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Re: Will Trump be deemed unfit for office?
Reply #60 - Feb 9^th, 2017 at 10:43am

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 9^th, 2017 at 10:36am:

Karnal wrote on Feb 8^th, 2017 at 4:36pm:

Trump will prevail because the public has such low expectations of him, but he will certainly get nothing of any merit done. All Trump has to do is deliver on his breaking a few eggs promise - undo the work of Obama, break up federal agencies, get rid of a few taxes for the rich.

I see one of 3 things happening during this term:

1. Trump will bumble around propose all sorts of outrageous policies but get blocked at every turn. He will become nothing more than a media spectacle, flailing around saying all sorts of outrageous, yet ultimately harmless stuff. Meanwhile the repug controlled congress will push through all the repug-agenda stuff - with the Trump spectacle providing a useful cover for some of the more extreme elements of that agenda.

2. Trump will actually use his executive powers to remove or greatly diminish the system of checks and balances to get his agenda through and consolidate his grip on power. This will move America towards an authoritarian system. Whether or not this is possible will come down to the legal nuances of the American constitution and what loopholes are open to Trump, and how successful he will be at exploiting them.

3. Number 2 is attempted, but thwarted by the repug congress, who impeach Trump and force his resignation. But this will only happen if and when the repug agenda is pushed through congress and sufficiently set in stone. This includes the all important stacking of the supreme court with conservatives (the main reason why establishment repug's finally rallied behind Trump). I would imagine the repugs already have a sufficient mechanism to impeach Trump - probably in relation to his many business conflicts of interest - which can pretty much be triggered at any moment.

A good assessment.

At first, I though it would be #2.

However, he just doesn't have the intelligence or maturity to carry that out.

I think you're pretty much spot on with #1.

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Re: Will Trump be deemed unfit for office?
Reply #61 - Feb 9^th, 2017 at 11:56am

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 9^th, 2017 at 10:36am:

1. Trump will bumble around propose all sorts of outrageous policies but get blocked at every turn. He will become nothing more than a media spectacle, flailing around saying all sorts of outrageous, yet ultimately harmless stuff. Meanwhile the repug controlled congress will push through all the repug-agenda stuff - with the Trump spectacle providing a useful cover for some of the more extreme elements of that agenda.

Yep.

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Reply #62 - Feb 9^th, 2017 at 12:09pm

Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 8^th, 2017 at 4:40pm:

Karnal wrote on Feb 8^th, 2017 at 4:36pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 8^th, 2017 at 8:11am:

John Smith wrote on Feb 8^th, 2017 at 8:01am:

i'll be very surprised if he lasts a full term.

At his current speed of craziness, I think he could be removed by mid-year. He is clearly showing signs of paranoid delusion and his team is so incompetent that they literally work in some darkened offices in the West Wing because they dont know how to turn the lights on and there is no one left to even ask.

What's far more likely than impeachment is the public's willingness to suck up the lies.

Well, 50% of the public. The US has never been so divided, even during Vietnam and Watergate. The other 50% will continue to rail and protest against Trump, making almost everything Trump does smell like sh/t. Trump can't possibly govern for all Americans, and there's no sign in his behaviour that he ever intended to.

Trump will prevail because the public has such low expectations of him, but he will certainly get nothing of any merit done. All Trump has to do is deliver on his breaking a few eggs promise - undo the work of Obama, break up federal agencies, get rid of a few taxes for the rich.

Trump will get his 4 years because the voters gave those 4 years away. The world will become accustomed to Trump, just as you get used to most afflictions. Trump's transparent spin will give us no end of entertainment - made even more compelling by the fact that this is the highest office in the world. This is not TV, it's reality.

Don't worry, Longy, you'll get used to it. You have no choice.

What sort of message would get sent if the leftists whinged so much that Trump got the sack? It would put on display how the US political system is undemocratic and would put the country into massive social division and decay. The best thing is to let it run it's course and stick to the system.

Actually, it would demonstrate the fundamental strength of the democratic system that autocratic and dictatorial people are REMOVED by that same system.

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Reply #63 - Feb 9^th, 2017 at 12:12pm

Panther wrote on Feb 9^th, 2017 at 9:20am:

John Smith wrote on Feb 8^th, 2017 at 5:04pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 8^th, 2017 at 4:55pm:

John Smith wrote on Feb 8^th, 2017 at 4:52pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 8^th, 2017 at 4:51pm:

Bill Clinton won the popular vote twice

you do realise that means he got the most votes? right? Cheesy

Yeah, less than 50%. Gore got the most primary votes and still lost.

it doesn't matter if it's less than 50%, they don't have preferences. They still got the most votes of all the other candidates. Trump didn't, he fell way short, by 3million.

When will you dickwad, idiot, muthafawkers ever get it through your thick muthafawking skulls....

America was not founded as a Democracy, America never was a Democracy, & America never will be a Democracy!

America is a CONSTITUTIONAL REPUBLIC.

Everything in America evolves around the "Rule of Law".

Everything in America evolves around the United States Constitution.

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The Twelfth Amendment (Amendment XII) to the United States Constitution provides the procedure for electing the President and Vice President. It replaced the procedure provided in Article II, Section 1, Clause 3, by which the Electoral College originally functioned. Problems with the original procedure arose in the elections of 1796 and 1800. The Twelfth Amendment refined the process whereby a President and a Vice President are elected by the Electoral College. The amendment was proposed by the Congress on December 9, 1803, and was ratified by the requisite three-fourths of state legislatures on June 15, 1804......
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The American Founding Fathers despised the premise of 50% + 1 wins.....Mob Rule......where the majority will always subjugate the minority........The American Founding Fathers despised the thought that America would become that Democracy, & they did everything in their power to make sure America would never be that Democracy when crafting the Constitution.

They devised a method to employ regarding the elections of Presidents & Vice Presidents.

Read the Laws that America will abide by when electing a President & Vice President in every National Election for President & Vice President.....Article II Section I, later revised with the 12^th Amendment to the US Constitution.

Everyone running for President & Vice President knows full well that they are not campaigning for the Popular Vote, they are campaigning for States, & the Electoral College Members chosen by those States to represent thenm when the Electoral Collage.....not the People.....cast their votes for the President & Vice President of the United States of America.

Who wins the Presidential Election vote wise, the 'National Popularity Contest', is totally & absolutely immaterial.

Who wins the most Electoral College Votes, on the other hand, is all important.

Anyone that thinks otherwise is ignorant of American Law provided within the United States Constitution.

So 3 million more votes means dick-squat ........ Unfortunately for the loser of the 2016 Presidential Election, they were cast in the wrong places.....pure & simple.....they had nothing to do with deciding the election of the President & Vice President of the United States.

America is governed by the United States Constitution.

America is not a Democracy........it's a Constitutional Republic!

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wow... that is possibly the stupidest and most ignorant thing youve said - and that is quite a challenge. You seem to confuse democracy-the-concept and style of government.

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Re: Will Trump be deemed unfit for office?
Reply #64 - Feb 9^th, 2017 at 12:14pm

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 9^th, 2017 at 12:09pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 8^th, 2017 at 4:40pm:

Karnal wrote on Feb 8^th, 2017 at 4:36pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 8^th, 2017 at 8:11am:

John Smith wrote on Feb 8^th, 2017 at 8:01am:

i'll be very surprised if he lasts a full term.

At his current speed of craziness, I think he could be removed by mid-year. He is clearly showing signs of paranoid delusion and his team is so incompetent that they literally work in some darkened offices in the West Wing because they dont know how to turn the lights on and there is no one left to even ask.

What's far more likely than impeachment is the public's willingness to suck up the lies.

Well, 50% of the public. The US has never been so divided, even during Vietnam and Watergate. The other 50% will continue to rail and protest against Trump, making almost everything Trump does smell like sh/t. Trump can't possibly govern for all Americans, and there's no sign in his behaviour that he ever intended to.

Trump will prevail because the public has such low expectations of him, but he will certainly get nothing of any merit done. All Trump has to do is deliver on his breaking a few eggs promise - undo the work of Obama, break up federal agencies, get rid of a few taxes for the rich.

Trump will get his 4 years because the voters gave those 4 years away. The world will become accustomed to Trump, just as you get used to most afflictions. Trump's transparent spin will give us no end of entertainment - made even more compelling by the fact that this is the highest office in the world. This is not TV, it's reality.

Don't worry, Longy, you'll get used to it. You have no choice.

What sort of message would get sent if the leftists whinged so much that Trump got the sack? It would put on display how the US political system is undemocratic and would put the country into massive social division and decay. The best thing is to let it run it's course and stick to the system.

Actually, it would demonstrate the fundamental strength of the democratic system that autocratic and dictatorial people are REMOVED by that same system.

Yeah, by a tiny whinging minority while the 46 million who voted for him lose out.

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Re: Will Trump be deemed unfit for office?
Reply #66 - Feb 9^th, 2017 at 12:50pm

John Smith wrote on Feb 9^th, 2017 at 12:32pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 9^th, 2017 at 12:14pm:

Yeah, by a tiny whinging minority while the 46 million who voted for him lose out.

and the 49 million who voted against him win ...... also known as DEMOCRACY

Are we still talking about Trump?

If so, approximately 73.6 million people voted against him.

Approx. 62.9 million voted for him.

A gap of more than 10 million.

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Reply #67 - Feb 9^th, 2017 at 12:54pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 9^th, 2017 at 12:50pm:

John Smith wrote on Feb 9^th, 2017 at 12:32pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 9^th, 2017 at 12:14pm:

Yeah, by a tiny whinging minority while the 46 million who voted for him lose out.

and the 49 million who voted against him win ...... also known as DEMOCRACY

Are we still talking about Trump?

If so, approximately 73.6 million people voted against him.

Approx. 62.9 million voted for him.

A gap of more than 10 million.

thanks ... i didn't check the numbers, when he said 46 I assumed (stupidly) he'd at least get that right Cheesy

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I hope that bitch who was running their brothels for them gets raped with a cactus.

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Re: Will Trump be deemed unfit for office?
Reply #68 - Feb 9^th, 2017 at 1:01pm

John Smith wrote on Feb 9^th, 2017 at 12:54pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 9^th, 2017 at 12:50pm:

John Smith wrote on Feb 9^th, 2017 at 12:32pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 9^th, 2017 at 12:14pm:

Yeah, by a tiny whinging minority while the 46 million who voted for him lose out.

and the 49 million who voted against him win ...... also known as DEMOCRACY

Are we still talking about Trump?

If so, approximately 73.6 million people voted against him.

Approx. 62.9 million voted for him.

A gap of more than 10 million.

thanks ... i didn't check the numbers, when he said 46 I assumed (stupidly) he'd at least get that right Cheesy

He might have been thinking in percentages.

Approx. 46% voted for Trump.

Approx. 54% voted against him.

A gap of 8 percentage points.

Either way you look at it, most voters did NOT want Trump as their President.

The Trumptards can talk about the electoral college, and how the popular vote doesn't determine who becomes President, as much as they like.

It will never change the fact that the American voting public did NOT get the President they wanted.

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Reply #69 - Feb 9^th, 2017 at 2:26pm

Karnal wrote on Feb 9^th, 2017 at 3:14am:

Sprint has not given up, Longy, nor has Mechanic, and nor will Panther or Homo.

None of them give a hoot if they're proven wrong, and they are proven so on a daily basis. They believe they can get away with it, if you don't mind me saying, because they think they're that good.

What's actually the case, however, is they think everyone else is as dumb as they are.

Year 9 maths, innit.

LOL, anyone who posts on here(Ozpol) is probably in the top 20 % of the population in terms of engagement and political intelligence
its not that the population are dumb, they just dont care.they are too disinterested to even post an opinion.
they care more about the superbowl and the winner of american idol.

Gweg thinks the american people are outraged by trumps alleged sexual assaults.
they could not give a flying f*ck.
they could not care less about lies.

They have the attention span of twitter...thats how he won the election.

year 9 maths is not neccessary to read 21 words on a tweet.

the intellectual elite are so divorced from reality.

They just make trump look strong.
no one likes a cry baby and a sore loser.
suck it up leftards, if you want to hurt trump, just suck it up.
leftards are trumps biggest asset along with the leftard media who keep attacking him (and by default , keep attacking american patriotism).

social intelligence of leftards = non existant.

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Reply #71 - Feb 9^th, 2017 at 3:02pm

aquascoot wrote on Feb 9^th, 2017 at 2:26pm:

Gweg thinks the american people are outraged by trumps alleged sexual assaults.

No.

Greg is outraged that the American people aren't outraged by Trump's self-confessed sexual assaults.

Greg is also a little concerned that you spend every day in here defending a self-confessed sexual predator.

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Re: Will Trump be deemed unfit for office?
Reply #72 - Feb 9^th, 2017 at 3:08pm

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 9^th, 2017 at 2:40pm:

aquascoot wrote on Feb 9^th, 2017 at 2:26pm:

social intelligence of leftards = non existant.

Says the guy who plays with horses all day.

ah, not so.
2 things , i have found, will bring me back to reality again and again and again.
working with horses and running a business (interacting with the public).

theres the way you would "like" things to be (the echo chamber, observer bias, emotional addiction, drawing state off the environment , stimulation and titilation...and the mainstream media and group think and modern social conditioning are FULL of it)
and then theres the harsh reality of how things actually are.

you cant run a business or work with horses and not hone your skills and build your social intelligence thru 1000's and 1000's of reference experiences (learning experiences).
you can , maybe for a while, but you will be destroyed if you dont develop real social intelligence and real mindfulness.

the person who just tries to think his way to a solution will remain forever socially naive.

it is totally illogical that a rich, arrogant and ugly man like trump got to be president.
he got there through his superior social intelligence and he got his superior social intelligence thru the 1000's of reference experiences he got grinding it out for years in the harsh reality of business.

the marketplace IS reality
nature IS reality.

leftard intellectuals need to put down the books, jump on a horse(or at least take some sort of action ) and start a business(this is also taking action). this is the path of the socially intelligent man

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Re: Will Trump be deemed unfit for office?
Reply #73 - Feb 9^th, 2017 at 3:10pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 9^th, 2017 at 3:02pm:

aquascoot wrote on Feb 9^th, 2017 at 2:26pm:

Gweg thinks the american people are outraged by trumps alleged sexual assaults.

No.

Greg is outraged that the American people aren't outraged by Trump's self-confessed sexual assaults.

Greg is also a little concerned that you spend every day in here defending a self-confessed sexual predator.

thats because you have no idea what goes on in the head of the average voter.

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Reply #74 - Feb 9^th, 2017 at 3:12pm

aquascoot wrote on Feb 9^th, 2017 at 3:10pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 9^th, 2017 at 3:02pm:

aquascoot wrote on Feb 9^th, 2017 at 2:26pm:

Gweg thinks the american people are outraged by trumps alleged sexual assaults.

No.

Greg is outraged that the American people aren't outraged by Trump's self-confessed sexual assaults.

Greg is also a little concerned that you spend every day in here defending a self-confessed sexual predator.

thats because you have no idea what goes on in the head of the average voter.

'average voter'?

The average voter in America didn't want Trump as their President.

73.6 million people voted against him.

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