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Bobby. Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 103102 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Immigrants Do Not Increase Crime Reply #105 - Feb 13^th, 2017 at 6:51pm BigOl64 wrote on Feb 13^th, 2017 at 6:49pm: They do in Australia and europe and especially if they hate their host countrymen and women, Muslims are the worst we or europe has every had and are absolutely appalling mistake. That doesn't make sense - are you on the grog again?
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Bobby. Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 103102 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Immigrants Do Not Increase Crime Reply #106 - Feb 13^th, 2017 at 6:51pm BigOl likes a drink.
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Reply #108 - Feb 13^th, 2017 at 6:53pm

Grendel wrote on Feb 13^th, 2017 at 6:34pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 13^th, 2017 at 3:57pm:

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Critique any culture/society/group you desire to Grendel - just don't be insulting to them or your critics. All you do is lower yourself continually to your schoolground level of bully-boy insults and ad hominem debate. When you face up to that and relinquish it, then we might be able to have a conversation. Roll Eyes

Really bwian I think you will find your constant ad hom and flaming requires a response... perhaps you should just stop being a dishonest hypocrite...
You run from debate you hide when you lose.
Best you keep hiding behind your YAWN eh.

Oh, dear, tsk, tsk, Geoff, you need to raise yourself out of the gutter where you live... Roll Eyes

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Someone said we could not judge a person's Aboriginality on their skin colour. Why isn't that applied in the matter of Pascoe? Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

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Reply #109 - Feb 13^th, 2017 at 6:56pm

Grendel wrote on Feb 13^th, 2017 at 6:38pm:

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When you use racist/Xenophobic/Islamophobic/etc. language you are supporting racism/Xenophobia/Islamophobia, Geoff.

But I don't bwian... you tell lies.

When you continue to fail to acknowledge the use of that language, you are showing that you are, deep at heart, a racist/Xenophobe/Islamophobe. You don't like being labelled a racist/Xenophobe/Islamophobe/etc. then stop using their language/insults/supporting their political viewpoints/etc. Simples, really.

Not as simples as you, you have yet to provide one singe example to back yourself up. Your pants must be getting very hot bwian.

However it appears you are too foolish to get the message, no matter how often it is repeated to you as you continued to roll in the mire of the gutter with your endless ad hominem insults and schoolyard builly-boy debating tactics.

I learned ad hom from you bwian, I learned how to return fire from the constant flames and abuse from you bwian. Thank you for that. Now you need to stop being a dishonest hypocrite.

Tsk, tsk.

When you use racist/Xenophobic/Islamophobic/etc. language you are supporting racism/Xenophobia/Islamophobia, Geoff. When you continue to fail to acknowledge the use of that language, you are showing that you are, deep at heart, a racist/Xenophobe/Islamophobe. You don't like being labelled a racist/Xenophobe/Islamophobe/etc. then stop using their language/insults/supporting their political viewpoints/etc. Simples, really. However it appears you are too foolish to get the message, no matter how often it is repeated to you as you continued to roll in the mire of the gutter with your endless ad hominem insults and schoolyard builly-boy debating tactics. Tsk, tsk. Roll Eyes

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Someone said we could not judge a person's Aboriginality on their skin colour. Why isn't that applied in the matter of Pascoe? Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

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Brian Ross Gold Member Offline Representative of me Posts: 40938	Re: Immigrants Do Not Increase Crime Reply #110 - Feb 13^th, 2017 at 6:57pm BigOl64 wrote on Feb 13^th, 2017 at 6:49pm: They do in Australia and europe and especially if they hate their host countrymen and women, Muslims are the worst we or europe has every had and are absolutely appalling mistake. I think you need to become a little more coherent in your argument, Bigol64...
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Reply #111 - Feb 14^th, 2017 at 10:15am

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 13^th, 2017 at 6:53pm:

Grendel wrote on Feb 13^th, 2017 at 6:34pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 13^th, 2017 at 3:57pm:

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/128170/2467911-yawn_20smiley.jpg

Critique any culture/society/group you desire to Grendel - just don't be insulting to them or your critics. All you do is lower yourself continually to your schoolground level of bully-boy insults and ad hominem debate. When you face up to that and relinquish it, then we might be able to have a conversation. Roll Eyes

Really bwian I think you will find your constant ad hom and flaming requires a response... perhaps you should just stop being a dishonest hypocrite...
You run from debate you hide when you lose.
Best you keep hiding behind your YAWN eh.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/128170/2467911-yawn_20smiley.jpg

Oh, dear, tsk, tsk, Geoff, you need to raise yourself out of the gutter where you live... Roll Eyes

Thank you bwian... proof of more flaming and insults from the YOU...TROLL.

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Reply #112 - Feb 14^th, 2017 at 3:12pm

Frank wrote on Feb 11^th, 2017 at 6:35pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 11^th, 2017 at 4:43pm:

I actually embrace and defend my own culture - Australian culture quite well. I don't make a song and dance about it but then, why should I have to, with a quiet pride in what I am and where I come from? I don't need to prove to the world how much better off I am being an Australian...

You actually don't embrace or defend it. If there is a tension between Australian and other cultures, you embrace and defend every other culture against Australian values, careful not to seem attached to your own or, god forbid, acknowledge its achievements and the reasons why you might have embraced it, were you to do so.

You play the 'I am Australian' card but you certainly do not stand for its culture, history.

I say, you do mean Danish culture and history, no?

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Grendel Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 28080 Gender:	Re: Immigrants Do Not Increase Crime Reply #113 - Feb 14^th, 2017 at 3:58pm Now one more time just for a good old laugh. Immigrants do not increase Crime Just defies logic doesn't it.... not to mention statistics... crime statistics.
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Grendel Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 28080 Gender:	Re: Immigrants Do Not Increase Crime Reply #114 - Feb 14^th, 2017 at 4:00pm Quote: The 2013 report notes that "immigrants accounted for almost 23 percent of the criminal charges although they represented only 6‐7 percent of the resident population" in 2010. According to 2007 data, the crime rate of legal immigrants was 1.23-1.4% whereas the crime rate was 0.75% for native Italians.
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Grendel Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 28080 Gender:	Re: Immigrants Do Not Increase Crime Reply #115 - Feb 14^th, 2017 at 4:02pm Quote: According to a 1997 news report, a large portion of crimes by immigrants are by Chinese in Japan, and some highly publicized crimes by organized groups of Chinese (often with help of Japanese organized crime) have led to a negative public perception of immigrants
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Reply #116 - Feb 14^th, 2017 at 4:04pm

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A report by Statistics Denmark released in December 2015 found that 83% of crimes are committed by individuals of Danish origin (88.4% of the total population), 3% by those of non-Danish Western descent and 14% by individuals of non-Western descent.

Male Lebanese immigrants and their descendants, a big part of them being of Palestinian descent,[50] have, at 257, the highest crime-index among the studied groups, which translates to crime rates 150% higher than the country's average. The index is standardized by both age and socioeconomic status. Men of Yugoslav origin and men originating in Turkey, Pakistan, Somalia and Morocco are associated with high crime-indexes, ranging between 187 and 205, which translate to crime rates about double the country's average.

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Reply #117 - Feb 14^th, 2017 at 4:10pm

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According to a 2009 report commissioned by Justice Minister Ernst Hirsch Ballin, 63% of the 447 teenagers convicted of serious crime are children of parents born outside the Netherlands. All these cases concern crime for which the maximum jail sentence is longer than eight years, such as robbery with violence, extortion, arson, public acts of violence, sexual assault, manslaughter and murder. The ethnic composition of the perpetrators was: native Dutch - 37%; Moroccans - 14%; Unknown origin - 14%; "other non-Westerners" - 9%; Turkish - 8%; Surinamese - 7%; Antillean - 7%; and "other Westerners" - 4%.[77] In the majority of cases, the judges did not consider the serious offences to be grave enough to necessitate an unconditional jail sentence.[77]

Analysis of police data for 2002 by ethnicity showed that 37.5 percent of all crime suspects living in the Netherlands were of foreign origin (including those of the second generation), almost twice as high as the share of immigrants in the Dutch population. The highest rates per capita were found among first and second generation male migrants of a non‐Western background. Of native male youths between the ages of 18 and 24, in 2002 2.2% were arrested, of all immigrant males of the same age 4.4%, of second generation non-Western males 6.4%. The crime rates for so‐called ‘Western migrants’ were very close to those of the native Dutch. In all groups, the rates for women were considerably lower than for men, lower than one percent, with the highest found among second generation non‐western migrants, 0.9% (Blom et al. 2005: 31)

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Grendel Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 28080 Gender:	Re: Immigrants Do Not Increase Crime Reply #118 - Feb 14^th, 2017 at 4:12pm Quote: A 2011 report by Statistics Norway found that immigrants are overrepresented in crime statistics but that there is substantial variation by country of origin.
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Reply #119 - Feb 14^th, 2017 at 4:14pm

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A 2008 study finds that the rates of crimes committed by immigrants are substantially higher than nationals

Spanish National Statistics Institute (INE) published a study that analyzes records in the Register of Convicted in 2008. The data show that immigrants are overrepresented in the crime statistics: 70% of all crimes were committed by Spaniards and 30% by foreigners.[85] Foreigners make up 15% of the population.

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