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How to spinelessly apologise for racism
Feb 9^th, 2017 at 1:23pm

I think FD is writing the official textbook.

Recently I asked people whether they considered this statement of moses' was racist:

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muslims have inbred themselves into a subgroup of low intelligence beings

Always eager to leap to the Islamophobe's defense, FD complained that I was being dishonest in leaving out the rest of the quote, which reads:

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Is it a coincidence that muslims have inbred themselves into a subgroup of low intelligence beings, who are stupid enough to absolutely worship every piece of filth and perversion in the qur'an as being irrevocably perfect and pure?

Or was it planed by evilness?

And made the rather extraordinary claim that:

freediver wrote on Feb 9^th, 2017 at 12:39pm:

I am pretty sure fewer people would have voted racist if you included the rant about the Koran

How so FD? Why exactly would someone who considers the statement "muslims have inbred themselves into a subgroup of low intelligence beings" racist - suddenly change their mind if the statement continued on by saying these "inbred low intelligence beings" are "stupid enough" to worship the Quran? If you find the idea that muslims are a "subgroup of low intelligence beings" racist how exactly does that idea change when you go on to include the "stupid" things such "low intelligence beings" do?

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Mr Hammer Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 25212 Gender:	Re: How to spinelessly apologise for racism Reply #1 - Feb 9^th, 2017 at 1:25pm Could marrying you first cousin cause your DNA quality to decrease?
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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 96187 Gender:	Re: How to spinelessly apologise for racism Reply #2 - Feb 9^th, 2017 at 1:40pm FD hasn't been the same since he joined the Australian Liberty Alliance. He gets this nervous tick every time racism is mentioned. A bit of a war wound. Don't ask.
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Re: How to spinelessly apologise for racism
Reply #3 - Feb 9^th, 2017 at 3:47pm

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I am pretty sure fewer people would have voted racist if you included the rant about the Koran

FD are you saying the statement "muslims have inbred themselves into a subgroup of low intelligence beings" on its own actually is racist? But that as soon as you include the sorts of "stupidity" these "low intelligence beings" engage in - it magically stops being racist?

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 96187 Gender:	Re: How to spinelessly apologise for racism Reply #4 - Feb 10^th, 2017 at 1:01am Strange, FD won't say. How unlike FD.
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Re: How to spinelessly apologise for racism
Reply #5 - Feb 10^th, 2017 at 9:54am

Apparently by not referring to the stupid things stupid inbred people do...

freediver wrote on Feb 9^th, 2017 at 7:53pm:

it is less likely that people will mistake inbreeding for breeding. And if you include the reference to the Koran people are more likely to realise that Moses is talking about a group defined by religion, not race. Basically, by including the context, the actual meaning becomes far clearer. This is what people mean when they say you deliberately mislead by stripping the context. You are lying in order to further the Islamic victimhood industry.

Did anyone else fall into the trap of thinking that 1400 years of inbreeding has something to do with breeding? I offer my most sincere apologies to anyone who has been affected. I hope my subsequent inclusion of the rest of the quote that explains the stupid things stupid inbred people do - clarifies moses' position, namely that he definitely wasn't talking about muslims breeding for 1400 years.

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49222 At my desk.	Re: How to spinelessly apologise for racism Reply #6 - Feb 10^th, 2017 at 11:37am Gandalf, does it count as spinelessly apologising for racism if you support genocide by saying the entire tribe of Jews had to be wiped out because they literally were a mindless collective?
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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 96187 Gender:	Re: How to spinelessly apologise for racism Reply #7 - Feb 10^th, 2017 at 2:37pm Don't want to answer the question, eh? Typical Muslim.
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Re: How to spinelessly apologise for racism
Reply #8 - Feb 10^th, 2017 at 2:41pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 9^th, 2017 at 3:47pm:

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I am pretty sure fewer people would have voted racist if you included the rant about the Koran

FD are you saying the statement "muslims have inbred themselves into a subgroup of low intelligence beings" on its own actually is racist? But that as soon as you include the sorts of "stupidity" these "low intelligence beings" engage in - it magically stops being racist?

Muslims are not a race therefore criticism of muslims cannot be racist

There are many sahih ahadith that say $Profit Mo was a white man.

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Leftists and the Ayatollahs have a lot in common when it comes to criticism of Islam, they don't tolerate it.

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Re: How to spinelessly apologise for racism
Reply #9 - Feb 10^th, 2017 at 7:50pm

The words of a racist:

polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 5^th, 2013 at 10:27am:

freediver wrote on Dec 5^th, 2013 at 8:26am:

If you think these 800 people acted as some kind of mindless collective

Thats exactly what they were.

polite_gandalf wrote on May 23^rd, 2016 at 5:52pm:

we call them scheming jews.

Gandalf denying he described them as a mindless collective: http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1464336968

polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 5^th, 2013 at 3:11pm:

As I said, there was no real concept of individuality - your personality was literally defined by which tribe you belonged to. And the decisions that govern the tribe are very much decisions that are represented by all the individuals who make up the tribe. Thus there really is no question of collective guilt - no matter how abhorrent we find the term today.

polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 6^th, 2013 at 2:05pm:

Like I keep saying, it is reasonable to accuse them of collective guilt, since at any time any individual had the opportunity to disassociate themselves from the decisions made on behalf of the tribe.

polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 5^th, 2013 at 6:38am:

They obviously could not be trusted to remain under the treaty of Medina, or be left free to leave and join forces with the enemy like the Banu Nadir. So off with your heads traitors. Boo hoo.

polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 5^th, 2013 at 10:27am:

freediver wrote on Dec 5^th, 2013 at 8:26am:

The historical evidence indicates that some of these people actually helped the Muslims, and there were no actual hostilities against them.

Supplying weapons while at the same time conspiring with the enemy behind Muhammad's back is even worse. Keeping the pretense that they are "with" Muhammad, in order to conceal their treachery.

This one is about one of the other tribes of Jews that Muhammed dealt with earlier. Apparently Muhammed had "generously" allowed them to get kicked out of their homes, and they responded with more Jewish treachery. The only link between the two tribes in question (and a third that Muhammed got rid of) is that they were Jewish.

polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 4^th, 2013 at 3:48pm:

Muhammad had been burnt before by granting another traitorous tribe free passage to leave the city - upon which they immediately started plotting against Medina and instigating hostilities.

polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 28^th, 2015 at 4:08pm:

Muhammad learned his lesson when he let the other tribe who attacked him leave in good will

polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 4^th, 2013 at 7:07pm:

Lets see what your beloved Sealed Nectar says about these "innocent" jews

polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 16^th, 2013 at 2:04am:

freediver wrote on Aug 15^th, 2013 at 9:13pm:

Does this count as antisemitic propaganda from Muhammed?
http://www.searchtruth.com/book_display.php?book=41&translator=2&number=6980 6981
Ibn 'Umar reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: You will fight against the Jews and you will kill them until even a stone would say: Come here, Muslim, there is a Jew (hiding himself behind me) ; kill him.

Its a prophecy - not anti-semitic propaganda.

Apparently it is OK because Muhammed slaughtered them for political power, not racism, which is completely different to modern anti-semites like Hitler:

polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2013 at 11:05am:

The consistent charge laid at Muhammad was that he hated jews for being jews - making him akin to your more orthodox "anti-semite".
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In that case, the whole doctrinal case of "Muhammad the anti-semite" gets thrown out the window. At that point we might even start to look at the conflict with some semblance of rationality - acknowledging that it was, more than anything else, a conflict over power-politics, not racism or (horror of horrors) anti-semitism.

polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 28^th, 2015 at 4:08pm:

The leaders conspired - yes.
The rest of them had the opportunity to disown their treachery. They declined. So tough titties- off with their heads.

polite_gandalf wrote on May 24^th, 2016 at 7:38pm:

What do you reckon is more absurd - to claim its not racist, or that it could actually be true?

polite_gandalf wrote on May 25^th, 2016 at 1:33pm:

freediver wrote on May 25^th, 2016 at 12:10pm:

So it is OK to use racist propaganda to justify the slaughter of Jews,

No that would indeed be racist.

polite_gandalf wrote on May 25^th, 2016 at 7:45pm:

freediver wrote on May 25^th, 2016 at 6:32pm:

What about insisting they were a mindless collective of treacherous Jews. Would that be racist?

Yes it would FD.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49222 At my desk.	Re: How to spinelessly apologise for racism Reply #10 - Feb 10^th, 2017 at 7:58pm poll added
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Aussie Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 38804 Gender:	Re: How to spinelessly apologise for racism Reply #11 - Feb 10^th, 2017 at 8:50pm Just a minor point. How is killing 800 (and that figure is very rubbery as has already been debated) 'genocide?' Isn't it self evident that it was not?
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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 96187 Gender:	Re: How to spinelessly apologise for racism Reply #12 - Feb 10^th, 2017 at 10:54pm He's got you there, G. Anytime FD wants to avoid a tricky question, he can reference those 200/400/600/800/1000 Jews Moh Killed in a day. Or there's always that Jew Moh killed for his gold. FD? You haven't raised him for a while.
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kemal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 574 Gender:	Re: How to spinelessly apologise for racism Reply #13 - Feb 11^th, 2017 at 6:33am Aussie wrote on Feb 10^th, 2017 at 8:50pm: Just a minor point. How is killing 800 (and that figure is very rubbery as has already been debated) 'genocide?' Isn't it self evident that it was not? I would of thought that if you wiped out a tribe back then, that would equate to genocide.
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49222 At my desk.	Re: How to spinelessly apologise for racism Reply #14 - Feb 11^th, 2017 at 6:45am Aussie wrote on Feb 10^th, 2017 at 8:50pm: Just a minor point. How is killing 800 (and that figure is very rubbery as has already been debated) 'genocide?' Isn't it self evident that it was not? Muhammed killed every male in the tribe. How many do you have to kill before it becomes genocide Aussie?
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Question: When Gandalf described the tribe of Jews as a mindless collective of traitors in order to justify genocide (see post #9), was it:
spinelessly apologising for racism 1 (20.0%) blatant racism 3 (60.0%) a critique of old testament philosophy 1 (20.0%) Total votes: 5 « Last Modified by: freediver on: Feb 10^th, 2017 at 8:09pm »