Gandalf has started not one, but two threads on racism lately:
What is racism?
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1481852426How to spinelessly apologise for racism
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1486610591Despite this, he was unable to give a clear explanation of what racism is. The latest version is that racism is when you racialise groups of people. What did become clear is that Gandalf is a racist supporter of genocide. See some of his quotes here:
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1486610591/9#9Basically, Gandalf happily insists that an entire tribe slaughtered by Muhammed were a mindless collective of traitors, with no individuality, their personality defined by the tribe they belong to. Just don't mention the fact that they were Jewish - you would only do that if you wanted to make Muslims look bad. This is why Muhammed had to kill all 800 of the tribe's men in a single day. That, and because racism was a way of gaining political power (which makes Muhammed completely different from modern racists like Hitler). Muhammed had already evicted two of the three large tribes of Jews that had originally invited him into Medina and could not trust them (tribes of Jews) to be nice and respectful to him if he evicted the third.
At this point, Gandalf retreated to nonsensical gibberish. So Aussie stepped in to defend Gandalf by insisting that Muhammed's slaughter of an entire tribe was not in fact genocide:
Aussie wrote on Feb 12
th, 2017 at 2:52pm:
freediver wrote on Feb 12
th, 2017 at 7:38am:
Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 11
th, 2017 at 5:56pm:
Aussie wrote on Feb 11
th, 2017 at 2:04pm:
freediver wrote on Feb 11
th, 2017 at 6:45am:
Aussie wrote on Feb 10
th, 2017 at 8:50pm:
Just a minor point. How is killing 800 (and that figure is very rubbery as has already been debated) 'genocide?' Isn't it self evident that it was not?
Muhammed killed every male in the tribe.
How many do you have to kill before it becomes genocide Aussie?
Every 'Jew.'
The women and children of the Banu Qurayza were sold into slavery or married to muslims.
It didn't stop there that was the first major attack by muslims.
There were initially three large Jewish tribes in Medina. Muhammed had already kicked the other two out before he slaughtered the third. It was all the Jews' fault of course. Muslims were the victims.
Aussie, are you asking me whether Muhammed wiped out the Jews 1400 years ago?
No, my question was not that. It was:
Quote:How is killing 800 (and that figure is very rubbery as has already been debated) 'genocide?' Isn't it self evident that it was not?
You didn't respond other than with a further question to which I answered with, 'Every Jew.'
As you can see, Aussie actually means that "every Jew" is an answer to the question - how many do you have to kill before it becomes genocide? In an effort to help Gandalf out, Aussie produced a definition of genocide which apparently proves that the only way for Muhammed to commit genocide was to kill every Jew on the planet:
Aussie wrote on Feb 12
th, 2017 at 3:45pm:
freediver wrote on Feb 12
th, 2017 at 3:05pm:
Ah. So the holocaust was not genocide because some got away?
In terms of my definition of 'genocide,' which is: "the deliberate and systematic
extermination of a national, racial, political, or cultural group" ~ correct.
Aussie wrote on Feb 12
th, 2017 at 4:06pm:
freediver wrote on Feb 12
th, 2017 at 4:04pm:
So it was not genocide because Muhammed did not kill every Jew on the planet?
In terms of 'my' definition, yes.
Aussie wrote on Feb 12
th, 2017 at 6:53pm:
Quote:genocide means killing every Jew.
That's what I said. Do you now agree?
Perhaps Aussie thinks that "Jew" is the only thing that counts as a "group".
Aussie wrote on Feb 12
th, 2017 at 7:16pm:
freediver wrote on Feb 12
th, 2017 at 6:55pm:
So this:
Quote:a national, racial, political, or cultural group
Can only possibly be interpreted to mean "every Jew"?
Don't try to disconnect what I so obviously said. Members here have been asked not to do that. You left out half of what I posted which was:
Quote:"the deliberate and systematic extermination of a national, racial, political, or cultural group"
Exterminate means all of that group. Do you know the difference between the meaning of a massacre and genocide?
What is the point of this discussion other than to demonstrate you were trying to talk up something which was (if it even happened 1300 years ago) a massacre as being genocide, because
that is what you do so often and so patently.
It is pathetic and exposes yet again your willingness to exaggerate
anything in the cause of a good old Muslim bash.
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