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Question: When Gandalf described the tribe of Jews as a mindless collective of traitors in order to justify genocide (see post #9), was it:

spinelessly apologising for racism    
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blatant racism    
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a critique of old testament philosophy    
  1 (20.0%)




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Reply #30 - Feb 12th, 2017 at 1:51am
 
FD, I think we should have sustainable fishing again, don't you?

No more Boongs or tinted races stealing decent white people's din dins.

Do you concur?
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Reply #31 - Feb 12th, 2017 at 7:38am
 
Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 11th, 2017 at 5:56pm:
Aussie wrote on Feb 11th, 2017 at 2:04pm:
freediver wrote on Feb 11th, 2017 at 6:45am:
Aussie wrote on Feb 10th, 2017 at 8:50pm:
Just a minor point.  How is killing 800 (and that figure is very rubbery as has already been debated) 'genocide?'  Isn't it self evident that it was not?


Muhammed killed every male in the tribe.

How many do you have to kill before it becomes genocide Aussie?


Every 'Jew.'


The women and children of the Banu Qurayza were sold into slavery or married to muslims.

It didn't stop there that was the first major attack by muslims.


There were initially three large Jewish tribes in Medina. Muhammed had already kicked the other two out before he slaughtered the third. It was all the Jews' fault of course. Muslims were the victims.

Aussie, are you asking me whether Muhammed wiped out the Jews 1400 years ago?
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Reply #32 - Feb 12th, 2017 at 9:32am
 
Apparently...

"Muhammad was once a refugee taken in by the Jewish City of Medina. Within 5-years, he had driven out, executed, or enslaved every jew there."

And in India...

https://themuslimissue.wordpress.com/2015/08/31/islamic-invasion-of-india-the-gr...

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Muslim historian Firishta [full name Muhammad Qasim Hindu Shah, born in 1560 and died in 1620], the author of the Tarikh-i Firishta and the Gulshan-i Ibrahim, was the first to give an idea to the medieval bloodbath that was India during Muslim rule, when he declared that over 400 million Hindus got slaughtered during Muslim invasion and occupation of India. Survivors got enslaved and castrated. India’s population is said to have been around 600 million at the time of Muslim invasion. By the mid 1500’s the Hindu population was 200 million.


http://www.danielpipes.org/comments/29320

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The Muslim conquests, down to the 16th century, were for the Hindus a pure struggle of life and death. Entire cities were burnt down and the populations massacred, with hundreds of thousands killed in every campaign, and similar numbers deported as slaves. Every new invader made (often literally) his hills of Hindus skulls. Thus, the conquest of Afghanistan in the year 1000 was followed by the annihilation of the Hindu population; the region is still called the Hindu Kush, i.e. Hindu slaughter. The Bahmani sultans (1347-1480) in central India made it a rule to kill 100,000 captives in a single day, and many more on other occasions. The conquest of the Vijayanagar empire in 1564 left the capital plus large areas of Karnataka depopulated. And so on.

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Reply #33 - Feb 12th, 2017 at 9:46am
 
That can't be right. Gandalf and the other Muslims like to use India as an example of Muslims living in peace with the pagans, proving that Muhammed's predilection to slaughtering them is not an inherent part of the religion.
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Reply #34 - Feb 12th, 2017 at 12:50pm
 
So bwian what do your Indonesian Muslim friends think of what's going on in Indonesia eh?
What do you think of the Ahok/Agus situation and the elections there?
http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2017/02/11/dont-vote-for-the-wrong-candidate-...
Wasn't there a woman brutally whipped in public there recently for an alleged crime under Sharia law? 
Weren't some guys crucified by ISIS in Mosul recently for smuggling cigarettes or something?
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Reply #35 - Feb 12th, 2017 at 2:52pm
 
freediver wrote on Feb 12th, 2017 at 7:38am:
Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 11th, 2017 at 5:56pm:
Aussie wrote on Feb 11th, 2017 at 2:04pm:
freediver wrote on Feb 11th, 2017 at 6:45am:
Aussie wrote on Feb 10th, 2017 at 8:50pm:
Just a minor point.  How is killing 800 (and that figure is very rubbery as has already been debated) 'genocide?'  Isn't it self evident that it was not?


Muhammed killed every male in the tribe.

How many do you have to kill before it becomes genocide Aussie?


Every 'Jew.'


The women and children of the Banu Qurayza were sold into slavery or married to muslims.

It didn't stop there that was the first major attack by muslims.


There were initially three large Jewish tribes in Medina. Muhammed had already kicked the other two out before he slaughtered the third. It was all the Jews' fault of course. Muslims were the victims.

Aussie, are you asking me whether Muhammed wiped out the Jews 1400 years ago?


No, my question was not that.  It was:

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How is killing 800 (and that figure is very rubbery as has already been debated) 'genocide?'  Isn't it self evident that it was not?


You didn't respond other than with a further question to which I answered with, 'Every Jew.'
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Reply #36 - Feb 12th, 2017 at 3:05pm
 
Ah. So the holocaust was not genocide because some got away?
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Reply #37 - Feb 12th, 2017 at 3:45pm
 
freediver wrote on Feb 12th, 2017 at 3:05pm:
Ah. So the holocaust was not genocide because some got away?


In terms of my definition of 'genocide,' which is:  "the deliberate and systematic extermination of a national, racial, political, or cultural group" ~ correct.

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Reply #38 - Feb 12th, 2017 at 3:47pm
 
Gandalf also prefers to use his own definition of words, like with racism. It is so much easier than giving a straight answer. He does have trouble explaining what that definition is though. Apparently racism is when you racialise people.
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Reply #39 - Feb 12th, 2017 at 3:50pm
 
freediver wrote on Feb 12th, 2017 at 3:47pm:
Gandalf also prefers to use his own definition of words, like with racism. It is so much easier than giving a straight answer. He does have trouble explaining what that definition is though. Apparently racism is when you racialise people.


Those words were not mine, as should have been obvious given the ".."s.  I adopted them from a Dictionary source.
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Reply #40 - Feb 12th, 2017 at 3:51pm
 
freediver wrote on Feb 12th, 2017 at 3:47pm:
Gandalf also prefers to use his own definition of words, like with racism. It is so much easier than giving a straight answer. He does have trouble explaining what that definition is though. Apparently racism is when you racialise people.


Ye who lives in a glass house/stones.  You are yet to tell us after a zillion requests what your definition of 'freedom of speech' is.
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Reply #41 - Feb 12th, 2017 at 3:55pm
 
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Those words were not mine, as should have been obvious given the ".."s.


Yes Aussie, it would have been obvious if they were in your post at the time I responded.

Did the cultural group in question survive Muhammed's extermination?
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Reply #42 - Feb 12th, 2017 at 4:00pm
 
freediver wrote on Feb 12th, 2017 at 3:55pm:
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Those words were not mine, as should have been obvious given the ".."s.


Yes Aussie, it would have been obvious if they were in your post at the time I responded.

Did the cultural group in question survive Muhammed's extermination?


They were always there FD.  You can check for yourself in the Logs.  You will see that the Post has never been edited to add the quotation marks.  Stop making up nasty allegations.

And, yes, that cultural group (Jews) obviously survived the massacre, assuming it ever happened 1300 years ago.
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Reply #43 - Feb 12th, 2017 at 4:04pm
 
So it was not genocide because Muhammed did not kill every Jew on the planet?
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Reply #44 - Feb 12th, 2017 at 4:06pm
 
freediver wrote on Feb 12th, 2017 at 4:04pm:
So it was not genocide because Muhammed did not kill every Jew on the planet?


In terms of 'my' definition, yes.

Here is an edit:

If it happened, it was a massacre.
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