misguided according to the majority viewpoint in their religion which interprets the messages of their prophets differently to them. When you, as a Christian acknowledge their sins and accept them as being a part of Christianity, you might understand these things a little better, Moses. Roll Eyes

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Reply #23 - Jan 28^th, 2017 at 4:48pm

For your words to have any credence you have to be able to give us some teachings of Christ these people are using.

I know I've asked this of you before and you always run and hide, however I suppose I'll just have to run it again, knowing that you never will be able to give an honest answer to this question.

There are innumerable verses in the qur'an which urge and cause islamic atrocities.

While you are totally unable to come up with one verse from Christ which exhorts and motivates Christian atrocities.

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Reply #24 - Jan 28^th, 2017 at 5:06pm

moses wrote on Jan 28^th, 2017 at 4:48pm:

For your words to have any credence you have to be able to give us some teachings of Christ these people are using.

I know I've asked this of you before and you always run and hide, however I suppose I'll just have to run it again, knowing that you never will be able to give an honest answer to this question.

There are innumerable verses in the qur'an which urge and cause islamic atrocities.

While you are totally unable to come up with one verse from Christ which exhorts and motivates Christian atrocities.

You'd have to ask a Christian Terrorist, Moses as I am unsure exactly which verses they quote while they are murdering their victims. Perhaps you know, as you appear to ignore the teachings of Christ when you're attacking Muslims? Tsk, tsk. Roll Eyes

All I know is they are invariably characterised as being Bible quoting people, like most Christian extremists are. You know the ones who whip their wives and children when they've transgressed The Bible's teachings? Roll Eyes

As much as you disown them, they consider themselves to be god-fearin', Christians and as far as I am concerned, that's good enough for me. Roll Eyes

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moses Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6353	Re: Baby Bombs Reply #25 - Jan 28^th, 2017 at 5:23pm You're unsure exactly which verses quote Christ? That about sums you up doesn't it? You just don't know. Oh well them's the breaks, new age of leftard truth, you just don't know.
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Reply #26 - Jan 28^th, 2017 at 7:27pm

moses wrote on Jan 28^th, 2017 at 5:23pm:

You're unsure exactly which verses quote Christ?

That about sums you up doesn't it?

You just don't know.

Oh well them's the breaks, new age of leftard truth, you just don't know.

So then, explain to us why we should not consider those people, who consider themselves to be Christians and who commit Terrorist acts, Moses?

Can you also explain then, why we should consider you still to be a Christian after the hatred and bigotry you have posted here, counter to the words of Christ... Roll Eyes

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Grendel Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 28080 Gender:	Re: Baby Bombs Reply #27 - Jan 29^th, 2017 at 9:17am So when have Christian flown planes into the Burj Khailfa or the Burj Al Arab Ross? When have they attacked hotels or public transport systems? Have they been kidnapping or impregnating muslim schoolgirls lately lately? Stopping women and killing them for going to school? Or changing their religion? The list goes on and on and on....
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Reply #28 - Jan 29^th, 2017 at 9:47am

Grendel wrote on Jan 29^th, 2017 at 9:17am:

So when have Christian flown planes into the Burj Khailfa or the Burj Al Arab Ross? When have they attacked hotels or public transport systems? Have they been kidnapping or impregnating muslim schoolgirls lately lately? Stopping women and killing them for going to school? Or changing their religion? The list goes on and on and on....

Its not that he doesn't get it, its that he doesn't want to get it.

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Reply #29 - Jan 29^th, 2017 at 1:08pm

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So then, explain to us why we should not consider those people, who consider themselves to be Christians and who commit Terrorist acts, Moses?

Oh I would go on the word of Christ as the best guideline for what constitutes a Christian .

Matthew 15:9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

Mark 7:7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

Matthew 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

Mattthew 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

Matthew 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Very straight forward: doing evil deeds in the name of Christianity count for nothing, workers of iniquity are rejected.

Now to get to your masters the muslims.

Well we all now that hatred, rape, torture and mass murder are the core values of islamic doctrine.

The qur'an is riddled with commands which urge and motivate islamic atrocities, muslims commit depraved deeds every day of their lives, secure in the noesis they are the highest grade of muslim, loved by their god allah.

This overwhelming disparity between the two beliefs has you and yours running scared.

You lie snivel and sneak desperately trying to equalise the two beliefs.

I believe that the present political climate is a sign that people are rejecting your abject dissimulation, the world is turning.

Good luck you and the muslims deserve each other.

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