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Re: Immigrants Do Not Increase Crime
Reply #135 - Feb 15^th, 2017 at 9:56am

Grendel wrote on Feb 14^th, 2017 at 4:29pm:

I note.....
that it does not matter one jot if immigrants are found guilty of crime at a lesser rate of indigenous in this topic... which made the absurd claim that Immigrants do not increase crime....

Take away all those crimes by immigrants
(Or take away the immigrants)and you get what?

Less Crime.

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Re: Immigrants Do Not Increase Crime
Reply #136 - Feb 15^th, 2017 at 6:30pm

Grendel wrote on Feb 15^th, 2017 at 9:07am:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 14^th, 2017 at 7:24pm:

Grendel wrote on Feb 14^th, 2017 at 6:29pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 14^th, 2017 at 5:20pm:

Grendel wrote on Feb 14^th, 2017 at 10:15am:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 13^th, 2017 at 6:53pm:

Grendel wrote on Feb 13^th, 2017 at 6:34pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 13^th, 2017 at 3:57pm:

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Critique any culture/society/group you desire to Grendel - just don't be insulting to them or your critics. All you do is lower yourself continually to your schoolground level of bully-boy insults and ad hominem debate. When you face up to that and relinquish it, then we might be able to have a conversation. Roll Eyes

Really bwian I think you will find your constant ad hom and flaming requires a response... perhaps you should just stop being a dishonest hypocrite...
You run from debate you hide when you lose.
Best you keep hiding behind your YAWN eh.

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Oh, dear, tsk, tsk, Geoff, you need to raise yourself out of the gutter where you live... Roll Eyes

Thank you bwian... proof of more flaming and insults from the YOU...TROLL.

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Poor, poor, Geoff. Just cannot handle the criticism, it seems. He obviously wants us to all march in lockstep to his tune, on his single drum, drumming a message of hatred and intolerance and persecution. Tsk, tsk. Roll Eyes

YOU NEED TO STOP LYING ABOUT ME BWIAN... LONG PAST A VISIT TO A SHRINK NEEDED FOR YOU SUNSHINE.

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If I have lied about your comments, Geoff, prove I have lied. Quote to us where you have identified and condemned racism/Xenophobia/Islamophobia. Quote to us where you have identified and condemned racial discrimination/hatred/etc.

If you do, I will unreservedly apologise to you.

If you don't, then I expect you will unreservedly apologise to me.

Simples, really. Until you present your evidence, run along. Roll Eyes

I already have and you never do... you are a dishonest hypocrite of the worst kind bwian

I note no apologies yet. Tsk, tsk. Such a little man.

When you present an argument worth my taking notice of it, Geoff, I shall, you can be assured. Run along little man, run along. Roll Eyes

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Re: Immigrants Do Not Increase Crime
Reply #137 - Feb 15^th, 2017 at 6:31pm

Grendel wrote on Feb 15^th, 2017 at 9:15am:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 14^th, 2017 at 10:39pm:

Grendel wrote on Feb 14^th, 2017 at 9:37pm:

yes bwian didn't you start the topic.
Didn't you create the topic? hmmmmm
IMMIGRANTS DO NOT INCREASE CRIME
Grin

That statement bwian...

Oh and bwian apart from the yawns you have made it abundantly clear what your opinion is otherwise you really do need to see a shrink.

Of course if you agree with me the fact you keep disagreeing with me and playing the man and not the issues would suggest you are a total psycho. Cheesy

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Geoff, I provided a link to an article I felt was interesting. You reacted and continue to react to justify your Xenophobia.

I REPLIED bwian, if you don't like replies don't post. One is not xenophobic because they disagree with you one is not racist because they disagree with you. You think its fine to call me and others a xenophobe a racist a loon etc, etc, etc... then pretend you are a innocent when you flame everyone everyday. Where is my unreserved apology you just promised bwian? LIAR!!!

Simples really. You scream and shout your ad hominem all across the screen and then you get upset when I indicate that I find the whole thing rather tiresome.

I don't scream and shout bwian... you probably need to see a shrink about that text is a silent media.... you mean I highlight and emphasise don't you, then stop the emotive claptrap and address the issues instead of flaming me and posting dumb looking yawns instead of replying like and intelligent person to posts. As for ad hom.... pot kettle black bwian... you taught me all I know.

Tough.

No bwian its tough for you apparently too tough for you to give a courteous answer.

When you grow up and stop rolling in the gutter, we might have a discussion.

There is no gutter to roll in bwian so again I suggest you stop the insults and flaming you say you never partake in. You are simply a liar and a hypocrite, the proof is all over the site.

Until then, enjoy your mud bath.

Ah yes more stupidity and more flaming...

Here we have one more bundle of proof of the continuous endless trolling of the site hypocrite brian ross... the holier than thou Dr of Divinity...

When you present an argument worth my taking notice of it, Geoff, I shall, you can be assured. Run along little man, run along. Roll Eyes

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Re: Immigrants Do Not Increase Crime
Reply #138 - Feb 15^th, 2017 at 6:33pm

Grendel wrote on Feb 15^th, 2017 at 9:56am:

Grendel wrote on Feb 14^th, 2017 at 4:29pm:

I note.....
that it does not matter one jot if immigrants are found guilty of crime at a lesser rate of indigenous in this topic... which made the absurd claim that Immigrants do not increase crime....

Take away all those crimes by immigrants
(Or take away the immigrants)and you get what?

Less Crime.

So, no crime occurred amongst the native-born, Geoff? Really? Tsk, tsk... Talk about Xenophobia... Roll Eyes

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Re: Immigrants Do Not Increase Crime
Reply #139 - Feb 15^th, 2017 at 6:37pm

BigOl64 wrote on Feb 15^th, 2017 at 9:19am:

Why are their immigrants so special as far as committing hardly any crimes and how are the mexican, cuban, dominican, south american crime gangs explained away?

An interesting question, Bigol64. Have you read the article with an open mind? Personally, I have no idea about how they "explain away" anything. Perhaps you'd care to educate us?

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Muslim immigration has been an absolute disaster for any country stupid enough to let them in, but not the US.

Mexican drug cartels use mexican immigrants to sell drugs and viciously maintain 'market share' and yet are not considered as criminals of any note.

You can see how your report does not look like it would hold up to scrutiny.

Perhaps you need to read it? What evidence do you have that "Mexican immigrants" are used to "sell drugs and viciously maintain market share"? Remember, the article was talking about Legal Migrants, not illegal ones... Roll Eyes

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Re: Immigrants Do Not Increase Crime
Reply #140 - Feb 15^th, 2017 at 10:17pm

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 11^th, 2017 at 10:59pm:

Secret Wars wrote on Feb 11^th, 2017 at 6:56pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 11^th, 2017 at 6:44pm:

Secret Wars wrote on Feb 11^th, 2017 at 6:14pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 11^th, 2017 at 4:43pm:

I actually embrace and defend my own culture - Australian culture quite well.
...

I don't need to prove to the world how much better off I am being an Australian...

Define Australian culture.

Australian culture is a multiculture, made up of its different, diverse parts created by the inhabitants of Australia. Roll Eyes

Australian culture is a multiculture. Includes cliterctomies then? Throwing gays from buildings, in fact under your definition, anything goes, bit of suttee guvnor, all good, Brian defends it, it's all Australian culture innit.

So you cannot apologise or defend it if it happens over there, but you can apologise and defend it if it happens over here?

You are a wishy washy spineless apologist jellyfish.

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Australian Multiculturism protects the rights of the individual be they Gay, Lesbian, Transgender, Black, White or purple with pink spots. Your resort to ad hominem debate indicates you've lost the argument even before you've begun it, Secret Wars. Typical though. Roll Eyes

It's not Australian Multiculturalism, Brian, it's Australian law.
Rights are legal concepts, not cultural.

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Re: Immigrants Do Not Increase Crime
Reply #141 - Feb 15^th, 2017 at 10:23pm

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 15^th, 2017 at 6:33pm:

Grendel wrote on Feb 15^th, 2017 at 9:56am:

Grendel wrote on Feb 14^th, 2017 at 4:29pm:

I note.....
that it does not matter one jot if immigrants are found guilty of crime at a lesser rate of indigenous in this topic... which made the absurd claim that Immigrants do not increase crime....

Take away all those crimes by immigrants
(Or take away the immigrants)and you get what?

Less Crime.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/128170/2467911-yawn_20smiley.jpg

So, no crime occurred amongst the native-born, Geoff? Really? Tsk, tsk... Talk about Xenophobia... Roll Eyes

Oh dear you really do need a break don't you.
1/ Stop being a flaming Troll.
2/ Stop being a lying hypocrite.
3/ We are discussing the topic IMMIGRANTS DO NOT INCREASE CRIME bwian... indigenous population doesn't need to be counted... even though I have already mentioned them... Yes bwian you've done it again... both feet this time... I keep telling you... YOU NEED TO ACTUALLY READ WHAT OTHER PEOPLE SAY. Too busy playing silly buggers with large emoticons to avoid real debate. Cheesy

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Re: Immigrants Do Not Increase Crime
Reply #143 - Feb 15^th, 2017 at 10:34pm

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 11^th, 2017 at 6:44pm:

Secret Wars wrote on Feb 11^th, 2017 at 6:14pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 11^th, 2017 at 4:43pm:

I actually embrace and defend my own culture - Australian culture quite well.
...

I don't need to prove to the world how much better off I am being an Australian...

Define Australian culture.

Australian culture is a multiculture, made up of its different, diverse parts created by the inhabitants of Australia. Roll Eyes

That is the most fatuous,empty nonsense. It's the 1000 monkeys typing argument, supposedly coming up with a coherent text.

You cannot put diverse cultures, often hostile cultures, into one society without a core culture and value system. The story of Babel illustrates the fatuousness of multiculturalism. Confusing their languages is illustrative of confusing their identities and what they belong to.

You can't import all aspects of every other culture and they do not decide what is acceptable and right here.

The norms of Western culture - Australia's core culture that makes the toleration of quaint and sometimes even distasteful and backward foreigners possible - are under relentless attack from people whose own norms are often beyond the pale and who will shriek 'phobia' should anyone question their own cultural norms, let alone attack them as unacceptable.

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Re: Immigrants Do Not Increase Crime
Reply #144 - Feb 15^th, 2017 at 10:43pm

Frank wrote on Feb 15^th, 2017 at 10:17pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 11^th, 2017 at 10:59pm:

Secret Wars wrote on Feb 11^th, 2017 at 6:56pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 11^th, 2017 at 6:44pm:

Secret Wars wrote on Feb 11^th, 2017 at 6:14pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 11^th, 2017 at 4:43pm:

I actually embrace and defend my own culture - Australian culture quite well.
...

I don't need to prove to the world how much better off I am being an Australian...

Define Australian culture.

Australian culture is a multiculture, made up of its different, diverse parts created by the inhabitants of Australia. Roll Eyes

Australian culture is a multiculture. Includes cliterctomies then? Throwing gays from buildings, in fact under your definition, anything goes, bit of suttee guvnor, all good, Brian defends it, it's all Australian culture innit.

So you cannot apologise or defend it if it happens over there, but you can apologise and defend it if it happens over here?

You are a wishy washy spineless apologist jellyfish.

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Australian Multiculturism protects the rights of the individual be they Gay, Lesbian, Transgender, Black, White or purple with pink spots. Your resort to ad hominem debate indicates you've lost the argument even before you've begun it, Secret Wars. Typical though. Roll Eyes

It's not Australian Multiculturalism, Brian, it's Australian law.
Rights are legal concepts, not cultural.

Soren, Soren, must you really be this tiresome all the time in you Islamophobia? It's embarrassing for me to read it I can't imagine what it must be like to think it. Tsk, tsk. Roll Eyes

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Re: Immigrants Do Not Increase Crime
Reply #145 - Feb 15^th, 2017 at 10:48pm

Frank wrote on Feb 15^th, 2017 at 10:34pm:

That is the most fatuous,empty nonsense. It's the 1000 monkeys typing argument, supposedly coming up with a coherent text.

You cannot put diverse cultures, often hostile cultures, into one society without a core culture and value system. The story of Babel illustrates the fatuousness of multiculturalism. Confusing their languages is illustrative of confusing their identities and what they belong to.

So, you believe the myths of The Bible, do you, Soren? Such a shame. Afterall, you've been maintaining your secular stance so well up till now. Tsk, tsk. Roll Eyes

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You can't import all aspects of every other culture and they do not decide what is acceptable and right here.

The norms of Western culture - Australia's core culture that makes the toleration of quaint and sometimes even distasteful and backward foreigners possible - are under relentless attack from people whose own norms are often beyond the pale and who will shriek 'phobia' should anyone question their own cultural norms, let alone attack them as unacceptable.

I think you have forgotten that when migrants come to Australia, they come with a clear understanding that their own culture, must be practised within the standing legal system of Australia. At no point have I suggested otherwise. As full citizens though, they have the right to vote and to stand for Parliament and to change the legal system if they desire. A right I suspect you hate the idea of, while reserving it to yourself. Funny that, hey, Soren.

Now run along, you're Xenophobia is boring the poo out of me and the other readers. Tsk, tsk. Roll Eyes

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Re: Immigrants Do Not Increase Crime
Reply #146 - Feb 15^th, 2017 at 10:50pm

Grendel wrote on Feb 15^th, 2017 at 10:23pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 15^th, 2017 at 6:33pm:

Grendel wrote on Feb 15^th, 2017 at 9:56am:

Grendel wrote on Feb 14^th, 2017 at 4:29pm:

I note.....
that it does not matter one jot if immigrants are found guilty of crime at a lesser rate of indigenous in this topic... which made the absurd claim that Immigrants do not increase crime....

Take away all those crimes by immigrants
(Or take away the immigrants)and you get what?

Less Crime.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/128170/2467911-yawn_20smiley.jpg

So, no crime occurred amongst the native-born, Geoff? Really? Tsk, tsk... Talk about Xenophobia... Roll Eyes

Oh dear you really do need a break don't you.
1/ Stop being a flaming Troll.
2/ Stop being a lying hypocrite.
3/ We are discussing the topic IMMIGRANTS DO NOT INCREASE CRIME bwian... indigenous population doesn't need to be counted... even though I have already mentioned them... Yes bwian you've done it again... both feet this time... I keep telling you... YOU NEED TO ACTUALLY READ WHAT OTHER PEOPLE SAY. Too busy playing silly buggers with large emoticons to avoid real debate. Cheesy

Address the article, Geoff or run along. You're getting tiresome in your Xenophobia and bigotry. Boring as all hell, actually. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

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Reply #147 - Feb 16^th, 2017 at 5:22am

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 15^th, 2017 at 6:37pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Feb 15^th, 2017 at 9:19am:

Why are their immigrants so special as far as committing hardly any crimes and how are the mexican, cuban, dominican, south american crime gangs explained away?

An interesting question, Bigol64. Have you read the article with an open mind? Personally, I have no idea about how they "explain away" anything. Perhaps you'd care to educate us?

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Muslim immigration has been an absolute disaster for any country stupid enough to let them in, but not the US.

Mexican drug cartels use mexican immigrants to sell drugs and viciously maintain 'market share' and yet are not considered as criminals of any note.

You can see how your report does not look like it would hold up to scrutiny.

Perhaps you need to read it? What evidence do you have that "Mexican immigrants" are used to "sell drugs and viciously maintain market share"? Remember, the article was talking about Legal Migrants, not illegal ones... Roll Eyes

If you know anything about the criminal gang MS-13 you would know it was founded in the USA by recent immigrants / refugees from el salvador.

Any of the cartels from mexico have immigrants and non-immigrants on their pay roll.

Im just wondering how they differentiated the 2 in their report. It seems they just attributed all crimes to non - immigrants and let it be.

But like you say this is the US and has nothing to do with how it works in Australia.

The mussies immigrants from the ME and africa are some of the worst criminal scum this country has ever seen and due to bullsh1t political correctness no-one says or does anything of any value

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Reply #148 - Feb 16^th, 2017 at 6:10am

If immigrants don't increase crime then why did Canberra stop the prisons system from recording the ethnic background of their inmates?

Answer: Canberra succumbed to ethnic lobby groups who said that such disclosure would only serve to prejudice the broader community against certain immigrant ethnicities.

That is, keep the Australian public in ignorance of the over-representation of certain ethnics in our jails and juvenile detention centres.

Muslim Turks
Muslim Lebanese
Pacific Islanders
Black Africans
South East Asians
Aborigines

... in other words, The Usual Suspects.

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Reply #149 - Feb 16^th, 2017 at 8:14am

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 15^th, 2017 at 10:50pm:

Grendel wrote on Feb 15^th, 2017 at 10:23pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 15^th, 2017 at 6:33pm:

Grendel wrote on Feb 15^th, 2017 at 9:56am:

Grendel wrote on Feb 14^th, 2017 at 4:29pm:

I note.....
that it does not matter one jot if immigrants are found guilty of crime at a lesser rate of indigenous in this topic... which made the absurd claim that Immigrants do not increase crime....

Take away all those crimes by immigrants
(Or take away the immigrants)and you get what?

Less Crime.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/128170/2467911-yawn_20smiley.jpg

So, no crime occurred amongst the native-born, Geoff? Really? Tsk, tsk... Talk about Xenophobia... Roll Eyes

Oh dear you really do need a break don't you.
1/ Stop being a flaming Troll.
2/ Stop being a lying hypocrite.
3/ We are discussing the topic IMMIGRANTS DO NOT INCREASE CRIME bwian... indigenous population doesn't need to be counted... even though I have already mentioned them... Yes bwian you've done it again... both feet this time... I keep telling you... YOU NEED TO ACTUALLY READ WHAT OTHER PEOPLE SAY. Too busy playing silly buggers with large emoticons to avoid real debate. Cheesy

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Address the article, Geoff or run along. You're getting tiresome in your Xenophobia and bigotry. Boring as all hell, actually. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

Ah yes bwian being a lying hypocrite once more... how many strawmen must you keep building bwian? 100, 1000, 10,000?
Doesn't matter you will never be right and never be more than the lying hypocrite you are.
You really do need to stop posting those lies about me bwian... you just waste my time by having to publicly deny them.
I have addressed the article bwian many times and many times your stupidity is shot down in flames.
How many posts have you created that I have had to reply to because of your lies and hypocrisy that have nothing to do with the topic... 100s... yet you still persist in wasting my and everyone elses time.
Isn't it time you simply conceded you are wrong.

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