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Reply #45 - Feb 8^th, 2017 at 4:48pm

Panther wrote on Feb 8^th, 2017 at 4:44pm:

John Smith wrote on Feb 8^th, 2017 at 4:17pm:

Panther wrote on Feb 8^th, 2017 at 4:14pm:

Ok.....one anti-Trump, chest thumper, eliminated.....a dozen or so to go.

you haven't eliminated anyone ... you're dreaming if you think he cannot be impeached.

Anything can happen in US Politics.......but that said, NO SITTING US PRESIDENT over 230+ years has ever been forcibly removed from office via Impeachment.

Only 2 were impeached in over 230+ years.....Neither were removed.

President Donald J. Trump can be, but won't be legally removed from office outside of not being reelected. In American history, being reelected is overwhelmingly in an incumbent's favor if he wants a second term, & runs for a second term.

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Up to the challenge?....

For what, according to what law, & how?

Why not join Agnes?? [/font]

are you arguing that it is technically impossible? Roll Eyes

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Re: Will Trump be deemed unfit for office?
Reply #46 - Feb 8^th, 2017 at 4:48pm

Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 8^th, 2017 at 4:44pm:

John Smith wrote on Feb 8^th, 2017 at 4:41pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 8^th, 2017 at 4:40pm:

It would put on display how the US political system is undemocratic

that horse has long bolted

3 million less votes and he still won Cheesy

Clinton won twice on less primary votes numbskull. It's not the first time it's happened.

We'll let you prove that claim, Homo.

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Re: Will Trump be deemed unfit for office?
Reply #47 - Feb 8^th, 2017 at 4:51pm

Karnal wrote on Feb 8^th, 2017 at 4:48pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 8^th, 2017 at 4:44pm:

John Smith wrote on Feb 8^th, 2017 at 4:41pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 8^th, 2017 at 4:40pm:

It would put on display how the US political system is undemocratic

that horse has long bolted

3 million less votes and he still won Cheesy

Clinton won twice on less primary votes numbskull. It's not the first time it's happened.

We'll let you prove that claim, Homo.

Bill Clinton won the popular vote twice, both times with less than 50 percent of the total. Al Gore won the popular vote in 2000, but lost the Electoral College and the presidency. George W. Bush won re-election in 2004. Barack Obama won twice. And now it appears Clinton has won the popular contest as well. That’s six out of seven.

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Re: Will Trump be deemed unfit for office?
Reply #48 - Feb 8^th, 2017 at 4:51pm

Panther wrote on Feb 8^th, 2017 at 4:44pm:

John Smith wrote on Feb 8^th, 2017 at 4:17pm:

Panther wrote on Feb 8^th, 2017 at 4:14pm:

Ok.....one anti-Trump, chest thumper, eliminated.....a dozen or so to go.

you haven't eliminated anyone ... you're dreaming if you think he cannot be impeached.

Anything can happen in US Politics.......but that said, NO SITTING US PRESIDENT over 230+ years has ever been forcibly removed from office via Impeachment.

Only 2 were impeached in over 230+ years.....Neither were removed.

President Donald J. Trump can be, but won't be legally removed from office outside of not being reelected. In American history, being reelected is overwhelmingly in an incumbent's favor if he wants a second term, & runs for a second term.

Up to the challenge?....

For what, according to what law, & how?

Why not join Agnes??

Look Clinton and his cigar thing was not an impeachment worthy offence, in fact some say Bill was one of the US best presidents..but Twump is so ignorant it won't be something as silly as a little affair that will see him impeached...most likely be the fact he is rorting the system via his business interests that he is not being honest about..something pretty major and he will provide plenty of impeachable offences for them to choose from...it must already be a massive migraine having a 70 yr old demented toddler in da house..

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John Smith Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 75104 Gender:	Re: Will Trump be deemed unfit for office? Reply #49 - Feb 8^th, 2017 at 4:52pm Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 8^th, 2017 at 4:51pm: Bill Clinton won the popular vote twice you do realise that means he got the most votes? right?
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Mr Hammer Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 25212 Gender:	Re: Will Trump be deemed unfit for office? Reply #50 - Feb 8^th, 2017 at 4:55pm John Smith wrote on Feb 8^th, 2017 at 4:52pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 8^th, 2017 at 4:51pm: Bill Clinton won the popular vote twice you do realise that means he got the most votes? right? Yeah, less than 50%. Gore got the most primary votes and still lost.
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Re: Will Trump be deemed unfit for office?
Reply #51 - Feb 8^th, 2017 at 5:04pm

Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 8^th, 2017 at 4:55pm:

John Smith wrote on Feb 8^th, 2017 at 4:52pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 8^th, 2017 at 4:51pm:

Bill Clinton won the popular vote twice

you do realise that means he got the most votes? right? Cheesy

Yeah, less than 50%. Gore got the most primary votes and still lost.

it doesn't matter if it's less than 50%, they don't have preferences. They still got the most votes of all the other candidates. Trump didn't, he fell way short, by 3million.

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Re: Will Trump be deemed unfit for office?
Reply #52 - Feb 8^th, 2017 at 5:18pm

Karnal wrote on Feb 8^th, 2017 at 4:36pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 8^th, 2017 at 8:11am:

John Smith wrote on Feb 8^th, 2017 at 8:01am:

i'll be very surprised if he lasts a full term.

At his current speed of craziness, I think he could be removed by mid-year. He is clearly showing signs of paranoid delusion and his team is so incompetent that they literally work in some darkened offices in the West Wing because they dont know how to turn the lights on and there is no one left to even ask.

What's far more likely than impeachment is the public's willingness to suck up the lies.

Well, 50% of the public. The US has never been so divided, even during Vietnam and Watergate. The other 50% will continue to rail and protest against Trump, making almost everything Trump does smell like sh/t. Trump can't possibly govern for all Americans, and there's no sign in his behaviour that he ever intended to.

Trump will prevail because the public has such low expectations of him, but he will certainly get nothing of any merit done. All Trump has to do is deliver on his breaking a few eggs promise - undo the work of Obama, break up federal agencies, get rid of a few taxes for the rich.

Trump will get his 4 years because the voters gave those 4 years away. The world will become accustomed to Trump, just as you get used to most afflictions. Trump's transparent spin will give us no end of entertainment - made even more compelling by the fact that this is the highest office in the world. This is not TV, it's reality.

Don't worry, Longy, you'll get used to it. You have no choice.

Even the idiot trumpoids cannot put up forever with the paranoid insanity of this clown. Even sprinty has gone quiet as he watches his king go mad(der). Here he is claiming that media isnt reporting terrorist attacks that literally have 24/7 coverage for weeks. Conway is literally MAKING UP terrorist attacks.

Even the dumbest-of-the-dumb are going to pick up the problems in this. The republicans know he is a fool and will be just as happy to be rid of him.

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Re: Will Trump be deemed unfit for office?
Reply #53 - Feb 8^th, 2017 at 5:28pm

Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 8^th, 2017 at 4:51pm:

Karnal wrote on Feb 8^th, 2017 at 4:48pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 8^th, 2017 at 4:44pm:

John Smith wrote on Feb 8^th, 2017 at 4:41pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 8^th, 2017 at 4:40pm:

It would put on display how the US political system is undemocratic

that horse has long bolted

3 million less votes and he still won Cheesy

Clinton won twice on less primary votes numbskull. It's not the first time it's happened.

We'll let you prove that claim, Homo.

Bill Clinton won the popular vote twice, both times with less than 50 percent of the total. Al Gore won the popular vote in 2000, but lost the Electoral College and the presidency. George W. Bush won re-election in 2004. Barack Obama won twice. And now it appears Clinton has won the popular contest as well. That’s six out of seven.

Everyone wins with less than 50% of the total, Homo, because the total doesn't vote.

I'm asking you to back up your claim that Clinton lost the popular vote - twice. This was your claim. Will you prove it?

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Re: Will Trump be deemed unfit for office?
Reply #54 - Feb 8^th, 2017 at 5:34pm

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 8^th, 2017 at 5:18pm:

Karnal wrote on Feb 8^th, 2017 at 4:36pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 8^th, 2017 at 8:11am:

John Smith wrote on Feb 8^th, 2017 at 8:01am:

i'll be very surprised if he lasts a full term.

At his current speed of craziness, I think he could be removed by mid-year. He is clearly showing signs of paranoid delusion and his team is so incompetent that they literally work in some darkened offices in the West Wing because they dont know how to turn the lights on and there is no one left to even ask.

What's far more likely than impeachment is the public's willingness to suck up the lies.

Well, 50% of the public. The US has never been so divided, even during Vietnam and Watergate. The other 50% will continue to rail and protest against Trump, making almost everything Trump does smell like sh/t. Trump can't possibly govern for all Americans, and there's no sign in his behaviour that he ever intended to.

Trump will prevail because the public has such low expectations of him, but he will certainly get nothing of any merit done. All Trump has to do is deliver on his breaking a few eggs promise - undo the work of Obama, break up federal agencies, get rid of a few taxes for the rich.

Trump will get his 4 years because the voters gave those 4 years away. The world will become accustomed to Trump, just as you get used to most afflictions. Trump's transparent spin will give us no end of entertainment - made even more compelling by the fact that this is the highest office in the world. This is not TV, it's reality.

Don't worry, Longy, you'll get used to it. You have no choice.

Even the idiot trumpoids cannot put up forever with the paranoid insanity of this clown. Even sprinty has gone quiet as he watches his king go mad(der). Here he is claiming that media isnt reporting terrorist attacks that literally have 24/7 coverage for weeks. Conway is literally MAKING UP terrorist attacks.

Even the dumbest-of-the-dumb are going to pick up the problems in this. The republicans know he is a fool and will be just as happy to be rid of him.

The dumbest will hang in there, Longy, just as you stuck up for Mr Abbott a long as you possibly could.

Trump, of course, is no comparison, but the dummies love him because he promotes bigotry. Do this, it seems, and you'll get a crowd of rusted-ons no matter what else you do or say.

Bush got 8 years. The dummies only came around in his second term. Sure they'll come to on Trump, but they'll give him his chance to do as much damage first.

The objective for a significant number of people is to wreak as much havoc as possible - anywhere. Only when they see that havoc wreaked upon them will they finally see reason and stop their current crap.

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Re: Will Trump be deemed unfit for office?
Reply #55 - Feb 8^th, 2017 at 6:19pm

Karnal wrote on Feb 8^th, 2017 at 5:34pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 8^th, 2017 at 5:18pm:

Karnal wrote on Feb 8^th, 2017 at 4:36pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 8^th, 2017 at 8:11am:

John Smith wrote on Feb 8^th, 2017 at 8:01am:

i'll be very surprised if he lasts a full term.

At his current speed of craziness, I think he could be removed by mid-year. He is clearly showing signs of paranoid delusion and his team is so incompetent that they literally work in some darkened offices in the West Wing because they dont know how to turn the lights on and there is no one left to even ask.

What's far more likely than impeachment is the public's willingness to suck up the lies.

Well, 50% of the public. The US has never been so divided, even during Vietnam and Watergate. The other 50% will continue to rail and protest against Trump, making almost everything Trump does smell like sh/t. Trump can't possibly govern for all Americans, and there's no sign in his behaviour that he ever intended to.

Trump will prevail because the public has such low expectations of him, but he will certainly get nothing of any merit done. All Trump has to do is deliver on his breaking a few eggs promise - undo the work of Obama, break up federal agencies, get rid of a few taxes for the rich.

Trump will get his 4 years because the voters gave those 4 years away. The world will become accustomed to Trump, just as you get used to most afflictions. Trump's transparent spin will give us no end of entertainment - made even more compelling by the fact that this is the highest office in the world. This is not TV, it's reality.

Don't worry, Longy, you'll get used to it. You have no choice.

Even the idiot trumpoids cannot put up forever with the paranoid insanity of this clown. Even sprinty has gone quiet as he watches his king go mad(der). Here he is claiming that media isnt reporting terrorist attacks that literally have 24/7 coverage for weeks. Conway is literally MAKING UP terrorist attacks.

Even the dumbest-of-the-dumb are going to pick up the problems in this. The republicans know he is a fool and will be just as happy to be rid of him.

The dumbest will hang in there, Longy, just as you stuck up for Mr Abbott a long as you possibly could.

Trump, of course, is no comparison, but the dummies love him because he promotes bigotry. Do this, it seems, and you'll get a crowd of rusted-ons no matter what else you do or say.

Bush got 8 years. The dummies only came around in his second term. Sure they'll come to on Trump, but they'll give him his chance to do as much damage first.

The objective for a significant number of people is to wreak as much havoc as possible - anywhere. Only when they see that havoc wreaked upon them will they finally see reason and stop their current crap.

Trump is a special case. Presidents have been good and poor. But this one is beyond incompetent, setting new standards by which others will be measured. His incredible lies will eventually toke hold of even the craziest nutjobs. You can only say the sky is orange for so long
before people actually look up and see it is blue.

Notice how sprint has already given up? Even mechanic has slowed down. Panther and hammer will keep going tho as they are out-and-out racists and such people have no pride... or morals.

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Reply #56 - Feb 9^th, 2017 at 3:14am

Sprint has not given up, Longy, nor has Mechanic, and nor will Panther or Homo.

None of them give a hoot if they're proven wrong, and they are proven so on a daily basis. They believe they can get away with it, if you don't mind me saying, because they think they're that good.

What's actually the case, however, is they think everyone else is as dumb as they are.

Year 9 maths, innit.

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Reply #57 - Feb 9^th, 2017 at 9:20am

John Smith wrote on Feb 8^th, 2017 at 5:04pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 8^th, 2017 at 4:55pm:

John Smith wrote on Feb 8^th, 2017 at 4:52pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 8^th, 2017 at 4:51pm:

Bill Clinton won the popular vote twice

you do realise that means he got the most votes? right? Cheesy

Yeah, less than 50%. Gore got the most primary votes and still lost.

it doesn't matter if it's less than 50%, they don't have preferences. They still got the most votes of all the other candidates. Trump didn't, he fell way short, by 3million.

When will you dickwad, idiot, muthafawkers ever get it through your thick muthafawking skulls....

America was not founded as a Democracy, America never was a Democracy, & America never will be a Democracy!

America is a CONSTITUTIONAL REPUBLIC.

Everything in America evolves around the "Rule of Law".

Everything in America evolves around the United States Constitution.

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The Twelfth Amendment (Amendment XII) to the United States Constitution provides the procedure for electing the President and Vice President. It replaced the procedure provided in Article II, Section 1, Clause 3, by which the Electoral College originally functioned. Problems with the original procedure arose in the elections of 1796 and 1800. The Twelfth Amendment refined the process whereby a President and a Vice President are elected by the Electoral College. The amendment was proposed by the Congress on December 9, 1803, and was ratified by the requisite three-fourths of state legislatures on June 15, 1804......
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The American Founding Fathers despised the premise of 50% + 1 wins.....Mob Rule......where the majority will always subjugate the minority........The American Founding Fathers despised the thought that America would become that Democracy, & they did everything in their power to make sure America would never be that Democracy when crafting the Constitution.

They devised a method to employ regarding the elections of Presidents & Vice Presidents.

Read the Laws that America will abide by when electing a President & Vice President in every National Election for President & Vice President.....Article II Section I, later revised with the 12^th Amendment to the US Constitution.

Everyone running for President & Vice President knows full well that they are not campaigning for the Popular Vote, they are campaigning for States, & the Electoral College Members chosen by those States to represent thenm when the Electoral Collage.....not the People.....cast their votes for the President & Vice President of the United States of America.

Who wins the Presidential Election vote wise, the 'National Popularity Contest', is totally & absolutely immaterial.

Who wins the most Electoral College Votes, on the other hand, is all important.

Anyone that thinks otherwise is ignorant of American Law provided within the United States Constitution.

So 3 million more votes means dick-squat ........ Unfortunately for the loser of the 2016 Presidential Election, they were cast in the wrong places.....pure & simple.....they had nothing to do with deciding the election of the President & Vice President of the United States.

America is governed by the United States Constitution.

America is not a Democracy........it's a Constitutional Republic!

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Re: Will Trump be deemed unfit for office?
Reply #58 - Feb 9^th, 2017 at 10:36am

Karnal wrote on Feb 8^th, 2017 at 4:36pm:

Trump will prevail because the public has such low expectations of him, but he will certainly get nothing of any merit done. All Trump has to do is deliver on his breaking a few eggs promise - undo the work of Obama, break up federal agencies, get rid of a few taxes for the rich.

I see one of 3 things happening during this term:

1. Trump will bumble around propose all sorts of outrageous policies but get blocked at every turn. He will become nothing more than a media spectacle, flailing around saying all sorts of outrageous, yet ultimately harmless stuff. Meanwhile the repug controlled congress will push through all the repug-agenda stuff - with the Trump spectacle providing a useful cover for some of the more extreme elements of that agenda.

2. Trump will actually use his executive powers to remove or greatly diminish the system of checks and balances to get his agenda through and consolidate his grip on power. This will move America towards an authoritarian system. Whether or not this is possible will come down to the legal nuances of the American constitution and what loopholes are open to Trump, and how successful he will be at exploiting them.

3. Number 2 is attempted, but thwarted by the repug congress, who impeach Trump and force his resignation. But this will only happen if and when the repug agenda is pushed through congress and sufficiently set in stone. This includes the all important stacking of the supreme court with conservatives (the main reason why establishment repug's finally rallied behind Trump). I would imagine the repugs already have a sufficient mechanism to impeach Trump - probably in relation to his many business conflicts of interest - which can pretty much be triggered at any moment.

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... Gold Member Offline Posts: 23673 WA Gender:	Re: Will Trump be deemed unfit for office? Reply #59 - Feb 9^th, 2017 at 10:39am I see one and only one thing happening: Delusional, infantile crybabies continuing to scrape the bottom of the barrel for ways to try and rationalise their irrational, dogmatic, contrived opinions.
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