Sabra and Shatila massacre

The Sabra and Shatila massacre was the killing of between 762 and 3,500 civilians, mostly Palestinians and Lebanese Shiites, by a militia close to the Kataeb Party, also called Phalange, a predominantly Christian Lebanese right-wing party in the Sabra neighborhood and the adjacent Shatila refugee camp in Beirut, Lebanon. From approximately 18:00 on 16 September to 08:00 on 18 September 1982, a widespread massacre was carried out by the militia virtually under the eyes of their Israeli allies.[4][5][6][7]

The Phalanges, allies to the Israeli Defence Forces (IDF), were ordered by the IDF to clear out Sabra and Shatila from Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) fighters, as part of the IDF maneuvering into West Beirut. The IDF received reports of some of the Phalanges atrocities in Sabra and Shatila but failed to stop them.[8]

The massacre was presented as retaliation for the assassination of newly elected Lebanese president Bachir Gemayel, the leader of the Lebanese Kataeb Party. It was wrongly assumed that Palestinian militants had carried out the assassination. In June 1982, the Israel Defense Forces had invaded Lebanon with the intention of rooting out the PLO. By mid-1982, under the supervision of the Multinational Force, the PLO withdrew from Lebanon following weeks of battles in West Beirut and shortly before the massacre took place.

Various forces — Israeli, Phalangists and possibly also the South Lebanon Army (SLA) — were in the vicinity of Sabra and Shatila at the time of the slaughter, taking advantage of the fact that the Multinational Force had removed barracks and mines that had encircled Beirut's predominantly Muslim neighborhoods and kept the Israelis at bay during the Beirut siege.[9] The Israeli advance over West Beirut in the wake of the PLO withdrawal, which enabled the Phalangist raid, was considered a violation of the ceasefire agreement between the various forces.[10] The Israeli Army surrounded Sabra and Shatila and stationed troops at the exits of the area to prevent camp residents from leaving and, at the Phalangists' request,[11] fired illuminating flares at night.[12][13]

According to Alain Menargues, the direct perpetrators of the killings were the "Young Men", a gang recruited by Elie Hobeika, a prominent figure in the Phalanges, the Lebanese Forces intelligence chief and liaison officer with Mossad, from men who had been expelled from the Lebanese Forces for insubordination or criminal activities.[14] The killings are widely believed to have taken place under Hobeika's direct orders. Hobeika's family and fiancée had been murdered by Palestinian militiamen, and their Lebanese allies, at the Damour massacre of 1976,[15][16] itself a response to the 1976 Karantina massacre of Palestinians and Lebanese Muslims at the hands of Christian militants. Hobeika later became a long-serving Member of the Parliament of Lebanon and served in several ministerial roles.[17] Other Phalangist commanders involved were Joseph Edde from South Lebanon, Dib Anasta, head of the Phalangist Military Police, Michael Zouein, and Maroun Mischalani from East Beirut. In all 300–400 militiamen were involved, including some from Sa'ad Haddad's South Lebanon Army.[18]

In 1983, a commission chaired by Seán MacBride, the assistant to the UN Secretary General and President of United Nations General Assembly at the time, concluded that Israel, as the camp's occupying power, bore responsibility for the violence.[19] The commission also concluded that the massacre was a form of genocide.[20]

In 1983, the Israeli Kahan Commission, appointed to investigate the incident, found that Israeli military personnel, aware that a massacre was in progress, had failed to take serious steps to stop it. The commission deemed Israel indirectly responsible, and Ariel Sharon, then Defense Minister, bore personal responsibility "for ignoring the danger of bloodshed and revenge", forcing him to resign.[21]
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The Shabra Shatila massacre was an act of genocide fomented by Israel.

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Karnal wrote on Feb 13^th, 2017 at 11:56pm:


Classic propaganda? Classic fantasy? Classic fake news? or all three?

Aussie wrote on Feb 13^th, 2017 at 7:56pm:


You did not say you don't know. You were very sure about the treacherous assholes bit. Do you always make up excuses for Islamic genocide at the same time as insisting you do not know if it even happened? How can you be so sure that if Muhammed murdered all those people, then all 800 of them were treacherous assholes?

There is enough there to convince both most Muslims and most historians. You said that if the fable is true, that is how it happened. But the only justification Muhammed needed to slaughter all those people was an angel telling him to. Apparently Muhammed was planning on taking a bath.

All of Gandalf's racist propaganda about mindless collectives, no individuality, personality defined by your tribe, lessons learned from allowing other tribes of Jews to live etc, are all more recent additions by Muslims who have finally realised that the story needs more spin. Chances are some of them are Gandalf's own personal fabrications, before he decided to go with "it's all another Jewish conspiracy."

What do you think of Gandalf's excuses?

If the fable is true, Mo massacred a bunch a treacherous arseholes

Which particular fable?  You are pretty good at creating the modern version.

You asked about my definition of genocide.  If it was to be a genocide of Jews, it is implicit to my definition that means all the Jews.

Why have you not answered my question about the slaughter of Methodist Lawyers?

As far as I am concerned the whole of that definition means every Jew not a small group of Jews.

given the definition I have adopted,  Mo did not commit genocide of Jews in that fable

If the fable is true, Mo massacred a bunch a treacherous arseholes