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Re: Will Trump be deemed unfit for office?
Reply #105 - Feb 9^th, 2017 at 6:11pm

Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 9^th, 2017 at 6:07pm:

Q: How many times was a president elected who did not win the popular vote?

A: It has happened five times.

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The 2016 election was the most recent when the candidate who received the greatest number of electoral votes, and thus won the presidency, didn’t win the popular vote. But this scenario has played out in our nation’s history before.

In 1824, John Quincy Adams was elected president despite not winning either the popular vote or the electoral vote. Andrew Jackson was the winner in both categories. Jackson received 38,000 more popular votes than Adams, and beat him in the electoral vote 99 to 84. Despite his victories, Jackson didn’t reach the majority 131 votes needed in the Electoral College to be declared president. In fact, neither candidate did. The decision went to the House of Representatives, which voted Adams into the White House.

In 1876, Rutherford B. Hayes won the election (by a margin of one electoral vote), but he lost the popular vote by more than 250,000 ballots to Samuel J. Tilden.

In 1888, Benjamin Harrison received 233 electoral votes to Grover Cleveland’s 168, winning the presidency. But Harrison lost the popular vote by more than 90,000 votes.

In 2000, George W. Bush was declared the winner of the general election and became the 43rd president, but he didn’t win the popular vote either. Al Gore holds that distinction, garnering about 540,000 more votes than Bush. However, Bush won the electoral vote, 271 to 266.

In 2016, Donald Trump won the electoral vote by 304 to 227 over Hillary Clinton, but Trump lost the popular vote. Clinton received nearly 2.9 million more votes than Trump, according to an analysis by the Associated Press of the certified results in all 50 states and Washington, D.C.

Yuo dont seem to understand. No one is suggesting he didnt win the election, only that he got FAR fewer votes. And this translates into NO MANDATE of any kind.

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Re: Will Trump be deemed unfit for office?
Reply #106 - Feb 9^th, 2017 at 6:13pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 9^th, 2017 at 6:09pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 9^th, 2017 at 6:04pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 9^th, 2017 at 6:02pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 9^th, 2017 at 5:59pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 9^th, 2017 at 5:55pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 9^th, 2017 at 5:52pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 9^th, 2017 at 5:42pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 9^th, 2017 at 4:14pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 9^th, 2017 at 12:50pm:

John Smith wrote on Feb 9^th, 2017 at 12:32pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 9^th, 2017 at 12:14pm:

Yeah, by a tiny whinging minority while the 46 million who voted for him lose out.

and the 49 million who voted against him win ...... also known as DEMOCRACY

Are we still talking about Trump?

If so, approximately 73.6 million people voted against him.

Approx. 62.9 million voted for him.

A gap of more than 10 million.

Clinton - 65,844,610 votes (48.1%)

Trump- 62,979,636 votes (46.0%) Roll Eyes

They weren't the only two candidates, Homo.

73.6 million people voted against Trump.

i.e. 54%

Still feel like rolling your eyes?

You add the minor parties on to Trump but not Hillary ??? So 71 million voted against Hillary.

Correct.

Now, is 73.6 more or less than 71?

Don't be sneaky with the figures and I wouldn't have to pull you up on it.

I wasn't sneaky at all.

Everything I said was true.

No matter how you present the figures, the American voting public did NOT get the President they wanted.

It's happened before in the US. I don't know you think it's so weird.

I've never said it's weird.

I'm just telling you the facts: they didn't get the President they wanted.

What's your opinion on Pauline Hanson getting all those votes that election but no seats because of deals?

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Re: Will Trump be deemed unfit for office?
Reply #107 - Feb 9^th, 2017 at 6:14pm

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 9^th, 2017 at 6:11pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 9^th, 2017 at 6:07pm:

Q: How many times was a president elected who did not win the popular vote?

A: It has happened five times.

FULL ANSWER

The 2016 election was the most recent when the candidate who received the greatest number of electoral votes, and thus won the presidency, didn’t win the popular vote. But this scenario has played out in our nation’s history before.

In 1824, John Quincy Adams was elected president despite not winning either the popular vote or the electoral vote. Andrew Jackson was the winner in both categories. Jackson received 38,000 more popular votes than Adams, and beat him in the electoral vote 99 to 84. Despite his victories, Jackson didn’t reach the majority 131 votes needed in the Electoral College to be declared president. In fact, neither candidate did. The decision went to the House of Representatives, which voted Adams into the White House.

In 1876, Rutherford B. Hayes won the election (by a margin of one electoral vote), but he lost the popular vote by more than 250,000 ballots to Samuel J. Tilden.

In 1888, Benjamin Harrison received 233 electoral votes to Grover Cleveland’s 168, winning the presidency. But Harrison lost the popular vote by more than 90,000 votes.

In 2000, George W. Bush was declared the winner of the general election and became the 43rd president, but he didn’t win the popular vote either. Al Gore holds that distinction, garnering about 540,000 more votes than Bush. However, Bush won the electoral vote, 271 to 266.

In 2016, Donald Trump won the electoral vote by 304 to 227 over Hillary Clinton, but Trump lost the popular vote. Clinton received nearly 2.9 million more votes than Trump, according to an analysis by the Associated Press of the certified results in all 50 states and Washington, D.C.

Yuo dont seem to understand. No one is suggesting he didnt win the election, only that he got FAR fewer votes. And this translates into NO MANDATE of any kind.

I sorry to burst your bubble that you'll just have to come to terms with Trump being president. There's no use whining and whinging over something you can't fix.

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Re: Will Trump be deemed unfit for office?
Reply #108 - Feb 9^th, 2017 at 6:15pm

Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 9^th, 2017 at 6:13pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 9^th, 2017 at 6:09pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 9^th, 2017 at 6:04pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 9^th, 2017 at 6:02pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 9^th, 2017 at 5:59pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 9^th, 2017 at 5:55pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 9^th, 2017 at 5:52pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 9^th, 2017 at 5:42pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 9^th, 2017 at 4:14pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 9^th, 2017 at 12:50pm:

John Smith wrote on Feb 9^th, 2017 at 12:32pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 9^th, 2017 at 12:14pm:

Yeah, by a tiny whinging minority while the 46 million who voted for him lose out.

and the 49 million who voted against him win ...... also known as DEMOCRACY

Are we still talking about Trump?

If so, approximately 73.6 million people voted against him.

Approx. 62.9 million voted for him.

A gap of more than 10 million.

Clinton - 65,844,610 votes (48.1%)

Trump- 62,979,636 votes (46.0%) Roll Eyes

They weren't the only two candidates, Homo.

73.6 million people voted against Trump.

i.e. 54%

Still feel like rolling your eyes?

You add the minor parties on to Trump but not Hillary ??? So 71 million voted against Hillary.

Correct.

Now, is 73.6 more or less than 71?

Don't be sneaky with the figures and I wouldn't have to pull you up on it.

I wasn't sneaky at all.

Everything I said was true.

No matter how you present the figures, the American voting public did NOT get the President they wanted.

It's happened before in the US. I don't know you think it's so weird.

I've never said it's weird.

I'm just telling you the facts: they didn't get the President they wanted.

What's your opinion on Pauline Hanson getting all those votes that election but no seats because of deals?

There are no consoltion prizes. You want seats, you have to get actual first-preference votes. Get over it.

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Re: Will Trump be deemed unfit for office?
Reply #109 - Feb 9^th, 2017 at 6:15pm

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 9^th, 2017 at 6:11pm:

You dont seem to understand. No one is suggesting he didnt win the election, only that he got FAR fewer votes. And this translates into NO MANDATE of any kind.

Correct.

In fact, I was the first to congratulate him on his win.

He won the election, and he's the President. No argument there at all.

He is NOT, however, the President the voting public wanted.

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Re: Will Trump be deemed unfit for office?
Reply #110 - Feb 9^th, 2017 at 6:19pm

Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 9^th, 2017 at 6:14pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 9^th, 2017 at 6:11pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 9^th, 2017 at 6:07pm:

Q: How many times was a president elected who did not win the popular vote?

A: It has happened five times.

FULL ANSWER

The 2016 election was the most recent when the candidate who received the greatest number of electoral votes, and thus won the presidency, didn’t win the popular vote. But this scenario has played out in our nation’s history before.

In 1824, John Quincy Adams was elected president despite not winning either the popular vote or the electoral vote. Andrew Jackson was the winner in both categories. Jackson received 38,000 more popular votes than Adams, and beat him in the electoral vote 99 to 84. Despite his victories, Jackson didn’t reach the majority 131 votes needed in the Electoral College to be declared president. In fact, neither candidate did. The decision went to the House of Representatives, which voted Adams into the White House.

In 1876, Rutherford B. Hayes won the election (by a margin of one electoral vote), but he lost the popular vote by more than 250,000 ballots to Samuel J. Tilden.

In 1888, Benjamin Harrison received 233 electoral votes to Grover Cleveland’s 168, winning the presidency. But Harrison lost the popular vote by more than 90,000 votes.

In 2000, George W. Bush was declared the winner of the general election and became the 43rd president, but he didn’t win the popular vote either. Al Gore holds that distinction, garnering about 540,000 more votes than Bush. However, Bush won the electoral vote, 271 to 266.

In 2016, Donald Trump won the electoral vote by 304 to 227 over Hillary Clinton, but Trump lost the popular vote. Clinton received nearly 2.9 million more votes than Trump, according to an analysis by the Associated Press of the certified results in all 50 states and Washington, D.C.

Yuo dont seem to understand. No one is suggesting he didnt win the election, only that he got FAR fewer votes. And this translates into NO MANDATE of any kind.

I sorry to burst your bubble that you'll just have to come to terms with Trump being president. There's no use whining and whinging over something you can't fix.

Why are you unable to get the point? why can you not accept that trump lost the popular vote by a massive margin? thats all you need to do. Simply accept and actual fact and not resort to conway-esque 'alternative facts'.

It is hardly asking that much. Simple intellectual assent to a undeniable fact.

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Mr Hammer Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 25212 Gender:	Re: Will Trump be deemed unfit for office? Reply #111 - Feb 9^th, 2017 at 6:21pm I suppose you muppets must have been outraged at this then- 1998 federal election- One nation 936,621 votes. no seats. National Party Of Australia 588,088 votes. 16 seats. You do-gooders would've been cumming in your pants when that happened. Selective outrage!!
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Re: Will Trump be deemed unfit for office?
Reply #113 - Feb 9^th, 2017 at 6:26pm

Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 9^th, 2017 at 6:21pm:

I suppose you muppets must have been outraged at this then-

1998 federal election-

One nation 936,621 votes. no seats.

National Party Of Australia 588,088 votes. 16 seats.

You do-gooders would've been cumming in your pants when that happened. Selective outrage!! Roll Eyes

Got em!

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Re: Will Trump be deemed unfit for office?
Reply #114 - Feb 9^th, 2017 at 6:26pm

Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 9^th, 2017 at 6:21pm:

I suppose you muppets must have been outraged at this then-

1998 federal election-

One nation 936,621 votes. no seats.

National Party Of Australia 588,088 votes. 16 seats.

You do-gooders would've been cumming in your pants when that happened. Selective outrage!! Roll Eyes

what is selective is your reporting. the Nats stood in 25 seats for their votes while ON stood in 150.

idiot.

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Re: Will Trump be deemed unfit for office?
Reply #115 - Feb 9^th, 2017 at 6:27pm

... wrote on Feb 9^th, 2017 at 6:26pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 9^th, 2017 at 6:21pm:

I suppose you muppets must have been outraged at this then-

1998 federal election-

One nation 936,621 votes. no seats.

National Party Of Australia 588,088 votes. 16 seats.

You do-gooders would've been cumming in your pants when that happened. Selective outrage!! Roll Eyes

Got em!

cheers.

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Re: Will Trump be deemed unfit for office?
Reply #116 - Feb 9^th, 2017 at 6:27pm

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 9^th, 2017 at 6:26pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 9^th, 2017 at 6:21pm:

I suppose you muppets must have been outraged at this then-

1998 federal election-

One nation 936,621 votes. no seats.

National Party Of Australia 588,088 votes. 16 seats.

You do-gooders would've been cumming in your pants when that happened. Selective outrage!! Roll Eyes

what is selective is your reporting. the Nats stood in 25 seats for their votes while ON stood in 150.

idiot.

miam.

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Re: Will Trump be deemed unfit for office?
Reply #117 - Feb 9^th, 2017 at 6:29pm

Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 9^th, 2017 at 6:27pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 9^th, 2017 at 6:26pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 9^th, 2017 at 6:21pm:

I suppose you muppets must have been outraged at this then-

1998 federal election-

One nation 936,621 votes. no seats.

National Party Of Australia 588,088 votes. 16 seats.

You do-gooders would've been cumming in your pants when that happened. Selective outrage!! Roll Eyes

what is selective is your reporting. the Nats stood in 25 seats for their votes while ON stood in 150.

idiot.

miam.

I imagine in your mind that was some amazing comeback. trust me, it only made you look stupid.

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Re: Will Trump be deemed unfit for office?
Reply #118 - Feb 9^th, 2017 at 6:29pm

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 9^th, 2017 at 6:08pm:

Panther wrote on Feb 9^th, 2017 at 6:06pm:

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United States presidential election, 2016

Source: Wikipedia
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The United States presidential election of 2016 was the 58th quadrennial American presidential election, held on Tuesday, November 8, 2016. The Republican ticket of businessman Donald Trump and Indiana Governor Mike Pence defeated the Democratic ticket of former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and U.S. Senator from Virginia Tim Kaine. Trump took office as the 45th President, and Pence as the 48th Vice President, on January 20, 2017. Concurrent with the presidential election, Senate, House, and many gubernatorial and state and local elections were also held on November 8.

Voters selected members of the Electoral College in each state, in most cases by "winner-takes-all" plurality; those state electors in turn voted for a new president and vice president on December 19, 2016.[a] While Clinton received about 2.9 million more votes nationwide, a margin of 2.1%, or 48% of the total cast, Trump won with 56% of electors in the Electoral College, winning 30 states with 306 pledged electors out of 538. He won the perennial swing states of Florida, Iowa and Ohio, as well as Clinton's "blue wall" states of Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin, which had been Democratic strongholds in presidential elections since the 1990s. Leading up to the election, a Trump victory was considered extremely unlikely by most media forecasts.

In the Electoral College vote on December 19, seven electors voted against their pledged candidates: two against Trump and five against Clinton. A further three electors attempted to vote against Clinton but were replaced or forced to vote again. Ultimately, Trump received 304 electoral votes and Clinton garnered 227, while Colin Powell won three, and John Kasich, Ron Paul, Bernie Sanders, and Faith Spotted Eagle each received one.

Trump is the fifth person in U.S. history to become president despite losing the nationwide popular vote. He is the first president without any prior experience in public service or the military, while Clinton was the first woman to be the presidential nominee of the Democratic Party.

This was the first time since the landslide 1984 re-election of Ronald Reagan that Wisconsin voted for the Republican nominee. It was also the first time since the 1828 election, in which Democratic nominee Andrew Jackson won the presidency, that an electoral vote split occurred in Maine.....

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When do 77 votes mean more that 3 million votes?

When they are Electoral College Votes for President, that's when.

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United States President Donald J. Trump won the U.S. Presidency by 77 Electoral College votes.

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and the racist n1ggr hater returns.

You are a worthless POS

Awwww, burns yer leftist ass when I present Fact & Truth dunnit!!

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Re: Will Trump be deemed unfit for office?
Reply #119 - Feb 9^th, 2017 at 6:33pm

Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 9^th, 2017 at 6:21pm:

I suppose you muppets must have been outraged at this then-

Pay attention, Homo.

Nobody is outraged.

Trump won the election, according to the rules.

We all completely accept that fact.

Now you need to accept the fact that he's not the President the American voters wanted.

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