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Frank Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 44676 Gender:	Re: Immigrants Do Not Increase Crime Reply #90 - Feb 12^th, 2017 at 6:51pm Brian Ross wrote on Feb 12^th, 2017 at 4:15pm: I remember you used to think the sun shone out of Pauline Hanson's arse, Geoff. Looks like it actually does, in QLD; One Nation support in Queensland leaps from 16% to 23%, poll shows Dismiss her support at your peril.
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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 74257 Gender:	Re: Immigrants Do Not Increase Crime Reply #91 - Feb 12^th, 2017 at 7:37pm Grendel wrote on Feb 12^th, 2017 at 6:44pm: Nope... never have you have a faulty memory or are lying your arse off again. nope, he was correct the first time .... Are you becoming disillusioned again goose?
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Sprintcyclist Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 40701 Gender:	Re: Immigrants Do Not Increase Crime Reply #92 - Feb 12^th, 2017 at 7:40pm Illegals do.
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Grendel Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 28080 Gender:	Re: Immigrants Do Not Increase Crime Reply #93 - Feb 12^th, 2017 at 8:08pm John Smith wrote on Feb 12^th, 2017 at 7:37pm: Grendel wrote on Feb 12^th, 2017 at 6:44pm: Nope... never have you have a faulty memory or are lying your arse off again. nope, he was correct the first time .... Are you becoming disillusioned again goose? Stalk someone who cares TROLL...
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Reply #94 - Feb 12^th, 2017 at 8:15pm

Grendel wrote on Feb 12^th, 2017 at 6:39pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 12^th, 2017 at 4:13pm:

Grendel wrote on Feb 12^th, 2017 at 9:06am:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 11^th, 2017 at 11:01pm:

Grendel wrote on Feb 11^th, 2017 at 8:14pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 11^th, 2017 at 6:44pm:

Secret Wars wrote on Feb 11^th, 2017 at 6:14pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 11^th, 2017 at 4:43pm:

I actually embrace and defend my own culture - Australian culture quite well.
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I don't need to prove to the world how much better off I am being an Australian...

Define Australian culture.

Australian culture is a multiculture, made up of its different, diverse parts created by the inhabitants of Australia. Roll Eyes

LOL.... bwian suffers from cultural cringe he doesn't believe Australia has a culture and I've never seen him defend it not even once in 15 years...

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Geoff refuses to accept reality, yet again. Australia is a Multicultural nation. QED. Roll Eyes

I'm not the one that thinks the Settlement Policy Multiculti protects gays bwian Grin

I disagree with the policy... you apparently think there is no Australian culture and you lie in order to defend the indefensible position you have taken. Cheesy

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Multiculturalism is more than just a "settlement programme", Geoff. Time to catch up with 21st century Australia. Tsk, tsk, tsk. Roll Eyes

Ah no bwian you are wrong again... Multiculturalism in Australia as referred to is the Government's settlement policy that replaced Integration and before that Assimilation. It is a flawed and failing policy.

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Reply #95 - Feb 12^th, 2017 at 8:16pm

Grendel wrote on Feb 12^th, 2017 at 6:44pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 12^th, 2017 at 4:15pm:

Grendel wrote on Feb 12^th, 2017 at 9:10am:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 11^th, 2017 at 11:02pm:

Grendel wrote on Feb 11^th, 2017 at 8:18pm:

So bwian posted another unsubstantiated load of twaddle to back up his need for diversity? Cheesy

He doesn't like it when some real facts are brought to bear. Roll Eyes

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Facts? Where? Tsk, tsk, Geoff as usual mistakes opinion for facts. No wonder "fake news" is his favourite kind... Roll Eyes

Pull the other one bwian... you've been lying from the first day I bumped into you. fake news? ha ha ha... fake everything with you bwian...
Everyone is poking holes in your latest stupid claim/belief... no wonder you are so deluded you read crap and believe it even when it is patently and logically wrong... you are just like Hanson Grin

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I remember you used to think the sun shone out of Pauline Hanson's arse, Geoff.

Nope... never have you have a faulty memory or are lying your arse off again.

You refused to accept that she was a Xenophobic racist.

You have yet to prove she is bwian... why would a xenophobic racist employ asians and then make one manager of her shop?

You fought tooth and nail against anything that showed her improper dealings with the AEC or any other person or peoples.

You continue to make biased baseless claims bwian. She was freed and her conviction quashed.

Funny how you've now changed your tune... Tsk, tsk, such a fair weather friend, aren't you? Roll Eyes

I've never changed my tune bwian, I still think you are an obsessive, biased, disingenuous, deluded individual.

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Reply #96 - Feb 12^th, 2017 at 8:55pm

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 11^th, 2017 at 11:05pm:

Frank wrote on Feb 11^th, 2017 at 8:43pm:

How is that different from multicultural Holland, Germany, England, Canada, etc?

All the same "multiculture"??

Nope. Canada's is closest, the others are no where near. Australian Multiculturalism is an active form, the others are passive forms. Roll Eyes

You are barking mad, pal. You are making up crap to suit your disorientation.

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Reply #97 - Feb 12^th, 2017 at 8:56pm

Frank wrote on Feb 12^th, 2017 at 8:55pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 11^th, 2017 at 11:05pm:

Frank wrote on Feb 11^th, 2017 at 8:43pm:

How is that different from multicultural Holland, Germany, England, Canada, etc?

All the same "multiculture"??

Nope. Canada's is closest, the others are no where near. Australian Multiculturalism is an active form, the others are passive forms. Roll Eyes

You are barking mad, pal. You are making up crap to suit your disorientation.

Nothing here to disprove my statement, merely opinion. Not even worth taking note of. Roll Eyes

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Reply #98 - Feb 13^th, 2017 at 8:49am

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Like a virus that takes hold of host cells in the human body, multiculturalism’s self-loathing virus started invading Western societies more than 40 years ago. Like a form of cultural cancer, it has weakened our ability to defend our most fundamental values and, worse, it has meant the only culture open to critique and question is our own.

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Remember that multiculturalism was never a policy with broad support. Research by sociologist Katharine Betts reveals multiculturalism wasn’t even a story of ethnic agitators: it was largely trumpeted by a group of Anglo-Australian activists so small that “most of them could and did meet in one room”. Twenty years after Malcolm Fraser included multiculturalism in the Coalition platform, a poll by the Council of Multicultural Affairs found the rank-and-file supporter of multiculturalism was not the migrant but the well-educated Anglo-Australian living far way from migrant enclaves.

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In the 70s, multiculturalism was sold to the people as the tolerant, moral alternative to earlier evil policies of assimilation and integration. But assimilation and integration were not intolerant ideas. On the contrary, these policies invited migrants to Australia with the promise they, too, could become Australians and enjoy the values that made Australia the country of first choice for millions.

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The great multicultural con is that its proponents deliberately refused to define the term. They opted for feel-good ambiguity. So it meandered along meaning different things to different people. To some, it meant no more than promoting a culturally diverse society loyal to core institutions and core values. Meanwhile, a more virulent form took root, emphasising ethnic rights to be separate but equal, promoting cultural and moral relativism and identity politics where immigrants were no longer Australians, or even “new” Australians.

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Multiculturalism endorsed what Theodore Roosevelt called a hyphenated loyalty to country. SBS uses the phrase Muslim-Australians, not the other way around. That hyphenated loyalty has undermined an obligation on migrants to embrace a common set of values.

Worse, multiculturalism demanded that we tolerate the intolerant. To be sure, tolerance is a worthy goal. But it’s meaningful only when tempered with moral judgments about what is right and what is wrong. That is a debate we must all be able to be part of.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/opinion/columnists/janet-albrechtsen/multicultur...

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Reply #99 - Feb 13^th, 2017 at 9:23am

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Another lovely little nugget from the book is how the tactic of accusing critics and opponents of racism was established almost before multiculturalism itself as a term was. Then and since, multiculturalism has often provided examples of what might be called the motivational fallacy. In the case of multiculturalism, the fallacy works as follows: I advocate multiculturalism as a way of combating racism and prejudice, therefore, if you criticise multiculturalism you are guilty of racism and/or harbouring prejudice. This has a triple benefit as a mode of argument. It delegitimises critics and criticism, it elevates the mode of action or claim being defended and it establishes or reinforces that action or claim as a moral asset for its proponents.

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Multiculturalism was developed by a small number of academics, social workers and activists, initially located on the fringe of the political arena of immigration, settlement and welfare. The authors responsible for versions of the ideology were also principal actors in the struggle to advance their beliefs and make them government policy.

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Core groups and activists' sympathisers and contacts ... multiculturalism became government policy ... because the multiculturalists and their supporters were able to influence the ideological content of the Minister's sources of policy ... Contemporary public opinion polls implied ... in the general population, a widespread resentment, or a lack of interest, of the kinds of ideas advanced by multiculturalists. ... The original constituency for multiculturalism was small; popular opinion was an obstacle, not an asset, for the multiculturalists

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Reply #100 - Feb 13^th, 2017 at 3:57pm

Grendel wrote on Feb 13^th, 2017 at 8:49am:

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Like a virus that takes hold of host cells in the human body, multiculturalism’s self-loathing virus started invading Western societies more than 40 years ago. Like a form of cultural cancer, it has weakened our ability to defend our most fundamental values and, worse, it has meant the only culture open to critique and question is our own.

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Remember that multiculturalism was never a policy with broad support. Research by sociologist Katharine Betts reveals multiculturalism wasn’t even a story of ethnic agitators: it was largely trumpeted by a group of Anglo-Australian activists so small that “most of them could and did meet in one room”. Twenty years after Malcolm Fraser included multiculturalism in the Coalition platform, a poll by the Council of Multicultural Affairs found the rank-and-file supporter of multiculturalism was not the migrant but the well-educated Anglo-Australian living far way from migrant enclaves.

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In the 70s, multiculturalism was sold to the people as the tolerant, moral alternative to earlier evil policies of assimilation and integration. But assimilation and integration were not intolerant ideas. On the contrary, these policies invited migrants to Australia with the promise they, too, could become Australians and enjoy the values that made Australia the country of first choice for millions.

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The great multicultural con is that its proponents deliberately refused to define the term. They opted for feel-good ambiguity. So it meandered along meaning different things to different people. To some, it meant no more than promoting a culturally diverse society loyal to core institutions and core values. Meanwhile, a more virulent form took root, emphasising ethnic rights to be separate but equal, promoting cultural and moral relativism and identity politics where immigrants were no longer Australians, or even “new” Australians.

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Multiculturalism endorsed what Theodore Roosevelt called a hyphenated loyalty to country. SBS uses the phrase Muslim-Australians, not the other way around. That hyphenated loyalty has undermined an obligation on migrants to embrace a common set of values.

Worse, multiculturalism demanded that we tolerate the intolerant. To be sure, tolerance is a worthy goal. But it’s meaningful only when tempered with moral judgments about what is right and what is wrong. That is a debate we must all be able to be part of.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/opinion/columnists/janet-albrechtsen/multicultur...

Critique any culture/society/group you desire to Grendel - just don't be insulting to them or your critics. All you do is lower yourself continually to your schoolground level of bully-boy insults and ad hominem debate. When you face up to that and relinquish it, then we might be able to have a conversation. Roll Eyes

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Reply #101 - Feb 13^th, 2017 at 4:01pm

Grendel wrote on Feb 13^th, 2017 at 9:23am:

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Another lovely little nugget from the book is how the tactic of accusing critics and opponents of racism was established almost before multiculturalism itself as a term was. Then and since, multiculturalism has often provided examples of what might be called the motivational fallacy. In the case of multiculturalism, the fallacy works as follows: I advocate multiculturalism as a way of combating racism and prejudice, therefore, if you criticise multiculturalism you are guilty of racism and/or harbouring prejudice. This has a triple benefit as a mode of argument. It delegitimises critics and criticism, it elevates the mode of action or claim being defended and it establishes or reinforces that action or claim as a moral asset for its proponents.

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Multiculturalism was developed by a small number of academics, social workers and activists, initially located on the fringe of the political arena of immigration, settlement and welfare. The authors responsible for versions of the ideology were also principal actors in the struggle to advance their beliefs and make them government policy.

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Core groups and activists' sympathisers and contacts ... multiculturalism became government policy ... because the multiculturalists and their supporters were able to influence the ideological content of the Minister's sources of policy ... Contemporary public opinion polls implied ... in the general population, a widespread resentment, or a lack of interest, of the kinds of ideas advanced by multiculturalists. ... The original constituency for multiculturalism was small; popular opinion was an obstacle, not an asset, for the multiculturalists

When you use racist/Xenophobic/Islamophobic/etc. language you are supporting racism/Xenophobia/Islamophobia, Geoff. When you continue to fail to acknowledge the use of that language, you are showing that you are, deep at heart, a racist/Xenophobe/Islamophobe. You don't like being labelled a racist/Xenophobe/Islamophobe/etc. then stop using their language/insults/supporting their political viewpoints/etc. Simples, really. However it appears you are too foolish to get the message, no matter how often it is repeated to you as you continued to roll in the mire of the gutter with your endless ad hominem insults and schoolyard builly-boy debating tactics. Tsk, tsk. Roll Eyes

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Reply #102 - Feb 13^th, 2017 at 6:34pm

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 13^th, 2017 at 3:57pm:

Grendel wrote on Feb 13^th, 2017 at 8:49am:

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Like a virus that takes hold of host cells in the human body, multiculturalism’s self-loathing virus started invading Western societies more than 40 years ago. Like a form of cultural cancer, it has weakened our ability to defend our most fundamental values and, worse, it has meant the only culture open to critique and question is our own.

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Remember that multiculturalism was never a policy with broad support. Research by sociologist Katharine Betts reveals multiculturalism wasn’t even a story of ethnic agitators: it was largely trumpeted by a group of Anglo-Australian activists so small that “most of them could and did meet in one room”. Twenty years after Malcolm Fraser included multiculturalism in the Coalition platform, a poll by the Council of Multicultural Affairs found the rank-and-file supporter of multiculturalism was not the migrant but the well-educated Anglo-Australian living far way from migrant enclaves.

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In the 70s, multiculturalism was sold to the people as the tolerant, moral alternative to earlier evil policies of assimilation and integration. But assimilation and integration were not intolerant ideas. On the contrary, these policies invited migrants to Australia with the promise they, too, could become Australians and enjoy the values that made Australia the country of first choice for millions.

Quote:

The great multicultural con is that its proponents deliberately refused to define the term. They opted for feel-good ambiguity. So it meandered along meaning different things to different people. To some, it meant no more than promoting a culturally diverse society loyal to core institutions and core values. Meanwhile, a more virulent form took root, emphasising ethnic rights to be separate but equal, promoting cultural and moral relativism and identity politics where immigrants were no longer Australians, or even “new” Australians.

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Multiculturalism endorsed what Theodore Roosevelt called a hyphenated loyalty to country. SBS uses the phrase Muslim-Australians, not the other way around. That hyphenated loyalty has undermined an obligation on migrants to embrace a common set of values.

Worse, multiculturalism demanded that we tolerate the intolerant. To be sure, tolerance is a worthy goal. But it’s meaningful only when tempered with moral judgments about what is right and what is wrong. That is a debate we must all be able to be part of.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/opinion/columnists/janet-albrechtsen/multicultur...

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Critique any culture/society/group you desire to Grendel - just don't be insulting to them or your critics. All you do is lower yourself continually to your schoolground level of bully-boy insults and ad hominem debate. When you face up to that and relinquish it, then we might be able to have a conversation. Roll Eyes

Really bwian I think you will find your constant ad hom and flaming requires a response... perhaps you should just stop being a dishonest hypocrite...
You run from debate you hide when you lose.
Best you keep hiding behind your YAWN eh.

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Reply #103 - Feb 13^th, 2017 at 6:38pm

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 13^th, 2017 at 4:01pm:

Grendel wrote on Feb 13^th, 2017 at 9:23am:

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Another lovely little nugget from the book is how the tactic of accusing critics and opponents of racism was established almost before multiculturalism itself as a term was. Then and since, multiculturalism has often provided examples of what might be called the motivational fallacy. In the case of multiculturalism, the fallacy works as follows: I advocate multiculturalism as a way of combating racism and prejudice, therefore, if you criticise multiculturalism you are guilty of racism and/or harbouring prejudice. This has a triple benefit as a mode of argument. It delegitimises critics and criticism, it elevates the mode of action or claim being defended and it establishes or reinforces that action or claim as a moral asset for its proponents.

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Multiculturalism was developed by a small number of academics, social workers and activists, initially located on the fringe of the political arena of immigration, settlement and welfare. The authors responsible for versions of the ideology were also principal actors in the struggle to advance their beliefs and make them government policy.

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Core groups and activists' sympathisers and contacts ... multiculturalism became government policy ... because the multiculturalists and their supporters were able to influence the ideological content of the Minister's sources of policy ... Contemporary public opinion polls implied ... in the general population, a widespread resentment, or a lack of interest, of the kinds of ideas advanced by multiculturalists. ... The original constituency for multiculturalism was small; popular opinion was an obstacle, not an asset, for the multiculturalists

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When you use racist/Xenophobic/Islamophobic/etc. language you are supporting racism/Xenophobia/Islamophobia, Geoff.

But I don't bwian... you tell lies.

When you continue to fail to acknowledge the use of that language, you are showing that you are, deep at heart, a racist/Xenophobe/Islamophobe. You don't like being labelled a racist/Xenophobe/Islamophobe/etc. then stop using their language/insults/supporting their political viewpoints/etc. Simples, really.

Not as simples as you, you have yet to provide one singe example to back yourself up. Your pants must be getting very hot bwian.

However it appears you are too foolish to get the message, no matter how often it is repeated to you as you continued to roll in the mire of the gutter with your endless ad hominem insults and schoolyard builly-boy debating tactics.

I learned ad hom from you bwian, I learned how to return fire from the constant flames and abuse from you bwian. Thank you for that. Now you need to stop being a dishonest hypocrite.

Tsk, tsk.

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BigOl64 Gold Member Offline Posts: 14438 Townsville QLD Gender:	Re: Immigrants Do Not Increase Crime Reply #104 - Feb 13^th, 2017 at 6:49pm They do in Australia and europe and especially if they hate their host countrymen and women, Muslims are the worst we or europe has every had and are absolutely appalling mistake.
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