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Re: Muhammed committed genocide
Reply #75 - Feb 15^th, 2017 at 1:58pm

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What crowd was it whom you reckon Mo committed genocide upon, Effende? Were they a mob of Methodists, Baptists, Hindus etc etc etc ~ or Jews?

The Banu Qurayza. I never claimed he exterminated all Jews.

Whoa there bucko! You were attacking me because of my reference to Jews. Now you have been reminded that Jews were

the essence of your OP

, you are running away from that attack.

And, a question by popular request, Effende ~ does the cat have your tongue.

It seems there is a question, or zilliions of them, you have not answered.

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Reply #76 - Feb 15^th, 2017 at 2:01pm

Aussie you still have not explained how you got from "a national, racial, political, or cultural group" to "every Jew". Are you now saying I tricked you into it?

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Whoa there bucko! You were attacking me because of my reference to Jews.

I am "attacking" you because you made the incredibly stupid claim that Muhammed did not commit genocide because he did not kill every jew on the planet.

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Now you have been reminded that Jews were the essence of your OP, you are running away from that attack.

No they weren't. They were my essence of my criticism of Gandalf for insisting that if you refrain from mentioning that they were Jews, people won't notice that you are spewing racist propaganda to justify genocide.

The "essence" of my OP is that Muhammed committed genocide that you you are deliberately misrepresenting your own definition of genocide in order to protect Muhammed from this charge. I have patiently explained this to you dozens of times already. It is not my fault if you only just realised.

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Reply #77 - Feb 15^th, 2017 at 2:13pm

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I am "attacking" you because you made the incredibly stupid claim that Muhammed did not commit genocide because he did not kill every jew on the planet.

That is the sort of stuff I'd expect from Grendel. 'Every Jew on the Planet.' 1300 years ago, there was a concentration of 'civilisation' in a small part of Arabia and eastern Europe. There were no Jews in the Americas, none in Australia etc etc etc. There were Jewish Tribes in a concentrated area in which Mo also happened to exist.

It seems he massacred a mob who were Jewish, he did not exterminate every Jew in that concentrated area....hence, my sole point Effende, which is that 'Muhammed

did not

commit genocide' as your Thread Title asserted.

To remind you of those two questions raised by popular request:

1. Why do you have to make stuff up to try to prove this ~ being the Thread Title?

2. Has the cat got your tongue?

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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 74862 Gender:	Re: Muhammed committed genocide Reply #78 - Feb 15^th, 2017 at 2:23pm Aussie wrote on Feb 15^th, 2017 at 2:13pm: 2. Has the cat got your tongue? no, FD's tongue is safely locked away where the cat can't get it. As soon as a question is asked the time locks automatically kick in.
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Reply #79 - Feb 15^th, 2017 at 2:37pm

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That is the sort of stuff I'd expect from Grendel. 'Every Jew on the Planet.' 1300 years ago, there was a concentration of 'civilisation' in a small part of Arabia and eastern Europe.

You have no clue at all Aussie. By then, civilisation in China had pretty much caught up to Western civilisation. Western civlisation had been centred in North Africa for millenia, and the centre was briefly brought into western Europe by the Romans.

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It seems he massacred a mob who were Jewish, he did not exterminate every Jew in that concentrated area....hence, my sole point Effende, which is that 'Muhammed did not commit genocide' as your Thread Title asserted.

There you go again, saying incredibly stupid things. Do you still blame me for you saying this? How did you get from "a national, racial, political, or cultural group" to "every Jew".

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Reply #80 - Feb 15^th, 2017 at 2:42pm

freediver wrote on Feb 15^th, 2017 at 2:37pm:

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That is the sort of stuff I'd expect from Grendel. 'Every Jew on the Planet.' 1300 years ago, there was a concentration of 'civilisation' in a small part of Arabia and eastern Europe.

You have no clue at all Aussie. By then, civilisation in China had pretty much caught up to Western civilisation. Western civlisation had been centred in North Africa for millenia, and the centre was briefly brought into western Europe by the Romans.

And where were the Jews concentrated, Effende? China?

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It seems he massacred a mob who were Jewish, he did not exterminate every Jew in that concentrated area....hence, my sole point Effende, which is that 'Muhammed did not commit genocide' as your Thread Title asserted.

There you go again, saying incredibly stupid things. Do you still blame me for you saying this? How did you get from "a national, racial, political, or cultural group" to "every Jew".

You have asked that question many times and it has been answered every time. The answer will not change no matter how many times you ask, Effende.

To remind you of those just two questions recently raised by popular request:

1. Why do you have to make stuff up to try to prove this ~ being the Thread Title?

2. Has the cat got your tongue?

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Re: Muhammed committed genocide
Reply #82 - Feb 15^th, 2017 at 3:34pm

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And where were the Jews concentrated, Effende? China?

Certainly not in Medina, where this genocide took place. They only turned up there after the Jewish-Roman wars. Is this relevant to your argument that Muhammed did not commit genocide because he did not kill every Jew on the planet?

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You have asked that question many times and it has been answered every time.

You have dodged it every time by first insisting you did not make the leap of logic at all (something to do with extermination) and then trying to credit it to me somehow.

Let's try again Aussie. Try for a straight answer this time. How did you get from "a national, racial, political, or cultural group" to "every Jew".

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Reply #83 - Feb 15^th, 2017 at 3:46pm

freediver wrote on Feb 15^th, 2017 at 3:34pm:

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You have asked that question many times and it has been answered every time.

You have dodged it every time by first insisting you did not make the leap of logic at all (something to do with extermination) and then trying to credit it to me somehow.

Let's try again Aussie. Try for a straight answer this time. How did you get from "a national, racial, political, or cultural group" to "every Jew".

Let's give you the answer, yet again, Effendi. How ~ From the definition I adopted and the manner in which I interpret it, according to the question you posed to me.

'Exterminate' in the context of this discussion and my definition means the slaughter every Jew. (Remember? You asked, and I responded.) I.e., genocide. To slaughter a Tribe of people (for reasons not associated with their faith.......and, by happenstance, they were Jews) but for alleged political reasons, is a massacre.

Your Thread Title is false. Massacre, yes (if it happened at all) ~

genocide

, self evidently,

no

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Reply #84 - Feb 15^th, 2017 at 3:49pm

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'Exterminate' in the context of this discussion and my definition means the slaughter every Jew. (Remember? You asked, and I responded.) I.e., genocide. To slaughter a Tribe of people (for reasons not associated with their faith.......and, by happenstance, they were Jews) but for alleged political reasons, is a massacre.

Your definition says that slaughtering a political group is genocide. Did you read your definition Aussie?

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freediver wrote on Feb 12^th, 2017 at 3:05pm:

Ah. So the holocaust was not genocide because some got away?

In terms of my definition of 'genocide,' which is: "the deliberate and systematic extermination of a national, racial, political, or cultural group" ~ correct.

Why does it mean the slaughter of every Jew in this context Aussie? Simply repeating that this is what you think it means is not the same as explaining why you think that, no matter how much drivel and arm-waving you squeeze in to the sentence.

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Reply #85 - Feb 15^th, 2017 at 3:57pm

freediver wrote on Feb 15^th, 2017 at 3:49pm:

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'Exterminate' in the context of this discussion and my definition means the slaughter every Jew. (Remember? You asked, and I responded.) I.e., genocide. To slaughter a Tribe of people (for reasons not associated with their faith.......and, by happenstance, they were Jews) but for alleged political reasons, is a massacre.

Your definition says that slaughtering a political group is genocide. Did you read your definition Aussie?

Aussie wrote on Feb 12^th, 2017 at 3:45pm:

freediver wrote on Feb 12^th, 2017 at 3:05pm:

Ah. So the holocaust was not genocide because some got away?

In terms of my definition of 'genocide,' which is: "the deliberate and systematic extermination of a national, racial, political, or cultural group" ~ correct.

Why does it mean the slaughter of every Jew in this context Aussie? Simply repeating that this is what you think it means is not the same as explaining why you think that, no matter how much drivel and arm-waving you squeeze in to the sentence.

Because, Effendi, (in this context,) of my definition of genocide, and the way I interpret it....when asked by you, I agreed...genocide meant extermination of every Jew.

No matter how many times you ask the same question in as many different ways as you like Effendi, you'll get the same answer.

Before the end of the day, will we get answers to these questions posed by popular demand?

1. Why do you have to make stuff up to try to prove this ~ being the Thread Title?

2. Has the cat got your tongue?

I'll add one of my own:

I know you have read my PM concerning the lies of AiA. But you have not been kind enough to give me the courtesy of an answer....yet again.

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Reply #87 - Feb 15^th, 2017 at 4:42pm

freediver wrote on Feb 15^th, 2017 at 4:38pm:

So you think your definition of genocide can only mean extermination of all Jews in this context because that is what you think?

Is that the limit of your ability to comprehend yourself Aussie?

Yes ~ to both questions. Would you rather I answer them in terms of what someone else thinks.......like yourself for example, Effendi?

(See how easy it is.....to answer a question, straight up Effendi?)

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Reply #88 - Feb 15^th, 2017 at 4:54pm

I would prefer you to have a think about it and come up with a stance that you can actually explain, rather than merely parroting. Also, it is a lie to insist you have explained why you think what you think when all you have demonstrated is your inability to explain how you made that mental leap.

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'Exterminate' in the context of this discussion and my definition means the slaughter every Jew. (Remember? You asked, and I responded.) I.e., genocide. To slaughter a Tribe of people (for reasons not associated with their faith.......and, by happenstance, they were Jews) but for alleged political reasons, is a massacre.

Your definition says that slaughtering a political group is genocide. It also says nothing at all about motivation for genocide. Did you read your own definition Aussie?

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Reply #89 - Feb 15^th, 2017 at 4:56pm

Aussie wrote on Feb 15^th, 2017 at 1:22pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Feb 15^th, 2017 at 1:16pm:

Aussie wrote on Feb 15^th, 2017 at 12:51pm:

(a) The word exterminate.

(b) You asked if I meant every Jew, and I replied in the affirmative. That is what that definition means so far as I am concerned.

Genocide is not of a small section of a group. That is a massacre. Genocide is extermination of the entire group, in this case.....Jews.

Why don't you settle for 'massacre?'

PS ~ Read your PM. I wish to know what the ferk AiA is openly blathering about. Vic advised me to ask you.

Not necessarily, abos claim genocide all the time, there are more now that there ever was.

I'm surprised that analogy was not raised earlier. I was expecting it.

There was no genocide of Australian aboriginals. That is self evident. There were many massacres.

And yet no-one corrects them whenever that make that mistake and they do it a lot.

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