Australian Politics Forum - Why don't feminists fight for Muslim women?

mothra Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 35578 Gender:	Re: Why don't feminists fight for Muslim women? Reply #15 - Feb 1^st, 2017 at 1:19pm http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/hilary-burrage/fighting-female-genital-mutilatio...
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mothra Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 35578 Gender:	Re: Why don't feminists fight for Muslim women? Reply #16 - Feb 1^st, 2017 at 1:26pm Why is it that threads like these undermine the very powerful work being don by Muslim feminists. It's like they don't even exist.
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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 96434	Re: Why don't feminists fight for Muslim women? Reply #17 - Feb 1^st, 2017 at 4:15pm mothra wrote on Feb 1^st, 2017 at 1:26pm: Why is it that threads like these undermine the very powerful work being don by Muslim feminists. It's like they don't even exist. Come now, Mother. FD has been fighting for Muslim wimins' rights since 2007.
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Gordon Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20737 Gordon Gender:	Re: Why don't feminists fight for Muslim women? Reply #18 - Feb 1^st, 2017 at 4:59pm mothra wrote on Feb 1^st, 2017 at 1:26pm: Why is it that threads like these undermine the very powerful work being don by Muslim feminists. It's like they don't even exist. You mean the drop of water into the ocean.
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kemal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 574 Gender:	Re: Why don't feminists fight for Muslim women? Reply #19 - Feb 1^st, 2017 at 6:38pm "Why don't feminists fight for Muslim women", cause they are all gay and would be killed if they intervened!
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49380 At my desk.	Re: Why don't feminists fight for Muslim women? Reply #20 - Feb 1^st, 2017 at 7:15pm mothra wrote on Feb 1^st, 2017 at 1:26pm: Why is it that threads like these undermine the very powerful work being don by Muslim feminists. It's like they don't even exist. Yes, it is like that.
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Re: Why don't feminists fight for Muslim women?
Reply #21 - Feb 3^rd, 2017 at 10:37am

Hirsi is as always, trying to cleverly disguise her real agenda - in this case by trying to wedge western feminists.

This specific charge against western feminists in regard to women in the muslim world is a strawman - thats the first point. Hirsi herself would surely know that the accusation that feminists "don't care" about women in the muslim world simply doesn't stack up, and is unfair. Thats why she is directing the conversation towards "Quranic and Islamic Law" - by contextualising abuse of women's rights within absolute definitions (instead of acknowledging her definition as merely one interpretation) of "Islamic law" , she is making (or at least attempting to make) standing up for women's rights and condemnation of Islam one in the same.

Her agenda, as always, is the delegitimisation of Islam itself. She is merely using the ruse of women's rights as a cynical tool for this end.

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49380 At my desk.	Re: Why don't feminists fight for Muslim women? Reply #22 - Feb 4^th, 2017 at 8:31am When Muhammed struck his favourite child bride, it was because he loved her and was concerned for her safety if she went outside again without his permission, right Gandalf?
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Re: Why don't feminists fight for Muslim women?
Reply #23 - Feb 4^th, 2017 at 9:19am

freediver wrote on Jan 31^st, 2017 at 10:18pm:

https://www.prageru.com/courses/political-science/why-dont-feminists-fight-muslim-women

Are women oppressed in Muslim countries? What about in Islamic enclaves in the West? Are these places violating or fulfilling the Quran and Islamic law?

The answer is that the Left's long-term political ambitions needs the votes of all the immigrant minorities in order to increase its mandate to rule, and so feminist activism has been put aside for the greater purpose of ingratiating with the minorities for their votes.

The vast majority of Muslim women don't see themselves as 'oppressed' or as being 'second-class citizens', and so they view it as insulting to both themselves, their menfolk, and to Islam itself when Western feminists tell them they are chattels to their husbands, and they are inferior creatures according to the patriarchal edicts of the Koran.

Western feminists were stopped in their tracks when they realised they weren't winning the sympathy and gratitude of the vast majority of Muslim women, and so it became counter-productive to their socialist proselytizing to pursue this line of feminist complaint on their behalf any longer.

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Lord Herbert Gold Member Offline Posts: 34441 Gender:	Re: Why don't feminists fight for Muslim women? Reply #24 - Feb 4^th, 2017 at 9:20am freediver wrote on Feb 1^st, 2017 at 7:15pm: mothra wrote on Feb 1^st, 2017 at 1:26pm: Why is it that threads like these undermine the very powerful work being don by Muslim feminists. It's like they don't even exist. Yes, it is like that.
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