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Re: Immigrants Do Not Increase Crime
Reply #150 - Feb 16^th, 2017 at 5:53pm

Grendel wrote on Feb 16^th, 2017 at 8:14am:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 15^th, 2017 at 10:50pm:

Grendel wrote on Feb 15^th, 2017 at 10:23pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 15^th, 2017 at 6:33pm:

Grendel wrote on Feb 15^th, 2017 at 9:56am:

Grendel wrote on Feb 14^th, 2017 at 4:29pm:

I note.....
that it does not matter one jot if immigrants are found guilty of crime at a lesser rate of indigenous in this topic... which made the absurd claim that Immigrants do not increase crime....

Take away all those crimes by immigrants
(Or take away the immigrants)and you get what?

Less Crime.

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So, no crime occurred amongst the native-born, Geoff? Really? Tsk, tsk... Talk about Xenophobia... Roll Eyes

Oh dear you really do need a break don't you.
1/ Stop being a flaming Troll.
2/ Stop being a lying hypocrite.
3/ We are discussing the topic IMMIGRANTS DO NOT INCREASE CRIME bwian... indigenous population doesn't need to be counted... even though I have already mentioned them... Yes bwian you've done it again... both feet this time... I keep telling you... YOU NEED TO ACTUALLY READ WHAT OTHER PEOPLE SAY. Too busy playing silly buggers with large emoticons to avoid real debate. Cheesy

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Address the article, Geoff or run along. You're getting tiresome in your Xenophobia and bigotry. Boring as all hell, actually. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

Ah yes bwian being a lying hypocrite once more... how many strawmen must you keep building bwian? 100, 1000, 10,000?
Doesn't matter you will never be right and never be more than the lying hypocrite you are.
You really do need to stop posting those lies about me bwian... you just waste my time by having to publicly deny them.
I have addressed the article bwian many times and many times your stupidity is shot down in flames.
How many posts have you created that I have had to reply to because of your lies and hypocrisy that have nothing to do with the topic... 100s... yet you still persist in wasting my and everyone elses time.
Isn't it time you simply conceded you are wrong.

Use of ad hominem debate =/= to a proper argument, Geoff. Tsk, tsk. Roll Eyes

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Re: Immigrants Do Not Increase Crime
Reply #151 - Feb 16^th, 2017 at 5:58pm

Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 16^th, 2017 at 6:10am:

If immigrants don't increase crime then why did Canberra stop the prisons system from recording the ethnic background of their inmates?

Answer: Canberra succumbed to ethnic lobby groups who said that such disclosure would only serve to prejudice the broader community against certain immigrant ethnicities.

That is, keep the Australian public in ignorance of the over-representation of certain ethnics in our jails and juvenile detention centres.

Oh, poor, poor, Herbie. Still banging on your Racism/Xenophobia/Islamophobic drum?

The reason why the Government stopped recording the "ethnicities" of inmates was 'cause their records were high suspect and subjective. They were not based on the ancestry of the inmates but on what the prison officers believed about the inmates. So, they were as usual, unfair and immaterial. "Ethnicity" like "Race" is a social construct, Herbie. We are all human beings, members of the species Homo Sapien Sapiens - the human race, the only race that ultimately matters. We are all, according to one highly influential set of theories, descended from Africans, so your racism and Xenophobia are pointless really. You're rattling on about your brothers and sisters, not some alien species. Tsk, tsk, Roll Eyes

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Re: Immigrants Do Not Increase Crime
Reply #152 - Feb 16^th, 2017 at 6:00pm

BigOl64 wrote on Feb 16^th, 2017 at 5:22am:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 15^th, 2017 at 6:37pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Feb 15^th, 2017 at 9:19am:

Why are their immigrants so special as far as committing hardly any crimes and how are the mexican, cuban, dominican, south american crime gangs explained away?

An interesting question, Bigol64. Have you read the article with an open mind? Personally, I have no idea about how they "explain away" anything. Perhaps you'd care to educate us?

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Muslim immigration has been an absolute disaster for any country stupid enough to let them in, but not the US.

Mexican drug cartels use mexican immigrants to sell drugs and viciously maintain 'market share' and yet are not considered as criminals of any note.

You can see how your report does not look like it would hold up to scrutiny.

Perhaps you need to read it? What evidence do you have that "Mexican immigrants" are used to "sell drugs and viciously maintain market share"? Remember, the article was talking about Legal Migrants, not illegal ones... Roll Eyes

If you know anything about the criminal gang MS-13 you would know it was founded in the USA by recent immigrants / refugees from el salvador.

Any of the cartels from mexico have immigrants and non-immigrants on their pay roll.

Im just wondering how they differentiated the 2 in their report. It seems they just attributed all crimes to non - immigrants and let it be.

But like you say this is the US and has nothing to do with how it works in Australia.

The mussies immigrants from the ME and africa are some of the worst criminal scum this country has ever seen and due to bullsh1t political correctness no-one says or does anything of any value

More than likely your views, like that of most Xenophobes has a highly subjective viewpoint about who is a migrant and who isn't, Bigol64. I'd recommend tracking down the original academic paper the article was written from. It will make it all clear. If you're interested... Roll Eyes

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Re: Immigrants Do Not Increase Crime
Reply #153 - Feb 16^th, 2017 at 6:17pm

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 16^th, 2017 at 5:53pm:

Grendel wrote on Feb 16^th, 2017 at 8:14am:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 15^th, 2017 at 10:50pm:

Grendel wrote on Feb 15^th, 2017 at 10:23pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 15^th, 2017 at 6:33pm:

Grendel wrote on Feb 15^th, 2017 at 9:56am:

Grendel wrote on Feb 14^th, 2017 at 4:29pm:

I note.....
that it does not matter one jot if immigrants are found guilty of crime at a lesser rate of indigenous in this topic... which made the absurd claim that Immigrants do not increase crime....

Take away all those crimes by immigrants
(Or take away the immigrants)and you get what?

Less Crime.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/128170/2467911-yawn_20smiley.jpg

So, no crime occurred amongst the native-born, Geoff? Really? Tsk, tsk... Talk about Xenophobia... Roll Eyes

Oh dear you really do need a break don't you.
1/ Stop being a flaming Troll.
2/ Stop being a lying hypocrite.
3/ We are discussing the topic IMMIGRANTS DO NOT INCREASE CRIME bwian... indigenous population doesn't need to be counted... even though I have already mentioned them... Yes bwian you've done it again... both feet this time... I keep telling you... YOU NEED TO ACTUALLY READ WHAT OTHER PEOPLE SAY. Too busy playing silly buggers with large emoticons to avoid real debate. Cheesy

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Address the article, Geoff or run along. You're getting tiresome in your Xenophobia and bigotry. Boring as all hell, actually. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

Ah yes bwian being a lying hypocrite once more... how many strawmen must you keep building bwian? 100, 1000, 10,000?
Doesn't matter you will never be right and never be more than the lying hypocrite you are.
You really do need to stop posting those lies about me bwian... you just waste my time by having to publicly deny them.
I have addressed the article bwian many times and many times your stupidity is shot down in flames.
How many posts have you created that I have had to reply to because of your lies and hypocrisy that have nothing to do with the topic... 100s... yet you still persist in wasting my and everyone elses time.
Isn't it time you simply conceded you are wrong.

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Use of ad hominem debate =/= to a proper argument, Geoff. Tsk, tsk. Roll Eyes

But bwian how can that be when all I'm doing continually here these days is answering your lies and hypocrisy... call it ad hom I do... Cheesy

I call it lies and hypocrisy too... Grin

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Re: Immigrants Do Not Increase Crime
Reply #154 - Feb 16^th, 2017 at 6:21pm

Grendel wrote on Feb 16^th, 2017 at 6:17pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 16^th, 2017 at 5:53pm:

Grendel wrote on Feb 16^th, 2017 at 8:14am:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 15^th, 2017 at 10:50pm:

Grendel wrote on Feb 15^th, 2017 at 10:23pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 15^th, 2017 at 6:33pm:

Grendel wrote on Feb 15^th, 2017 at 9:56am:

Grendel wrote on Feb 14^th, 2017 at 4:29pm:

I note.....
that it does not matter one jot if immigrants are found guilty of crime at a lesser rate of indigenous in this topic... which made the absurd claim that Immigrants do not increase crime....

Take away all those crimes by immigrants
(Or take away the immigrants)and you get what?

Less Crime.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/128170/2467911-yawn_20smiley.jpg

So, no crime occurred amongst the native-born, Geoff? Really? Tsk, tsk... Talk about Xenophobia... Roll Eyes

Oh dear you really do need a break don't you.
1/ Stop being a flaming Troll.
2/ Stop being a lying hypocrite.
3/ We are discussing the topic IMMIGRANTS DO NOT INCREASE CRIME bwian... indigenous population doesn't need to be counted... even though I have already mentioned them... Yes bwian you've done it again... both feet this time... I keep telling you... YOU NEED TO ACTUALLY READ WHAT OTHER PEOPLE SAY. Too busy playing silly buggers with large emoticons to avoid real debate. Cheesy

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/128170/2467911-yawn_20smiley.jpg

Address the article, Geoff or run along. You're getting tiresome in your Xenophobia and bigotry. Boring as all hell, actually. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

Ah yes bwian being a lying hypocrite once more... how many strawmen must you keep building bwian? 100, 1000, 10,000?
Doesn't matter you will never be right and never be more than the lying hypocrite you are.
You really do need to stop posting those lies about me bwian... you just waste my time by having to publicly deny them.
I have addressed the article bwian many times and many times your stupidity is shot down in flames.
How many posts have you created that I have had to reply to because of your lies and hypocrisy that have nothing to do with the topic... 100s... yet you still persist in wasting my and everyone elses time.
Isn't it time you simply conceded you are wrong.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/128170/2467911-yawn_20smiley.jpg

Use of ad hominem debate =/= to a proper argument, Geoff. Tsk, tsk. Roll Eyes

But bwian how can that be when all I'm doing continually here these days is answering your lies and hypocrisy... call it ad hom I do... Cheesy

I call it lies and hypocrisy too... Grin

Dear oh, dearie, me. Tsk, tsk. More ad hominem, Geoff? Is that all you have left? Tsk, tsk. Roll Eyes

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Grendel Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 28080 Gender:	Re: Immigrants Do Not Increase Crime Reply #155 - Feb 16^th, 2017 at 6:24pm YAWN bwian...
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Brian Ross Gold Member Offline Representative of me Posts: 40938	Re: Immigrants Do Not Increase Crime Reply #156 - Feb 16^th, 2017 at 6:26pm Grendel wrote on Feb 16^th, 2017 at 6:24pm: YAWN bwian... Still childishly shouting, Geoff? Tsk, tsk.
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Grendel Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 28080 Gender:	Re: Immigrants Do Not Increase Crime Reply #157 - Feb 17^th, 2017 at 8:26am Oh dear...
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Grendel Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 28080 Gender:	Re: Immigrants Do Not Increase Crime Reply #159 - Feb 17^th, 2017 at 7:35pm Not even any originality eh bwian... No argument... know nothing.
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Brian Ross Gold Member Offline Representative of me Posts: 40938	Re: Immigrants Do Not Increase Crime Reply #160 - Feb 18^th, 2017 at 12:50am Grendel wrote on Feb 17^th, 2017 at 7:35pm: Not even any originality eh bwian... No argument... know nothing. Oh dear...
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Re: Immigrants Do Not Increase Crime
Reply #161 - Feb 18^th, 2017 at 5:25am

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 16^th, 2017 at 6:00pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Feb 16^th, 2017 at 5:22am:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 15^th, 2017 at 6:37pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Feb 15^th, 2017 at 9:19am:

Why are their immigrants so special as far as committing hardly any crimes and how are the mexican, cuban, dominican, south american crime gangs explained away?

An interesting question, Bigol64. Have you read the article with an open mind? Personally, I have no idea about how they "explain away" anything. Perhaps you'd care to educate us?

Quote:

Muslim immigration has been an absolute disaster for any country stupid enough to let them in, but not the US.

Mexican drug cartels use mexican immigrants to sell drugs and viciously maintain 'market share' and yet are not considered as criminals of any note.

You can see how your report does not look like it would hold up to scrutiny.

Perhaps you need to read it? What evidence do you have that "Mexican immigrants" are used to "sell drugs and viciously maintain market share"? Remember, the article was talking about Legal Migrants, not illegal ones... Roll Eyes

If you know anything about the criminal gang MS-13 you would know it was founded in the USA by recent immigrants / refugees from el salvador.

Any of the cartels from mexico have immigrants and non-immigrants on their pay roll.

Im just wondering how they differentiated the 2 in their report. It seems they just attributed all crimes to non - immigrants and let it be.

But like you say this is the US and has nothing to do with how it works in Australia.

The mussies immigrants from the ME and africa are some of the worst criminal scum this country has ever seen and due to bullsh1t political correctness no-one says or does anything of any value

More than likely your views, like that of most Xenophobes has a highly subjective viewpoint about who is a migrant and who isn't, Bigol64. I'd recommend tracking down the original academic paper the article was written from. It will make it all clear. If you're interested... Roll Eyes

Im sure it does; still not applicable to the mussie immigrant scum we have in Australia is it.

As you pointed out it only happens in the USA, where as in the rest of the world the mussies very much increase the crime rate of what ever country they infest.

Europe is a classic example of what not to do with muslim scum.

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Re: Immigrants Do Not Increase Crime
Reply #162 - Feb 18^th, 2017 at 9:37pm

BigOl64 wrote on Feb 18^th, 2017 at 5:25am:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 16^th, 2017 at 6:00pm:

More than likely your views, like that of most Xenophobes has a highly subjective viewpoint about who is a migrant and who isn't, Bigol64. I'd recommend tracking down the original academic paper the article was written from. It will make it all clear. If you're interested... Roll Eyes

Im sure it does; still not applicable to the mussie immigrant scum we have in Australia is it.

Who are the people you describe as "mussie immigrant scum", Bigol64 and what relevance do they have to a paper written about the American experience of immigration?

Are they ALL Muslims or are they just SOME Muslims?

What is that makes them "immigrant scum"? Your perception or is there some actual scale on which you measure "scumminess"? If it is just your perception, why should we listen to what appears to be a purely subjective viewpoint? You haven't told us what you perceive as "scummy" and what isn't. Until you answer those sorts of question, I think we'll just have to write you off as another Xenophobe who feels that prejudice should replace rationality. Tsk, tsk. Roll Eyes

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As you pointed out it only happens in the USA, where as in the rest of the world the mussies very much increase the crime rate of what ever country they infest.

Another subjective viewpoint? How about you produce some statistic evidence to back your claim... Roll Eyes

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Europe is a classic example of what not to do with muslim scum.

Isn't it? You mean like the false news claims that appear to colour your perceptions about the issue of Immigration? Tsk. tsk. Roll Eyes

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Re: Immigrants Do Not Increase Crime
Reply #163 - Feb 19^th, 2017 at 9:54am

Well we know many "muslim scum" bwian. Don't you? The Skaf brothers and their rapist friends just for some. We know that under Fraser the Lebanese intake imported many criminals into the country. BTW the topic is immigrants and crime not just Muslims isn't it and you've already been proven wrong on this topic.

No one needs to post more facts bwian... you ignore them all anyway.

Stop wasting everyone's time. Cheesy

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Re: Immigrants Do Not Increase Crime
Reply #164 - Feb 19^th, 2017 at 2:33pm

Grendel wrote on Feb 19^th, 2017 at 9:54am:

Well we know many "muslim scum" bwian. Don't you? The Skaf brothers and their rapist friends just for some. We know that under Fraser the Lebanese intake imported many criminals into the country. BTW the topic is immigrants and crime not just Muslims isn't it and you've already been proven wrong on this topic.

No one needs to post more facts bwian... you ignore them all anyway.

Stop wasting everyone's time. Cheesy

Oh, dearie, dearie me... Roll Eyes

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