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The unappreciated purpose of free and open debate
Jan 28th, 2017 at 11:50am
 

The unappreciated purpose and facility, of free and open public debate, within any society of men.






Unappreciated by some/many today ?


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polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 28th, 2017 at 10:37am:

I think you've hit upon the biggest problem with forums such as these Gordon.

Each of us position ourselves on a particular side and hammer that side till kingdom come.

Lets be honest and admit that we are not really interested in constructive dialogue here....




gandalf,

You are missing something important.

Aside from allowing any poster to present their argument(s) [on any particular subject/topic], an open public forum like this one,           also allows other persons,           visitors to this forum, to 'lurk' and to observe, and to consider all of the arguments which are being presented.   !!!




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Yadda said.....
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FREEDOM OF SPEECH IS SELF REGULATING


Open societies do not fear the opinions of fools.
....they rather, EXPOSE and laugh at folly!

In any free and open society, where debate is free and open, if a 'position' is absurd, if an 'argument' is absurd,
...then the debater is [often] condemned to all, WITH HIS OWN WORDS.


And that result [i.e. the exposure of folly] is THE VERY FUNCTION, of free and open debate.


Free and open debate is meant to be A CONTEST OF IDEAS!
....where every folly is revealed.

And open debate is healthy, to all general freedoms in a society.

Whereas, lies are easily concealed in closed societies,
....*because* these closed societies are places where lies, and falsehood,
....ARE NEVER EXPOSED TO SCRUTINY, OR SPOKEN TRUTH.





IMAGE.....
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"Freedom of expression GO TO HELL!"





gandalf,

As i have tried to demonstrate, in most of my posts, and in the arguments which i try to make here,           i am perfectly happy for the visitors to a forum such as this, to read and peruse our respective posts in this forum, and to judge for themselves, whose arguments have any merit, or veracity [or not].

And isn't that the very function and purpose, of public forums such as this one, to be places, where free and open debate can take place ?



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Re: The unappreciated purpose of free and open debate
Reply #1 - Jan 28th, 2017 at 11:50am
 




this is what i once posted [for space, over about 4 posts] on the ABC Q&A online forum.
go and Google it.
you will not find it, because it was removed by the ABC Q&A online staff!....

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WHAT IS THE CONSEQUENCE OF THIS TYPE OF 'MODERATION' IN A [POLITICAL] FORUM?

One obvious consequence is that ALL DEBATE on a particular issue [on such a forum, within that forum] can be 'guided'.

The debate is 'guided', to the point where only 'acceptable' views, will influence THE DIRECTION OF THE DEBATE.

In other words, what is ostensibly [to an outside observer] an open, online forum, for politial debate, becomes a *pseudo* forum for politial debate.



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THE WHOLE POINT OF FREE AND OPEN DEBATE

What the ABC forum MODERATORS are effectively saying is,

"Your point of view is [pick one] untrue/offensive/too contentious. And i won't allow such views to be expressed here."

My argument to the MODERATORS is,
ABC forum MODERATORS may disagree with my opinions, and even say that my opinions are untrue or 'offensive' to some.

But if they feel that, then shouldn't they, or somebody else, be prepared to make that argument, IN THE FORUM, against any points i present?

If i do regard ISLAM as an 'offensive' philosophy, then in a 'free and open' forum, shouldn't i be permitted to express that point of view, and to demonstrate, why i hold that particular view about ISLAM?

And if the detractors [of certain comments i have made] have a legitimate complaint, then let them air it [IN THE FORUM], and have their complaint tested in debate!
.....FOR ALL TO SEE.


Shouldn't the ABC forum MODERATORS allow those people who frequent the ABC forum pages, to decide for themselves if my [or anyone elses] arguments have any merit [or not]?

If what i say is untrue, or ridiculous, that fact, will soon become apparent to everyone, when what i say, is exposed to the light of [widespread] scrutiny.



Open societies do not fear the opinions of fools.
....they rather, EXPOSE and laugh at folly!

In any free and open debate, if a 'position' is absurd, if an 'argument' is absurd,
...then the debater is [often] condemned to all, WITH HIS OWN WORDS.

And isn't the exposure of folly, and error, THE VERY FUNCTION, of free and open debate?

Free and open debate *is meant* to be a contest of ideas!
....where every folly is revealed.

And i would contend, that open debate is healthy, to all general freedoms in a society.

Whereas, lies are easily concealed in closed societies,
....*because* these closed societies are places where lies, and falsehood,
....ARE NEVER EXPOSED TO SCRUTINY, OR SPOKEN TRUTH.

I would also ask, isn't a very *legitimate* purpose of open debate, to reveal 'error', or to reveal positions held, which are unjust [towards third party's]???

I would contend here, that in any open society, the instruction of TRUTH [what TRUTH reveals to us], is *never* offensive.

Or it should not be held, to be so!

And i would contend that, in any open society, TRUTH the first defence of JUSTICE [in that society].

For the sake of free, and open debate, FREEDOM OF SPEECH must *mean*, the freedom to 'offend' [others who would 'gag' us].


CONSIDER.....

If 'the powers that be' determined to censor and gag debate in society, on the basis that material [information] which may be revealed, was confronting, or distasteful,
....then why do we as a society, feel the need to investigate and debate, issues like CHILD ABUSE and INCESTUAL RAPE???

And using the same logic, of those who claim they are being shamed, humiliated, or 'insulted', by the revelation of confronting or distasteful information,
.....shouldn't we as a society, then suppress the reporting, and debate, of CHILD ABUSE, and INCESTUAL RAPE within society????




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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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