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Re: Trump has done the deed - Banned Muslims.
Reply #30 - Jan 25^th, 2017 at 1:56pm

Mr Hammer wrote on Jan 25^th, 2017 at 12:52pm:

Banning immigrants from Syria, Iraq, Iran, Libya, Somalia, Sudan and Yemen. YES. I'd throw in Afghanistan and Pakistan if I had my way. Well done Trumpy. Hopefully Australia will follow your example.

Until we do (and there's no guarantee we will) , you'll be getting a lot more of those immigrants in your western suburbs, Homo.

Be careful what you wish for Grin

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Its time Gold Member Offline Boot libs out Posts: 25639 Gender:	Re: Trump has done the deed - Banned Muslims. Reply #31 - Jan 25^th, 2017 at 1:57pm Its time wrote on Jan 25^th, 2017 at 1:50pm: What is he going to do with muslims already in murica ? ?
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Panther Gold Member Offline My Heart beats True for the Red White & Blue... Posts: 11380 Gender:	Re: Trump has done the deed - Banned Muslims. Reply #32 - Jan 25^th, 2017 at 1:58pm Its time wrote on Jan 25^th, 2017 at 1:50pm: What is he going to do with muslims already in murica ? IMHO, they have all been cataloged, & he will probably order that they be re-interviewed & vetted properly.....if found unacceptable, forced to leave post haste.......
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Prime Minister for Canyons Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 26906 Canberra Gender:	Re: Trump has done the deed - Banned Muslims. Reply #33 - Jan 25^th, 2017 at 1:58pm Panther wrote on Jan 25^th, 2017 at 1:51pm: . JFYI, the Supreme can also refuse to hear the arguments, effectively leaving all President Trump's Orders in full force as constitutional until proven by the Court as otherwise. [/i][/font][/size] I'd suggest at the least it may violate the Fifth amendment.
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Re: Trump has done the deed - Banned Muslims.
Reply #34 - Jan 25^th, 2017 at 1:59pm

Panther wrote on Jan 25^th, 2017 at 1:58pm:

Its time wrote on Jan 25^th, 2017 at 1:50pm:

What is he going to do with muslims already in murica ? Undecided

IMHO, they have all been cataloged, & he will probably order that they be re-interviewed.....if found unacceptable, forced to leave post haste.......

Even the citizens?

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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 136594 Gender:	Re: Trump has done the deed - Banned Muslims. Reply #35 - Jan 25^th, 2017 at 2:06pm Its time wrote on Jan 25^th, 2017 at 1:57pm: Its time wrote on Jan 25^th, 2017 at 1:50pm: What is he going to do with muslims already in murica ? http://oi68.tinypic.com/1534g81.jpg ? Not as crazy as it sounds.
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Re: Trump has done the deed - Banned Muslims.
Reply #36 - Jan 25^th, 2017 at 2:06pm

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jan 25^th, 2017 at 1:59pm:

Panther wrote on Jan 25^th, 2017 at 1:58pm:

Its time wrote on Jan 25^th, 2017 at 1:50pm:

What is he going to do with muslims already in murica ? Undecided

IMHO, they have all been cataloged, & he will probably order that they be re-interviewed.....if found unacceptable, forced to leave post haste.......

Even the citizens?

No, IMHO, citizens will have Constitutionally protected rights.....& as Citizens, they will need to be treated much differently.

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Re: Trump has done the deed - Banned Muslims.
Reply #37 - Jan 25^th, 2017 at 2:07pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 25^th, 2017 at 1:56pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jan 25^th, 2017 at 12:52pm:

Banning immigrants from Syria, Iraq, Iran, Libya, Somalia, Sudan and Yemen. YES. I'd throw in Afghanistan and Pakistan if I had my way. Well done Trumpy. Hopefully Australia will follow your example.

Until we do (and there's no guarantee we will) , you'll be getting a lot more of those immigrants in your western suburbs, Homo.

Be careful what you wish for Grin

As long as you don't get them hey??

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Re: Trump has done the deed - Banned Muslims.
Reply #38 - Jan 25^th, 2017 at 2:09pm

Panther wrote on Jan 25^th, 2017 at 2:06pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jan 25^th, 2017 at 1:59pm:

Panther wrote on Jan 25^th, 2017 at 1:58pm:

Its time wrote on Jan 25^th, 2017 at 1:50pm:

What is he going to do with muslims already in murica ? Undecided

IMHO, they have all been cataloged, & he will probably order that they be re-interviewed.....if found unacceptable, forced to leave post haste.......

Even the citizens?

No, IMHO, citizens will have Constitutionally protected rights.....& as Citizens, they will need to be treated differently.

Problem is that in many instances in the Constituition it talks about people, not citizens. So even interviewing non-citizens again, may be unconstitutional.

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Re: Trump has done the deed - Banned Muslims.
Reply #39 - Jan 25^th, 2017 at 2:12pm

Mr Hammer wrote on Jan 25^th, 2017 at 2:07pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 25^th, 2017 at 1:56pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jan 25^th, 2017 at 12:52pm:

Banning immigrants from Syria, Iraq, Iran, Libya, Somalia, Sudan and Yemen. YES. I'd throw in Afghanistan and Pakistan if I had my way. Well done Trumpy. Hopefully Australia will follow your example.

Until we do (and there's no guarantee we will) , you'll be getting a lot more of those immigrants in your western suburbs, Homo.

Be careful what you wish for Grin

As long as you don't get them hey??

Doesn't worry me in the slightest.

However, you know they're going to end up in your neighbourhood.

Trump just screwed you in the arse, and he didn't even have the deceny to use any KY.

The funny thing is, you're actually enjoying it.

This is gonna be good Grin

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Re: Trump has done the deed - Banned Muslims.
Reply #40 - Jan 25^th, 2017 at 2:18pm

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jan 25^th, 2017 at 1:59pm:

Panther wrote on Jan 25^th, 2017 at 1:58pm:

Its time wrote on Jan 25^th, 2017 at 1:50pm:

What is he going to do with muslims already in murica ? Undecided

IMHO, they have all been cataloged, & he will probably order that they be re-interviewed.....if found unacceptable, forced to leave post haste.......

Even the citizens?

Exactly.

If found to be enemies of Western social values and ethos, and living as Middle Eastern colonists who are sympathetic to the West's enemies.

Repatriation.

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Re: Trump has done the deed - Banned Muslims.
Reply #41 - Jan 25^th, 2017 at 2:22pm

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jan 25^th, 2017 at 2:09pm:

Panther wrote on Jan 25^th, 2017 at 2:06pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jan 25^th, 2017 at 1:59pm:

Panther wrote on Jan 25^th, 2017 at 1:58pm:

Its time wrote on Jan 25^th, 2017 at 1:50pm:

What is he going to do with muslims already in murica ? Undecided

IMHO, they have all been cataloged, & he will probably order that they be re-interviewed.....if found unacceptable, forced to leave post haste.......

Even the citizens?

No, IMHO, citizens will have Constitutionally protected rights.....& as Citizens, they will need to be treated differently.

Problem is that in many instances in the Constituition it talks about people, not citizens. So even interviewing non-citizens again, may be unconstitutional.

I believe when the framers of the US Constitution mentioned "We the People" or "The People" they meant American Citizens, no others who just happen to be situated on American soil....they, AFAIK, have no actual Constitutional rights outside of the right to due process.

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due process

Fair treatment through the normal judicial system, especially a citizen's entitlement to notice of a charge and a hearing before an impartial judge.

I don't think the Department of Immigration needs to employ a "Criminal Charge" in order to make a determination of fitness requiring deportation, just to exececute the findings of such determinations.

En masse they are herded in front of a judge.....the determination is read.....the gavel falls, & they are removed to the airport, or a holding facility pending transport to the airport.

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Re: Trump has done the deed - Banned Muslims.
Reply #42 - Jan 25^th, 2017 at 2:31pm

Panther wrote on Jan 25^th, 2017 at 2:22pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jan 25^th, 2017 at 2:09pm:

Panther wrote on Jan 25^th, 2017 at 2:06pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jan 25^th, 2017 at 1:59pm:

Panther wrote on Jan 25^th, 2017 at 1:58pm:

Its time wrote on Jan 25^th, 2017 at 1:50pm:

What is he going to do with muslims already in murica ? Undecided

IMHO, they have all been cataloged, & he will probably order that they be re-interviewed.....if found unacceptable, forced to leave post haste.......

Even the citizens?

No, IMHO, citizens will have Constitutionally protected rights.....& as Citizens, they will need to be treated differently.

Problem is that in many instances in the Constituition it talks about people, not citizens. So even interviewing non-citizens again, may be unconstitutional.

I believe when the framers of the US Constitution mentioned "We the People" or "The People" they meant American Citizens, no others who just happen to be situated on American soil....they, AFAIK, have no actual Constitutional rights outside of the right to due process.

Quote:
due process

Fair treatment through the normal judicial system, especially a citizen's entitlement to notice of a charge and a hearing before an impartial judge.

I don't think the Department of Immigration needs to employ a "Criminal Charge" in order to make a determination of fitness requiring deportation

1. They use citizen vs person in several instances. My understanding is that in the past the SC have applied person as meaning anyone.
2. Even if its not acriminal charge, it could be aruged that removal from the US is a deprivation of liberty, which is explicit stated to be unconstitutional in the 5th amendment.

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No evidence whatsoever it can be attributed to George Orwell or Eric Arthur Blair (in fact the same guy)

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Re: Trump has done the deed - Banned Muslims.
Reply #43 - Jan 25^th, 2017 at 2:33pm

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jan 25^th, 2017 at 2:31pm:

Panther wrote on Jan 25^th, 2017 at 2:22pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jan 25^th, 2017 at 2:09pm:

Panther wrote on Jan 25^th, 2017 at 2:06pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jan 25^th, 2017 at 1:59pm:

Panther wrote on Jan 25^th, 2017 at 1:58pm:

Its time wrote on Jan 25^th, 2017 at 1:50pm:

What is he going to do with muslims already in murica ? Undecided

IMHO, they have all been cataloged, & he will probably order that they be re-interviewed.....if found unacceptable, forced to leave post haste.......

Even the citizens?

No, IMHO, citizens will have Constitutionally protected rights.....& as Citizens, they will need to be treated differently.

Problem is that in many instances in the Constituition it talks about people, not citizens. So even interviewing non-citizens again, may be unconstitutional.

I believe when the framers of the US Constitution mentioned "We the People" or "The People" they meant American Citizens, no others who just happen to be situated on American soil....they, AFAIK, have no actual Constitutional rights outside of the right to due process.

Quote:
due process

Fair treatment through the normal judicial system, especially a citizen's entitlement to notice of a charge and a hearing before an impartial judge.

I don't think the Department of Immigration needs to employ a "Criminal Charge" in order to make a determination of fitness requiring deportation, just to execute the findings of such determinations.

En masse they are herded in front of a judge.....the determination is read.....the gavel falls, & they are removed to the airport, or a holding facility pending transport to the airport.

1. They use citizen vs person in several instances. My understanding is that in the past the SC have applied person as meaning anyone.
2. Even if its not acriminal charge, it could be aruged that removal from the US is a deprivation of liberty, which is explicit stated to be unconstitutional in the 5th amendment.

Well, we will both see for ourselves when the blessed events start to take place.

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Re: Trump has done the deed - Banned Muslims.
Reply #44 - Jan 25^th, 2017 at 2:34pm

Panther wrote on Jan 25^th, 2017 at 2:33pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jan 25^th, 2017 at 2:31pm:

Panther wrote on Jan 25^th, 2017 at 2:22pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jan 25^th, 2017 at 2:09pm:

Panther wrote on Jan 25^th, 2017 at 2:06pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jan 25^th, 2017 at 1:59pm:

Panther wrote on Jan 25^th, 2017 at 1:58pm:

Its time wrote on Jan 25^th, 2017 at 1:50pm:

What is he going to do with muslims already in murica ? Undecided

IMHO, they have all been cataloged, & he will probably order that they be re-interviewed.....if found unacceptable, forced to leave post haste.......

Even the citizens?

No, IMHO, citizens will have Constitutionally protected rights.....& as Citizens, they will need to be treated differently.

Problem is that in many instances in the Constituition it talks about people, not citizens. So even interviewing non-citizens again, may be unconstitutional.

I believe when the framers of the US Constitution mentioned "We the People" or "The People" they meant American Citizens, no others who just happen to be situated on American soil....they, AFAIK, have no actual Constitutional rights outside of the right to due process.

Quote:
due process

Fair treatment through the normal judicial system, especially a citizen's entitlement to notice of a charge and a hearing before an impartial judge.

I don't think the Department of Immigration needs to employ a "Criminal Charge" in order to make a determination of fitness requiring deportation

1. They use citizen vs person in several instances. My understanding is that in the past the SC have applied person as meaning anyone.
2. Even if its not acriminal charge, it could be aruged that removal from the US is a deprivation of liberty, which is explicit stated to be unconstitutional in the 5th amendment.

Well, we will both see for ourselves when the blessed events start to take place.

Not sure about blessed, but events nonetheless.

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In a time of universal deceit — telling the truth is a revolutionary act.

No evidence whatsoever it can be attributed to George Orwell or Eric Arthur Blair (in fact the same guy)

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