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bogarde73 Gold Member Offline Anti-Global & Contra Mundum Posts: 18443 Gender:	Re: Anybody from Fremantle? Reply #15 - Jan 26^th, 2017 at 4:29pm How so?
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Reply #16 - Jan 26^th, 2017 at 5:07pm

you are assuming that people who oppose having AD on Jan 26 also oppose recognising the Crown acquisition of Australia. Well they may do so, but that is not the point of the campaign to change the date of AD. The point is recognising that Jan 26 for Aboriginal people is the day they were invaded and the beginning of their dispossession. Whether or not you agree with this (though its unfathomable how anyone could deny it) - the objection taken by the Aborigines towards this day should be respected, and therefore Jan 26 should be accepted as a day that will always be intrinsically divisive and one that can never trully unite Australians - as the national day should.

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Reply #17 - Jan 26^th, 2017 at 5:41pm

Why is it increasingly the case that the wishes of minorities should be respected and majorities not so?
The majority view is that 26/1 is the founding day of European settlement and that this day should be celebrated.

Once you start pandering to minorities there is no end to it as we see in America. It's the thin edge of the wedge.

Thus I foresee an argument coming up as to the legality of the Crown acquisition back in 1788 and therefore I question if those who want to make thus step are prepared to see their Crown title put in jeopardy. It is a natural progression of insanity that the grant of Crown lands will be seen as not enough and that all land title will be in doubt.

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miketrees Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6490 Gender:	Re: Anybody from Fremantle? Reply #18 - Jan 26^th, 2017 at 7:21pm Gandarf What do you recon, May 27 or the closest Monday or Friday to it?
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Reply #19 - Jan 27^th, 2017 at 12:38am

January 26 is not Australia Day. If anything it should be called First Fleet Day.

January 1 is Australia Day. It is the day we became one nation, however being New Year's Day it's a poor choice for Australia Day.

Raven agrees with miketrees, May 27 is a good day to celebrate Australia Day as that is the date the Federal Government was able to govern all Australians.

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miketrees Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6490 Gender:	Re: Anybody from Fremantle? Reply #20 - Jan 27^th, 2017 at 7:26am If you are trying to get in my pants you are going the right way about it Raven
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Reply #21 - Jan 27^th, 2017 at 3:29pm

bogarde73 wrote on Jan 26^th, 2017 at 5:41pm:

Why is it increasingly the case that the wishes of minorities should be respected and majorities not so?
The majority view is that 26/1 is the founding day of European settlement and that this day should be celebrated.

Once you start pandering to minorities there is no end to it as we see in America. It's the thin edge of the wedge.

Thus I foresee an argument coming up as to the legality of the Crown acquisition back in 1788 and therefore I question if those who want to make thus step are prepared to see their Crown title put in jeopardy. It is a natural progression of insanity that the grant of Crown lands will be seen as not enough and that all land title will be in doubt.

The Aborigines are not just "a minority" - they were the original inhabitants, who were invaded, conquered and dispossessed - and it all started on that day you insist we should celebrate. Recognising that having the national day on this day is both insensitive and divisive is not "pandering to minorities". Its the least we can do. First we destroy an entire civilization, now we insist on rubbing their faces in it. I'm not asking you to feel bad about the invasion, let alone hand back the crown titles or whatever - all I'm saying is that its prudent to recognise the inherently divisive nature of Jan 26, (regardless of where you stand on the issue of settlement), and that it really does upset Aboriginal people, and as such it can never be a day to unite Australia - as the national day should.

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Reply #22 - Jan 28^th, 2017 at 3:47pm

miketrees wrote on Jan 26^th, 2017 at 3:18pm:

Your title derives from the Crown, the same Crown that took possession of Australia on Jan 26.

Was that all Australia or just the colony of NSW,,, if it was just NSW you are on your own.

if all those in favor of changing the date are willing to hand over the title of any land they may own .... as its all written in English and via English Laws...which was sold to them unlawfully....

hand it back to our aboriginal chums..

and ask them to sell it back to you...with aboriginal title...

couldnt be fairer at least it would show us they are really really concerned for the people......and their troubled souls..... Roll Eyes

come on gandy....thats what real bleedinghearts should be required to do...

Grin

actions not words mate.. they mean so much more.

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Reply #23 - Jan 28^th, 2017 at 3:49pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 27^th, 2017 at 3:29pm:

bogarde73 wrote on Jan 26^th, 2017 at 5:41pm:

Why is it increasingly the case that the wishes of minorities should be respected and majorities not so?
The majority view is that 26/1 is the founding day of European settlement and that this day should be celebrated.

Once you start pandering to minorities there is no end to it as we see in America. It's the thin edge of the wedge.

Thus I foresee an argument coming up as to the legality of the Crown acquisition back in 1788 and therefore I question if those who want to make thus step are prepared to see their Crown title put in jeopardy. It is a natural progression of insanity that the grant of Crown lands will be seen as not enough and that all land title will be in doubt.

The Aborigines are not just "a minority" - they were the original inhabitants, who were invaded, conquered and dispossessed - and it all started on that day you insist we should celebrate. Recognising that having the national day on this day is both insensitive and divisive is not "pandering to minorities". Its the least we can do. First we destroy an entire civilization, now we insist on rubbing their faces in it. I'm not asking you to feel bad about the invasion, let alone hand back the crown titles or whatever - all I'm saying is that its prudent to recognise the inherently divisive nature of Jan 26, (regardless of where you stand on the issue of settlement), and that it really does upset Aboriginal people, and as such it can never be a day to unite Australia - as the national day should.

didnt think so..

Grin

do you really think changing the day will shut them up.. a bit like the SORRY DAY...not a chance..

handing them back YOUR land title should do the trick though..

Grin

I dont think our aboriginal chums are much up on words anymore..

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Brian Ross Gold Member Offline Representative of me Posts: 42317	Re: Anybody from Fremantle? Reply #24 - Jan 28^th, 2017 at 5:24pm Land titles derive from the Crown, through the Federal Australian Government, which was established on 1 January 1900. Sydneysiders are welcome to the 26 January. Australia is a large continent, it consists of a great deal more than Sydney or even NSW. Time we recognised that.
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Mistress Nicole Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1278 Gender:	Re: Anybody from Fremantle? Reply #25 - Jan 28^th, 2017 at 5:30pm Why always the push for change from you Brian?
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Black Orchid Gold Member Offline Posts: 5813 Gender:	Re: Anybody from Fremantle? Reply #26 - Jan 28^th, 2017 at 5:32pm Brian Ross wrote on Jan 28^th, 2017 at 5:24pm: Australia is a large continent, it consists of a great deal more than Sydney or even NSW. Time we recognised that. I agree. It's about time all these refugees are dispersed elsewhere other than Sydney.
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Re: Anybody from Fremantle?
Reply #27 - Jan 28^th, 2017 at 5:46pm

Black Orchid wrote on Jan 28^th, 2017 at 5:32pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 28^th, 2017 at 5:24pm:

Australia is a large continent, it consists of a great deal more than Sydney or even NSW. Time we recognised that.

I agree. It's about time all these refugees are dispersed elsewhere other than Sydney.

hear hear rumble rumble...

will be be talking about reconciliation next week??.. Grin

... it usually follows...

like that super chocolate cake recipe that follows right after

the 7 day fast diet to lose 10kilos Roll Eyes

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Reply #28 - Jan 28^th, 2017 at 5:48pm

miketrees wrote on Jan 26^th, 2017 at 12:53pm:

I am a Sandgroper.

Jan 26 means bugger all to me, we had Dutch history years before then.

I think it would cost nothing to offer the Aboriginal people May 27.

It would be a great reconciliation gesture for the rest of Australia to give away such a sacred thing.

I am quite comfortable with the idea.

saying that I know some aboriginal people will not be satisfied, and I understand why a lot of Sydneycentric people would object

Good grief ... Dutch history never got off Houtman's Abrolhos.

The 27th of May is no more significant to when women obtained the right to vote.

The 26th January 1788 marks the date the English laid claim to the continent of Australia whether it was from the NSW Colony or not.

The rest of the country soon came under the same claim.

The referendum giving Aboriginals the right to vote on the 27th of May 1967 was another milestone in the progress of Australia.

Having a touchy feeling emotion about it & wanting to give it up because you're a Sandgroper & think it has nothing to do with you is just fanciful.

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Re: Anybody from Fremantle?
Reply #29 - Jan 28^th, 2017 at 5:52pm

Raven wrote on Jan 27^th, 2017 at 12:38am:

January 26 is not Australia Day. If anything it should be called First Fleet Day.

January 1 is Australia Day. It is the day we became one nation, however being New Year's Day it's a poor choice for Australia Day.

Raven agrees with miketrees, May 27 is a good day to celebrate Australia Day as that is the date the Federal Government was able to govern all Australians.

They were already "governing" all Australians.

Except that some of it's citizens didn't have the right to vote & were considered as wards of the state.

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