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Jan 29th, 2017 at 12:37pm
 

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...........United States presidents issue executive orders to help officers and agencies of the executive branch manage the operations within the federal government itself.
Executive orders have the full force of law when they take authority from a legislative power which grants its power directly to the Executive by the Constitution, or are made pursuant to Acts of Congress that explicitly delegate to the President some degree of discretionary power (delegated legislation).[1]

Like both legislative statutes and regulations promulgated by government agencies, executive orders are subject to judicial review, and may be struck down if deemed by the courts to be unsupported by statute or the Constitution. Major policy initiatives require approval by the legislative branch, but executive orders have significant influence over the internal affairs of government, deciding how and to what degree legislation will be enforced, dealing with emergencies, waging wars, and in general fine-tuning policy choices in the implementation of broad statutes............


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_order

I am uncomfortable with Executive Orders.
It's too much power at the stroke of a pen by one person.

I would prefer if most changes go through the congress or the equivalent of our parliament.

Sure, use executive orders at times of urgency.
eg, if being attacked overnight, outbreak of some weird disease.


For situations that have not changed rapidly or do not pose an immediate threat, go through the normal channels.
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Reply #1 - Jan 29th, 2017 at 1:17pm
 
Yeah. Apparently Obama only used 295 Executive Orders. Wink
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Reply #2 - Jan 29th, 2017 at 1:19pm
 
What in the bugger is an "Exexutuve" Order?

Meanwhile...
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Reply #3 - Jan 29th, 2017 at 1:21pm
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on Jan 29th, 2017 at 12:37pm:
I am uncomfortable with Executive Orders



Apparently, so is a Federal judge who just shot one of them down.


Hippie.
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Reply #4 - Jan 29th, 2017 at 1:51pm
 
Marla wrote on Jan 29th, 2017 at 1:21pm:
Sprintcyclist wrote on Jan 29th, 2017 at 12:37pm:
I am uncomfortable with Executive Orders



Apparently, so is a Federal judge who just shot one of them down.


Hippie.



Good to hear that.

I dislike the 'one man bands.'

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Reply #5 - Jan 29th, 2017 at 1:53pm
 
Are you on weed, Sprinty?
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Reply #6 - Jan 29th, 2017 at 1:57pm
 

No.

I don't take any drugs and rarely drink.
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Reply #7 - Jan 29th, 2017 at 2:28pm
 
The (mis)use of executive orders is exactly what you'd expect from Trump...

As a malignant narcissist, the delusion of ruling by decree (like an autocrat) would be irresistible to Trump...

Never mind the legal mess that will follow as Congress and the judiciary work to overturn and invalidate them one by one, Trump will deflect blame for them towards 'the people'...

But, as he didn't win the popular vote, his likely claim that he's enacting the 'will of the people' by executive order will be fatally flawed...

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Reply #8 - Jan 29th, 2017 at 2:34pm
 
NorthOfNorth wrote on Jan 29th, 2017 at 2:28pm:
The (mis)use of executive orders is exactly what you'd expect from Trump...



And the misuse of Executive Orders under Obama? Wink
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Reply #9 - Jan 29th, 2017 at 2:45pm
 
He think it's a coloring book
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Reply #10 - Jan 29th, 2017 at 2:46pm
 
NorthOfNorth wrote on Jan 29th, 2017 at 2:28pm:
......... the legal mess that will follow as Congress and the judiciary work .........




that's one of the reasons I dislike Executive Orders.

At the drop of a hat, with no consultation LOTS of other people have more work to do.

Be it right or wrong, they have more work to do.
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Reply #11 - Jan 29th, 2017 at 2:48pm
 
Marla wrote on Jan 29th, 2017 at 2:45pm:
He think it's a coloring book



Be kind send him pencils.
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Reply #12 - Jan 29th, 2017 at 3:19pm
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on Jan 29th, 2017 at 2:46pm:
NorthOfNorth wrote on Jan 29th, 2017 at 2:28pm:
......... the legal mess that will follow as Congress and the judiciary work .........




that's one of the reasons I dislike Executive Orders.

At the drop of a hat, with no consultation LOTS of other people have more work to do.

Be it right or wrong, they have more work to do.

And you can expect many more of them (not least because the most recent 2 term presidents have issued nearly 300 each)...

But when the motive for their issuance is purely cynically self-aggrandising, they reveal to the American people what their president really thinks of the democratic process.

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Reply #13 - Jan 29th, 2017 at 5:32pm
 
NorthOfNorth wrote on Jan 29th, 2017 at 3:19pm:
But when the motive for their issuance is purely cynically self-aggrandising, they reveal to the American people what their president really thinks of the democratic process



You mean like Obama bypassing Congress?
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Reply #14 - Jan 29th, 2017 at 5:45pm
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on Jan 29th, 2017 at 12:37pm:
Quote:
...........United States presidents issue executive orders to help officers and agencies of the executive branch manage the operations within the federal government itself.
Executive orders have the full force of law when they take authority from a legislative power which grants its power directly to the Executive by the Constitution, or are made pursuant to Acts of Congress that explicitly delegate to the President some degree of discretionary power (delegated legislation).[1]

Like both legislative statutes and regulations promulgated by government agencies, executive orders are subject to judicial review, and may be struck down if deemed by the courts to be unsupported by statute or the Constitution. Major policy initiatives require approval by the legislative branch, but executive orders have significant influence over the internal affairs of government, deciding how and to what degree legislation will be enforced, dealing with emergencies, waging wars, and in general fine-tuning policy choices in the implementation of broad statutes............


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_order

I am uncomfortable with Executive Orders.
It's too much power at the stroke of a pen by one person.

I would prefer if most changes go through the congress or the equivalent of our parliament.

Sure, use executive orders at times of urgency.
eg, if being attacked overnight, outbreak of some weird disease.


For situations that have not changed rapidly or do not pose an immediate threat, go through the normal channels.


Starting to feel a bit unnerved by Trumps 'executive' orders?
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