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Reply #15 - Jan 29th, 2017 at 5:47pm
 
lee wrote on Jan 29th, 2017 at 2:34pm:
NorthOfNorth wrote on Jan 29th, 2017 at 2:28pm:
The (mis)use of executive orders is exactly what you'd expect from Trump...



And the misuse of Executive Orders under Obama? Wink




Keep telling everyone you are not a Trump supporter. its gets funnier everytime you refer to Obama while ignoring Trumps actions.
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Reply #16 - Jan 29th, 2017 at 6:07pm
 
longweekend58 wrote on Jan 29th, 2017 at 5:47pm:
lee wrote on Jan 29th, 2017 at 2:34pm:
NorthOfNorth wrote on Jan 29th, 2017 at 2:28pm:
The (mis)use of executive orders is exactly what you'd expect from Trump...



And the misuse of Executive Orders under Obama? Wink




Keep telling everyone you are not a Trump supporter. its gets funnier everytime you refer to Obama while ignoring Trumps actions.


So you want to ignore Obama's failings and concentrate on Trump? Go right ahead. Wink

You do realise the thread is about Executive Orders, and not the person's doing it?
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Reply #17 - Jan 29th, 2017 at 6:15pm
 
lee wrote on Jan 29th, 2017 at 6:07pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Jan 29th, 2017 at 5:47pm:
lee wrote on Jan 29th, 2017 at 2:34pm:
NorthOfNorth wrote on Jan 29th, 2017 at 2:28pm:
The (mis)use of executive orders is exactly what you'd expect from Trump...



And the misuse of Executive Orders under Obama? Wink




Keep telling everyone you are not a Trump supporter. its gets funnier everytime you refer to Obama while ignoring Trumps actions.


So you want to ignore Obama's failings and concentrate on Trump? Go right ahead. Wink

You do realise the thread is about Executive Orders, and not the person's doing it?


You can pretend that if you want. It is all rather obviously about Trumps recent orders - specifically the muslim ban.
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Reply #18 - Jan 29th, 2017 at 6:18pm
 
longweekend58 wrote on Jan 29th, 2017 at 6:15pm:
You can pretend that if you want. It is all rather obviously about Trumps recent orders - specifically the muslim ban.



Which may or may not come to pass.

So why did Obama bypass Congress? You left that bit out.
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Reply #19 - Jan 29th, 2017 at 6:50pm
 
lee wrote on Jan 29th, 2017 at 6:18pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Jan 29th, 2017 at 6:15pm:
You can pretend that if you want. It is all rather obviously about Trumps recent orders - specifically the muslim ban.



Which may or may not come to pass.

So why did Obama bypass Congress? You left that bit out.


He didnt do anything unconstitutional despite your desperate attempt to defend Trumps actions which have literally refused entry to the USA by people who already have permanent residence!

defend that!
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Reply #20 - Jan 29th, 2017 at 6:53pm
 
longweekend58 wrote on Jan 29th, 2017 at 6:50pm:
He didnt do anything unconstitutional despite your desperate attempt to defend Trumps actions



What actions have I tried to defend?  The closing of the EPA? which isn't.
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Reply #21 - Jan 29th, 2017 at 7:47pm
 
longweekend58 wrote on Jan 29th, 2017 at 5:45pm:
Sprintcyclist wrote on Jan 29th, 2017 at 12:37pm:
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...........United States presidents issue executive orders to help officers and agencies of the executive branch manage the operations within the federal government itself.
Executive orders have the full force of law when they take authority from a legislative power which grants its power directly to the Executive by the Constitution, or are made pursuant to Acts of Congress that explicitly delegate to the President some degree of discretionary power (delegated legislation).[1]

Like both legislative statutes and regulations promulgated by government agencies, executive orders are subject to judicial review, and may be struck down if deemed by the courts to be unsupported by statute or the Constitution. Major policy initiatives require approval by the legislative branch, but executive orders have significant influence over the internal affairs of government, deciding how and to what degree legislation will be enforced, dealing with emergencies, waging wars, and in general fine-tuning policy choices in the implementation of broad statutes............


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_order

I am uncomfortable with Executive Orders.
It's too much power at the stroke of a pen by one person.

I would prefer if most changes go through the congress or the equivalent of our parliament.

Sure, use executive orders at times of urgency.
eg, if being attacked overnight, outbreak of some weird disease.


For situations that have not changed rapidly or do not pose an immediate threat, go through the normal channels.


Starting to feel a bit unnerved by Trumps 'executive' orders?


I dislike the concept of executive orders.
Same as when Obama was giving them out.

I agree with their content, not with the method.
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Reply #22 - Jan 29th, 2017 at 8:34pm
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on Jan 29th, 2017 at 7:47pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Jan 29th, 2017 at 5:45pm:
Sprintcyclist wrote on Jan 29th, 2017 at 12:37pm:
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...........United States presidents issue executive orders to help officers and agencies of the executive branch manage the operations within the federal government itself.
Executive orders have the full force of law when they take authority from a legislative power which grants its power directly to the Executive by the Constitution, or are made pursuant to Acts of Congress that explicitly delegate to the President some degree of discretionary power (delegated legislation).[1]

Like both legislative statutes and regulations promulgated by government agencies, executive orders are subject to judicial review, and may be struck down if deemed by the courts to be unsupported by statute or the Constitution. Major policy initiatives require approval by the legislative branch, but executive orders have significant influence over the internal affairs of government, deciding how and to what degree legislation will be enforced, dealing with emergencies, waging wars, and in general fine-tuning policy choices in the implementation of broad statutes............


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_order

I am uncomfortable with Executive Orders.
It's too much power at the stroke of a pen by one person.

I would prefer if most changes go through the congress or the equivalent of our parliament.

Sure, use executive orders at times of urgency.
eg, if being attacked overnight, outbreak of some weird disease.


For situations that have not changed rapidly or do not pose an immediate threat, go through the normal channels.


Starting to feel a bit unnerved by Trumps 'executive' orders?


I dislike the concept of executive orders.
Same as when Obama was giving them out.

I agree with their content, not with the method.


You want Trump as POTUS then you get the entire deal - not pick and choose.
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Reply #23 - Jan 30th, 2017 at 5:21pm
 
'Policy' on the run.  What an idiot, and he must be surrounded by idiots.

Link.
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Reply #24 - Jan 30th, 2017 at 5:38pm
 
Aussie wrote on Jan 30th, 2017 at 5:21pm:
'Policy' on the run.  What an idiot, and he must be surrounded by idiots.

Link.



and its only the first 10 days. He has blocked american residents with a green card from returning home. Next he will reinstitute visas for all comers thus halving teh number of visitors which the tourism industry will simply LOVE.
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