Frank wrote on Feb 11
th, 2017 at 6:35pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Feb 11
th, 2017 at 4:43pm:
I actually embrace and defend my own culture - Australian culture quite well. I don't make a song and dance about it but then, why should I have to, with a quiet pride in what I am and where I come from? I don't need to prove to the world how much better off I am being an Australian...
You actually don't embrace or defend it. If there is a tension between Australian and other cultures, you embrace and defend every other culture against Australian values, careful not to seem attached to your own or, god forbid, acknowledge its achievements and the reasons why you might have embraced it, were you to do so.
Wrong, Soren. I embrace it all, the good, the bad and unfortunately, the ugly. Where it needs defending, I defend it, where it needs to be criticised, I criticise it. I do not believe in only loving something without recognising it's faults and it's failures. Unlike yourself, of course. You have adopted all the failings and faults of Australian culture without recognising them for what they were. The over-weaning pride, the racism, the Xenophobia, the Islamophobia. You love it all, don't you, yet you won't acknowledge the massive contribution that migrants have made to create the Australian culture and society of today. Tsk. tsk.
Quote:You play the 'I am Australian' card but you certainly do not stand for its culture, history. You think fair go means letting everyone claim to be better and letting everyone have a grievance against your own culture, despite every evidence to the contrary.
Tsk, tsk, Soren, I am Australian. I was born here, were you? I understand not. That doesn't stop you from becoming an Australian but what means is that you must learn what is to be an Australian, to look out for your mates and neighbours, to look after each other when the chips are down. I suspect you'd turn away a helping hand if it belonged to a Muslim or a Black or another migrant. Being Australian is being better than everybody else, being more humane, being above the hurly-burly of everyday existence and looking back and seeing where all the mistakes are made and correcting them.
Quote:You are of the 'bend over and pull 'em apart' brigade, Brian and you think, despicably, that you are thereby an Australian.
You are not. There are people like you in every Western country. You promote the degradation and destruction of Western values in the name of your 'tolerant Western values' - and so you cause Brexit, Trump, the end of the EU generally and a return to extreme vetting in all things.
No, Soren, it is your sort that has caused all those things with your promotion of intolerance, racism, Xenophobia, Islamophobia and hatred of anybody who is different, who does not fit into your straitjacketed view of how they should look or act. I have many Australian friends who are recent migrants, who have a better understanding of how to be an Australian than you do. You shame other migrants with your narrow-minded hatreds.
Quote:You little bleeders have been overplaying your hands and the world is turning.
And yet still Trump did not win the majority vote in the election that put him in the Oval Office. Brexit was rejected in Scotland and Northern Ireland. Hansomism is rejected by the majority of Australian voters and always will be. The world may be turning in your view, Soren but from my viewpoint, it's just swinging back and forth, each swing becoming more definite than the last. Your lot will see the end of the West as it was, not mine.
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